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1. 12:52 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James, Clive R)
2. 01:46 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Kayberg@aol.com)
3. 03:03 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James, Clive R)
4. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
6. 08:23 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 (Jay Schmitt)
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| Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Dave there are lots of similarities and there is no Esqual group, Esqual
owners are all on here.
The guys at Arion know the Esqual inside out and have great knowledge
for all Esqual owners.
Several improvements in my aircraft have been through information from
the guys at Arion.
The changes they incorporated into the Lightning were based on
shortcomings of the Esqual.
Parallels will always exists between the two aircraft because of many
things.
The fact that the weak point on the central beam in one Esqual suggests
that that could be the weak point in the design (there is always one)
and therefore would be a good place to check the lightning in the event
of a heavy landing or many landing and high hours, regardless of what
it's made of or how it's welded.
Where you put it is just right as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks, Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: 15 March 2010 23:34
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals,
NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
guess yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for
the Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the
> parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in
> England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be
> good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate.
> The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy
> wall and seems very solid.
> Regards, Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> --> <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
>
> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> particularly silly move to me.
>
> On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is
> steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from
> our machines.
>
> --------
> Cheers, Selwyn
> Kit 66
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals,
NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for
the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small
tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I believe it
was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From a
design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and deform
long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way
in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
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| Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage
of the parts.
Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a
real bitch to drill.
I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
deformation.
Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Kayberg@aol.com
Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
Esquals, NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
landings? I guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it
out for the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From
a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and
deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
happen that way in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
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| Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Mine also is not stainless, I think I will plate mine to strengthen it some.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
>
> 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
> I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
> bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage
> of the parts.
> Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a
> real bitch to drill.
> I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
> deformation.
>
> Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Kayberg@aol.com
> Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky@hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
> Esquals, NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
> landings? I guess
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it
> out for the
> Lightning group, two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
>
>
> We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
> small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
> believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
>
> Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From
> a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and
> deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
> happen that way in the Esqual.
>
> FWIW
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Doug
I usually get into trouble when I start thinking, but
it make me wonder, it this caused from landings or from shimmy
Dave McCorquodale
----- Original Message -----
From: Kayberg@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
Esquals, NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out
for the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend.
>From a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend
and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
happen that way in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
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| Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 |
Hi=2C This is Jay Schmitt in Tijeras=2C New Mexico. I own Esqual N117D
A. My seat is out right now and my center section is beautiful. This is a
2004 completion. I haven't had any trouble with my rudder pedals either.
I just put on the 6 ply tires=2C and new brakes. I'll report on my gear s
himmy soon. Good luck and clear skies to all. I hope to fly over to see G
reg Hobbs in the next month or two. I love his canopy lock=3B I plan to c
opy it..................Jay
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> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10
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> 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
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> From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C
NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gues
s
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for
the
> Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> > <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> >
> > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the part
s
> > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England bot
h
> > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetratio
n
> > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. Th
e
> > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall an
d
> > seems very solid.
> > Regards=2C Clive
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> > To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> > --> <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
> >
> > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> > particularly silly move to me.
> >
> > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
> > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from ou
r
> > machines.
> >
> > --------
> > Cheers=2C Selwyn
> > Kit 66
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
> >
> >
> >
>
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