Lightning-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/01/10


Total Messages Posted: 13



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 10:25 AM - Re: Nose wheel shimmy (FamilyGage@aol.com)
     2. 10:56 AM - Re: Nose wheel shimmy (Mefford, Walt)
     3. 01:24 PM - Re: Nose wheel shimmy (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
     4. 01:39 PM - Re: Nose wheel shimmy (FamilyGage@AOL.COM)
     5. 01:41 PM - Re: Nose wheel shimmy (Mefford, Walt)
     6. 02:27 PM - Lightning Newsletter for June 2010 (N1BZRich@aol.com)
     7. 02:44 PM - Lightning Gear shimmy (flylightning)
     8. 04:11 PM - Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe (James, Clive R)
     9. 04:53 PM - Re: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010 (Maxim Voronin)
    10. 05:08 PM - Re: Lightning Gear shimmy (Bill Strahan)
    11. 05:42 PM - Re: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe (Dave)
    12. 11:01 PM - Official Lightning-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    13. 11:08 PM - Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:25:36 AM PST US
    From: FamilyGage@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
    Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:56:53 AM PST US
    From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford@garmin.com>
    Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
    I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was able to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FamilyGage@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz [cid:image001.jpg@01CB0177.3D778490] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation.


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:24:30 PM PST US
    From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
    Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot too hard. My 2 cents worth. Bernardo n45bm --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford@garmin.com> wrote: From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford@garmin.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI had/have a similar problem .- I initially tightened the=0Abolts on the block and reduced the tire pr essure to about 25lbs.- The=0Ashimmy got significantly worse.- After lo osening the bolts and leaving the=0Atire pressure unchanged, the shimming w as much less but still noticeable.-=0AHowever, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose.- I then placed=0Ashims (barrowed an empty b eer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks=0Auntil I was able to m ove the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten=0Athe bolts.- I hope to give this a try this weekend. =0A=0A - =0A=0AWalt M. =0A=0AN881W P =0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server@matronic s.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fam ilyGage@aol.com =0ASent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM =0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A=0ABuz: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks, I plan to use your suggestion to day. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMy Best, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARay Gage =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. E astern Daylight Time,=0AN1BZRich@aol.com writes: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe ference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy.- Scroll on=0Adown below t he message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=0AN1BZRich@AOL.COM writes: =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----If you suspect a nose whee l shimmy, there=0Amight be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that ho ld the nylon blocks=0Atogether around the nose gear leg.- Sometimes, that is all it takes.-=0A-If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit=0Aso that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit=0Atogether.- By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on=0Athe nose gear leg.-- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A----To-check the nose wheel for proper=0Amovement, have someon e raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail.-=0AYou should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should=0Aresist - not be t oo easy to move from side to side.- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----If y ou suspect a nose wheel shimmy=0A(I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned=0Aabove and see how easy it is to mov e by hand.- Tighten it some, by the first=0Amethod mentioned above, and t hen recheck to-see-if it is now harder=0Ato move.- Then test fly to s ee if you have a fix.- If not, then=0Adissemble the nose wheel and sand s ome off the nylon blocks where they fit=0Atogether as mentioned above.- - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHope this helps. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz---- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------=0AThis e -mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole us e of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail o r any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies.=0A-=0AThank you for your cooperation.=0A


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:39:28 PM PST US
    From: FamilyGage@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
    Thanks Walt: Will attempt the fix from Buz tomorrow and see what his ideas may improve the situation. I will post should I have any luck. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 6/1/2010 1:57:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford@garmin.com writes: I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was able to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend.


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:41:31 PM PST US
    From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford@garmin.com>
    Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
    I agree. This a very complex problem. Tire type, tire pressure, flexing o f the fuselage, length of the landing gear and many other factors can contr ibute such as the runway surface and the friction between the tire. The fa ctors can be different even for the same make and model of aircraft and one solution may not work for all. A difficult problem even today with commer cial aircraft. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot too hard. My 2 cents worth. Bernardo n45bm --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford@garmin.com> wrote: From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford@garmin.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantl y worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged , the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was abl e to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FamilyGage@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@ aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@ AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose ge ar leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very smal l amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nos e wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose w heel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is t o move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if y ou have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz [cid:image001.jpg@01CB018F.84E9B150] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, p lease be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e- mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in e rror, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation.


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:27:24 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010
    All, The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at least two of the three websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not heard anything from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter than the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue even though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am sure it soon will be. _http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/) _http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/) _http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing style and his photos. Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1 transition syllabus. Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle when requesting feedback this month. Therefore, if you don't send a comment on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof. Think that will work????? Hope so. Blue Skies and happy flying, Buz Rich


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:44:49 PM PST US
    From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
    Subject: Lightning Gear shimmy
    This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard gear and found much better results. It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear. Nick Otterback


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:11:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the plane loaded with wings and fuel and people. So my question is, what is the recommended Toe? I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't shimmy. I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with the plane it checked out straight. I was minded to do the same again. What say Ye Lightning gear users? Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope) Esqual in the UK -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41 Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard gear and found much better results. It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear. Nick Otterback


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:53:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010
    From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax@gmail.com>
    Great Newsletter, Buz! On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, <N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote: > All, > The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at > leasttwo ofthe threewebsites that carry our newsletters.Both Ryan of > Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not > heard anythingfrom the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or > not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter than > the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue even > though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am sure it > soon will be. > > http://www.greenlandings.com/ > > http://www.jimslightning.com/ > > http://www.flylightning.net/ > > Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as > coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with > many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and > Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing > style and his photos. > > Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers, > someother reader feedback,tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety > article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1 > transition syllabus. > > Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you > for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always > pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle > when requesting feedback this month. Therefore,if you don't send a comment > on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof. > Think that will work????? Hope so. > Blue Skies and happy flying, > Buz Rich > >


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:08:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy
    From: "Bill Strahan" <bill@gdsx.com>
    So it sounds safe to assume that any shimmy is coming from the main gear. If that is the case, do you think it is an imbalance in the tires matching the natural frequency of the main gear? If so, then balancing the tires should prevent it. Have you noticed it manifesting differently, if at all, on the new style gear? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299655#299655


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:42:45 PM PST US
    From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
    Subject: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe
    have someone video the shimmy, you might find it not to be in the nose wheel, maybe it is some where else, like in the mains. My shimmy is now gone, you have my specs as to what I did and it worked, the nose wheel needs to be "tight", but I have not adjusted mine in 4 years. Remember -I made the nose wheel suspension that did not help, you need video to watch the mains. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe > <clive.james@uk.bp.com> > > Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set > the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the > plane loaded with wings and fuel and people. > > So my question is, what is the recommended Toe? > > I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't > shimmy. > I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with > the plane it checked out straight. > I was minded to do the same again. > > What say Ye Lightning gear users? > > Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope) > Esqual in the UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > flylightning > Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy > > This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I > would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the > proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but > pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had > demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire > inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely > eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires > worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the > name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied > earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard > gear and found much better results. > > It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot > point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to > put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it > to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like > the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to > the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence > the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there > for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right > the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft > moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from > shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as > the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was > the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You > can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot > point true and free from wear. > > > Nick Otterback > > >


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:01:35 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Lightning-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Lightning-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Lightning-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Lightning-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Lightning-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Lightning-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Lightning-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post until you receive the second conformation email message. ***************************** *** How to Post a Message *** ***************************** Send an email message to: lightning-list@matronics.com Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed to the List. ***************************************************** *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post *** ***************************************************** When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor. If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that gets posted to the Lists. Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "lightning-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Lightning-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Lightning-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/lightning-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Lightning-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Lightning-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Lightning-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Lightning-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Lightning-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Lightning-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Lightning-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Lightning-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Lightning-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Lightning-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Lightning-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Lightning ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Lightning-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Lightning-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Lightning-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Lightning-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Lightning-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:08:21 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Lightning-List Usage Guidelines
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Lightning-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Lightning-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Lightning-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Lightning-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Lightning-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Lightning-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Lightning-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Lightning-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   lightning-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list
  • Browse Lightning-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --