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1. 07:28 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 (Jay Schmitt)
2. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 (Dave)
3. 07:44 AM - OSH update, Friday, 23 July (N1BZRich@aol.com)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich@aol.com)
5. 09:30 AM - Re: OSH update, Friday, 23 July (Rick Discher)
6. 11:18 AM - Re: airbox (Dave)
7. 04:50 PM - Re: airbox (Peter Disher)
8. 05:15 PM - Re: airbox (Dave)
9. 06:04 PM - Re: OSH update, Friday, 23 July (N1BZRich@aol.com)
10. 06:22 PM - Friday night update from OSH (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
11. 06:42 PM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 |
Hi Dave=2C Yes=2C What Buz said. Send pictures!! Calm winds..........
........Jay Esqual 117DA
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Jul 2010 23:56:54 -0700
> From: lightning-list@matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
>
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> 1. 05:38 AM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
> 2. 06:07 AM - Re: airbox (James=2C Clive R)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 4. 10:09 AM - Re: FW: lightning for sale (Richard Zgol)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 6. 02:53 PM - Oshkosh weather (James=2C Clive R)
> 7. 07:32 PM - Thursday evening (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Time: 05:38:40 AM PST US
> From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> Dave=2C
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words for
> the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into the airb
ox
> and having the air filter that close to the back of the airbox just had t
o
> be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think you are onto
> something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky@hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did al
l
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went
> up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter that
> would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up again and had w
ot
> of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
> had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C not willing to give u
p
> rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15 b
elow
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited about th
is
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Time: 06:07:20 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
>
> Sounds a good step forward Dave=2C I had an uneven WOT running with my
> Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after so
> didn't do much experimentation.
> Be good to see the pictures.
>
> I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
> supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
> scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow=2C I
> don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
> back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas=2C maybe something about
> the main jet...
>
> I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2=2C hoping ignorance is
> bliss.
>
> Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH=2C amazing to a Brit where the anal
> approach to airfield control is legendary=2C we were in the overhead at 3
K
> taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage=2C 'sure
> call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they were
> temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
>
> We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back=2C Then to
> the show in the car :-(
>
> Regards=2C Clive (+Shirl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did al
l
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up agai
n
> and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> cowl to air box and had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C n
ot
> willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
> this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited
> about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Time: 07:52:08 AM PST US
> From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Wife and I are hoping to set out this Sunday in the coach=2C hope to see
you
> there
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Thursday=2C July 22=2C 2010 8:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> > <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> >
> > Sounds a good step forward Dave=2C I had an uneven WOT running with my
> > Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go after s
o
> > didn't do much experimentation.
> > Be good to see the pictures.
> >
> > I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter box(Arion
> > supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new Naca
> > scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow=2C I
> > don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read some
> > back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas=2C maybe something abo
ut
> > the main jet...
> >
> > I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2=2C hoping ignorance is
> > bliss.
> >
> > Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH=2C amazing to a Brit where the anal
> > approach to airfield control is legendary=2C we were in the overhead at
3K
> > taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage=2C 'sur
e
> > call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they wer
e
> > temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his 'Gaitor'!
> >
> > We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> > Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back=2C Then
to
> > the show in the car :-(
> >
> > Regards=2C Clive (+Shirl)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> > To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> > Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> > testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at
2 pm
> > went up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filte
r
> > that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up ag
ain
> > and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> > cowl to air box and had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C
not
> > willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing
> > this to be a hit or miss.
> > what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> > below cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited
> > about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> > To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> >>
> >> test message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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>
>
> Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US
> From: Richard Zgol <richard.zgol@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale
>
> Walt=2C=0A=0AJust got this jibberish from your email.=C2- =0A=0
AWhat do you
> have for sale?=0A=0Amy email is richard.zgol@yahoo.com=0A=0Aricha
rd zgol
> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Walt
Mendenhall <me
> ndw@onlinemac.com>=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu=2C
July 15=2C
> 2010 4:52:51 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale=0A
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> =C2=ADTKO=C3=9B@=C2=BE=C3=BBW|=C3=A5=C3=90=9C
=EF=BD=EF=BD=C2
> U+=C2=AB=C2=A5=9EG$=C2(q=C2=A8=C2jl=C3=B1=C2=B6
=C3=9E=C3=9Dhw
> =EF=BD=C3=88=C3=C2=BE=C2=B36=B0=0A=0A=0A
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
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>
>
> Time: 01:05:19 PM PST US
> From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> I made up the filter spacer thinking no one would see it=2C don"t look at
> the hole spacing.
> Didn"t get a chance to epoxy in the center plate -that I think is the
> egt cure of the decade=2C giving smoother air into carb and in turn havin
g
> egts closer together
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N1BZRich@aol.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday=2C July 22=2C 2010 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Dave=2C
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words
> for the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into
> the airbox and having the air filter that close to the back of the
> airbox just had to be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think
> you are onto something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky@hbci.com writes:
>
> Hope not to bore all=2C but thought this info should be passed on. Did
> all
> testing within a 2 hour time period=2C same temp=2C same altitudes. at 2
> pm went
> up and had wot of 3110=2C installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall=2C went up again and
> had wot of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
> box and
> had wot of 3230=2C but had egts of 1420 and 1160=2C not willing to give
> up rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
> miss.
> what a hit=2C egt at wot within 10=2C at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them=2C I am still excited about
> this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 21=2C 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Time: 02:53:18 PM PST US
> Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh weather
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> Been watching the radar as was wondering if we were getting any rain in
> Northern Mitchigan=2C managed a day out flying adding another 4 airfields
> to my logbook though. Makinac Island is a strange place=2C a real tourist
y
> place with overpriced everything=2C floods of toursits off every ferry=2C
> however peace and tranquility as soon as you get out of town. The
> airfield is fantastic but that's speaking as a Brit as most of the US
> airfields are a world apart from what I'm used to. 1/2 walk from town.
> They have a Fort though=2C built by the British!
>
> >From the Radar OSH looks to have had a bucket full of rain and some=2C
> just stopped now after several hours. Hopefully Buz's head is still
> above water! Heard a few planes on the radio heading that way diverting
> to delay their trips. Last night two Challenger UL Amphibians came into
> St Ignace for fuel on their way to OSH. The guys were from Canada and
> crusing at 60 mph=2C there's dedication for you. They won't be there yet
> though=2C mainly cause of the rain.
>
> Just trying to figure where to head for tomorrow so I can get back to
> Appleton Saturday avoiding the weather both days......
>
> Regards=2C Clive
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:32:17 PM PST US
> From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Thursday evening
>
> More rain today - lots of more rain. Started raining about 7 AM and
> didn't stop until about 4 PM. Many flooded roads in the camping area and
lots
>
> of tents sitting in about six inches of water. Some trailers and motor
> homes up to their axles in mud. Aircraft parking areas are once again
> unusable/closed. The Lightning booth looks OK and some display aircraft
=2C as well
>
> as other show planes arrived late yesterday but are parked on hard surfac
es=2C
> either on aero shell square or on the north side at one of the two FBOs -
> either Basler or Orion. Also some flooded roads down town this evening
> when we went dinner. Hope the weather allows the Lightning and Jab guys t
o
> make it to OSH tomorrow. Last forecast I saw called for a 40 percent chan
ce
> of rain tomorrow. We need at least two days for things to really dry out.
> Other than the grass aircraft parking areas=2C everything else seems to b
e
> going together for the show to start on time.
> Hope to see many of you here.
> Bring your snorkel.
> Buz
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10 |
I sent photos, check my last post,, Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Schmitt
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
Hi Dave, Yes, What Buz said. Send pictures!! Calm
winds..................Jay Esqual 117DA
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:56:54 -0700
> From: lightning-list@matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/22/10
>
> *
>
>
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>
>
> Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
version
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editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:38 AM - Re: airbox (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
> 2. 06:07 AM - Re: airbox (James, Clive R)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 4. 10:09 AM - Re: FW: lightning for sale (Richard Zgol)
> 5. 01:05 PM - Re: airbox (Dave)
> 6. 02:53 PM - Oshkosh weather (James, Clive R)
> 7. 07:32 PM - Thursday evening (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:38:40 AM PST US
> From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> Dave,
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words for
> the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into the
airbox
> and having the air filter that close to the back of the airbox just
had to
> be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I think you are onto
> something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky@hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went
> up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
that
> would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot
> of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
> had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
up
> rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about
this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305887#305887
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:07:20 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
>
> Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with my
> Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go
after so
> didn't do much experimentation.
> Be good to see the pictures.
>
> I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter
box(Arion
> supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new
Naca
> scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow, I
> don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read
some
> back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something
about
> the main jet...
>
> I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance is
> bliss.
>
> Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the anal
> approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead
at 3K
> taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage,
'sure
> call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where they
were
> temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his
'Gaitor'!
>
> We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back, Then
to
> the show in the car :-(
>
> Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
pm
> went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air
filter
> that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up
again
> and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from
> cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160,
not
> willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box
knowing
> this to be a hit or miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited
> about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> >
> > test message
> >
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>
> Time: 07:52:08 AM PST US
> From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Wife and I are hoping to set out this Sunday in the coach, hope to
see you
> there
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> > <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
> >
> > Sounds a good step forward Dave, I had an uneven WOT running with
my
> > Esqual when I flew it last but had a bigger complications to go
after so
> > didn't do much experimentation.
> > Be good to see the pictures.
> >
> > I have installed a smooth rubber elbow between the airfilter
box(Arion
> > supply) and the carby while it was back in the workshop and a new
Naca
> > scoop inlet to the airfilter box. Hoping that will smooth airflow,
I
> > don't think it will cure the WOT running though and intend to read
some
> > back posts of the Jab engines on Yahoo for ideas, maybe something
about
> > the main jet...
> >
> > I don't have the benefit of 6 egt's.....just 2, hoping ignorance
is
> > bliss.
> >
> > Great to meet Buz yesterday at OSH, amazing to a Brit where the
anal
> > approach to airfield control is legendary, we were in the overhead
at 3K
> > taking some pics and I asked if we could land and go to Vintage,
'sure
> > call final on 27' and we were down and being directed to where
they were
> > temporarily parking up the old fellas. Buz roared up is his
'Gaitor'!
> >
> > We've headed North and are at St Ignace for a few days (opposite
> > Mackinac) before we head back to Appleton to give the 172 back,
Then to
> > the show in the car :-(
> >
> > Regards, Clive (+Shirl)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
> > Sent: 22 July 2010 04:58
> > To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
> > Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on.
Did all
> > testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at
2 pm
> > went up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air
filter
> > that would keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up
again
> > and had wot of 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube
from
> > cowl to air box and had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and
1160, not
> > willing to give up rpms installed a plate in outlet of air box
knowing
> > this to be a hit or miss.
> > what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within
15
> > below cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still
excited
> > about this Dave McC Esqual 060
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> > To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
> >
> >
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> Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US
> From: Richard Zgol <richard.zgol@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for sale
>
> Walt,=0A=0AJust got this jibberish from your email.=C2-
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> have for sale?=0A=0Amy email is
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> 2010 4:52:51 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: FW: lightning for
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>
> Time: 01:05:19 PM PST US
> From: "Dave" <corky@hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
> I made up the filter spacer thinking no one would see it, don"t look
at
> the hole spacing.
> Didn"t get a chance to epoxy in the center plate -that I think is
the
> egt cure of the decade, giving smoother air into carb and in turn
having
> egts closer together
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N1BZRich@aol.com
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
>
>
> Dave,
> Your experiments sound good. Send me the photos and a few words
> for the newsletter. I have always thought that the way air goes into
> the airbox and having the air filter that close to the back of the
> airbox just had to be decreasing overall airflow to the engine. I
think
> you are onto something good.
> Buz
>
> PS: Just started a light rain at OSH (7:30 AM Thursday) but some bad
> stuff is on the way.
>
> In a message dated 7/21/2010 11:58:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky@hbci.com writes:
>
> Hope not to bore all, but thought this info should be passed on. Did
> all
> testing within a 2 hour time period, same temp, same altitudes. at 2
> pm went
> up and had wot of 3110, installed a 1/2 inch spacer on air filter
> that would
> keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
> had wot of
> 3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
> box and
> had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
> up rpms
> installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
> miss.
> what a hit, egt at wot within 10, at cruise within 35 and within 15
> below
> cruise. Have photos if any would like them, I am still excited about
> this
> Dave McC
> Esqual 060
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "davemcc" <corky@hbci.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Lightning-List: airbox
>
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> Time: 02:53:18 PM PST US
> Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh weather
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> Been watching the radar as was wondering if we were getting any rain
in
> Northern Mitchigan, managed a day out flying adding another 4
airfields
> to my logbook though. Makinac Island is a strange place, a real
touristy
> place with overpriced everything, floods of toursits off every
ferry,
> however peace and tranquility as soon as you get out of town. The
> airfield is fantastic but that's speaking as a Brit as most of the
US
> airfields are a world apart from what I'm used to. 1/2 walk from
town.
> They have a Fort though, built by the British!
>
> >From the Radar OSH looks to have had a bucket full of rain and
some,
> just stopped now after several hours. Hopefully Buz's head is still
> above water! Heard a few planes on the radio heading that way
diverting
> to delay their trips. Last night two Challenger UL Amphibians came
into
> St Ignace for fuel on their way to OSH. The guys were from Canada
and
> crusing at 60 mph, there's dedication for you. They won't be there
yet
> though, mainly cause of the rain.
>
> Just trying to figure where to head for tomorrow so I can get back
to
> Appleton Saturday avoiding the weather both days......
>
> Regards, Clive
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 07:32:17 PM PST US
> From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Thursday evening
>
> More rain today - lots of more rain. Started raining about 7 AM and
> didn't stop until about 4 PM. Many flooded roads in the camping area
and lots
>
> of tents sitting in about six inches of water. Some trailers and
motor
> homes up to their axles in mud. Aircraft parking areas are once
again
> unusable/closed. The Lightning booth looks OK and some display
aircraft, as well
>
> as other show planes arrived late yesterday but are parked on hard
surfaces,
> either on aero shell square or on the north side at one of the two
FBOs -
> either Basler or Orion. Also some flooded roads down town this
evening
> when we went dinner. Hope the weather allows the Lightning and Jab
guys to
> make it to OSH tomorrow. Last forecast I saw called for a 40 percent
chance
> of rain tomorrow. We need at least two days for things to really dry
out.
> Other than the grass aircraft parking areas, everything else seems
to be
> going together for the show to start on time.
> Hope to see many of you here.
> Bring your snorkel.
> Buz
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
Friday morning, 23 July, 3 days until AirVenture 2010, the Worlds largest
boat show.
Unfortunately, it started raining about 30 minutes ago, so that isn't going
to help the aircraft parking situation. The major flooding we had
yesterday, see photo below, has mostly cleared up, but many mud holes and lots
of
stuck cars, trucks, trailers and motor homes. Just got back from a down
town trip, and the one piece of good news is that parts of the frontage
roads that were torn up are now fixed up. Still lots of one lane, muddy parts,
but not nearly as bad as a week ago. Progress continues on the AirVenture
grounds as far as setting up for the show, but the big concern now is
where to park the arriving aircraft. Well, no aircraft arriving at the moment,
but it is going to take some major drying before the grass aircraft
parking areas are usable. Bummer.
Hope to have better news later,
Buz
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Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to how it
moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube from air
box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air from being
too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the filter 1/2 in
further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in the air box. Did
you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot
of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up
rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
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| Subject: | OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
Hi Buss,
Waupaca airport is getting more populated then I have ever seen before.
Seems to be mostly Piper aircraft. Maybe arriving aircraft are using high
ground airports until the grounds dry out.
Rick Discher
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: OSH update, Friday, 23 July
Friday morning, 23 July, 3 days until AirVenture 2010, the Worlds largest
boat show.
Unfortunately, it started raining about 30 minutes ago, so that isn't going
to help the aircraft parking situation. The major flooding we had
yesterday, see photo below, has mostly cleared up, but many mud holes and
lots of stuck cars, trucks, trailers and motor homes. Just got back from a
down town trip, and the one piece of good news is that parts of the frontage
roads that were torn up are now fixed up. Still lots of one lane, muddy
parts, but not nearly as bad as a week ago. Progress continues on the
AirVenture grounds as far as setting up for the show, but the big concern
now is where to park the arriving aircraft. Well, no aircraft arriving at
the moment, but it is going to take some major drying before the grass
aircraft parking areas are usable. Bummer.
Hope to have better news later,
Buz
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Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to
how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube
from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air
from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the
filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in
the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give
up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
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Hi Dave,
Excited as to what you have done, I have the same problem
controling the temp on No. 5 EGT only, where it can be up to 150 deg F
higher that the others.
Dave,. the plate you put into the outlet of the airbox, I presume is
about 3" long, does it extend the full inside dia. of the outlet pipe?
Good work Dave.
Pete Disher
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in
spacer works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo
as to how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The
rubber tube from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to
keep the air from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you
moved the filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it
to fit in the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and
had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air
box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to
give up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or
miss.
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Pete
You know when I put this "plate" in it was a total hit or miss thing, I
guessed at the length and most important direction. With direction of
airflow, I thought it best installed as I did, forward and aft. and yes
length is about 3.5 inches. If your going to play with this, have an
open mind, first try may not work
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Disher
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Hi Dave,
Excited as to what you have done, I have the same problem
controling the temp on No. 5 EGT only, where it can be up to 150 deg F
higher that the others.
Dave,. the plate you put into the outlet of the airbox, I presume is
about 3" long, does it extend the full inside dia. of the outlet pipe?
Good work Dave.
Pete Disher
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on
original air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air
box cover in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter
1/2 inch further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could
document all changes having same flight conditions. It is made from
stock alum. then drilled out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of
wood because it is not in intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the
filter thing I had no change in egts, egts changed only when I change to
air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I
wait and come later in the week
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in
spacer works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo
as to how it moves the filter further away from the firewall? The
rubber tube from air box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to
keep the air from being too turbulent, but just don't understand how you
moved the filter 1/2 in further away from the firewall and still got it
to fit in the air box. Did you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again
and had wot of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to
air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to
give up rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit
or miss.
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| Subject: | Re: OSH update, Friday, 23 July |
In a message dated 7/23/2010 12:30:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rick@trickair.com writes:
Hi Buss,
Waupaca airport is getting more populated then I have ever seen before.
Seems to be mostly Piper aircraft. Maybe arriving aircraft are using high
ground airports until the grounds dry out.
Rick Discher
Hi Rick,
Not to be a stickler for details, but it's Buz (and I spell it with
only one Z; the Biblical spelling). And I have heard that what you are
suggesting about arriving aircraft stopping at outlying airports is exactly the
case. Based on the number of aircraft we have here now (maybe one tenth of
a normal year with only two days to go) they must be stopping somewhere
else. Unfortunately, we have more rain in the forecast for after midnight
tonight. Looking forward to seeing what you have developed for Trick Air
since last year.
Buz
PS: And right now you are probably wondering if there really is a Buz in
the Bible. Right?
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| Subject: | Friday night update from OSH |
NEWS FLASH - like a Lightning flash. Team Lightning and Team Jabiru have
arrived at Oshkosh as of about 4 PM this afternoon. Pete sent a text
message when they were over Ripon on the OSH arrival procedure and I was able
to
meet them and help get their "jets" to their booths. So far there are two
Lightnings here, the new blue demo from SYI, and Max and Oleana's Florida
Flash. Dave Jalanti will be arriving later with his ELSA Lightning. Plans
now are for the Florida jet to be in the Lightning booth, and the blue
demo and Dave's jet in the Light Sport Mall. Hey, it is starting to feel more
like OSH with the Lightning team here.
No real aircraft movements today, still too wet in the grass aircraft
parking areas, but we have quite a line that are waiting for the OK. They have
allowed people to register and put up their camp sites, they just don't
have their airplanes at their camps yet. Hopefully soon. However, more rain
is forecast for after midnight tonight and about a 40% chance for more
tomorrow. Bummer.
Blue Skies - Please!
Buz
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Thanks, Dave. As to bringing your motor home, yes, I certainly would.
Only some areas are really bad, but some are OK, as I see some parked with no
problems at all. I have heard that the camping registration people were
taking people out on golf carts to look at potential spots, but I don't know
if that is for sure, or is they are still doing that. Hope to see you
soon.
Buz
In a message dated 7/23/2010 2:19:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
Buz
It just fits around the air filter as shown and fits perfectly on original
air box. The original 4 screws will even work that hold the air box cover
in place. What it does is acts as a spacer to keep the filter 1/2 inch
further out. I made this up prior to any flights so I could document all
changes having same flight conditions. It is made from stock alum. then drilled
out to lighten it. Thinking of making it out of wood because it is not in
intake airflow, weight thing. When I did the filter thing I had no change
in egts, egts changed only when I change to air box inlet tube.
You gotta tell me, will I get stuck with the motor home, or should I wait
and come later in the week
Dave
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From: _N1BZRich@aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com)
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: airbox
Dave,
I have the photos, but not sure I understand how the 1/2 in spacer
works. Can you explain more and maybe send an additional photo as to how it
moves the filter further away from the firewall? The rubber tube from air
box to carb is understandable, as is the insert to keep the air from being
too turbulent, but just don't understand how you moved the filter 1/2 in
further away from the firewall and still got it to fit in the air box. Did
you modify the air box?
Keep up the good work,
Buz
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:05:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky@hbci.com writes:
1/2 inch spacer on air filter that would
keep air filter 1/2 inch further from firefall, went up again and had wot
of
3160. then changed scat tube out for rubber tube from cowl to air box and
had wot of 3230, but had egts of 1420 and 1160, not willing to give up
rpms
installed a plate in outlet of air box knowing this to be a hit or miss.
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