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2. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/13/10 (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
3. 03:54 PM - Re: flap motor (n5pb@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/13/10 |
Probably very little to none. But keeping the canopy cracked open would all
ow some ventilation and minimize possible wind damage to the canopy from a
sudden gust.
Bernardo Melendez
Kit #110
--- On Sun, 11/14/10, saggio.carl@gmail.com <saggio.carl@gmail.com> wrote:
From: saggio.carl@gmail.com <saggio.carl@gmail.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/13/10
What are the chances that this will happen with the canopy down?
Carl Bastiani
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
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=C2- =C2- 1. 05:36 PM - ******* Fire hazzard ***** =C2-(Tex Mantell)
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Subject: Lightning-List: Please Make A Contribution...
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Time: 05:36:25 PM PST US
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: ******* Fire hazzard *****
Buz, I think this cant wait till the next newsletter:
=C2- =C2- =C2-Today I had a great day of flying and just came in fro
m 3 hrs
flight and pulled up to the gas pumps. Got 8.6 gallons and went into the
FBO to pay for it and someone came in and said my plane was on fire. =C2-
Smoke was coming from the cockpit and the instrument panel cover was
burning. =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-What had happened is it was a great day here in
New York, bright
sun and no wind. =C2-I had left my canopy up and the sun was directly
behind the aircraft. =C2- The canopy was like a big parabolic reflector a
nd
focused the sun to a nice small spot on the dash. =C2-Thus the fire. Not
to
much damage for it was noticed quickly.
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-This happened here in New York, then down south
of the Mason
Dixie line or warmer areas it could be more of a problem.
Tex
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Time: 06:14:01 PM PST US
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
Hi Tex,
=C2- =C2-Good that this was caught right away or the results =C2-cou
ld have been
much worse. =C2-And thanks to you for posting it. =C2- Very likely your
notification
on the list will keep someone else from having the =C2-same problem. =C2
-In fact,
this is not the first example of the =C2-sun using this canopy as a magni
fying
glass to heat up the glare shield =C2-over the instrument panel. =C2-It
actually
happened one year at Sun-N-Fun to =C2-one of the Lightning aircraft on di
splay.
Nick or Mark can =C2- cover the specifics, but at least someone was stan
ding
close by and noticed =C2-either the smoke or smell before it got out of
=C2-hand. =C2-
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 11/13/2010 8:31:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =C2-
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
Buz, I think this cant wait till the next =C2-newsletter:
=C2- =C2- =C2-Today I had a =C2-great day of flying and just came
in from 3 hrs flight
and pulled up to the =C2-gas pumps. Got 8.6 gallons and went into the FBO
to
pay for it and someone =C2-came in and said my plane was on fire. =C2-S
moke was
coming from the cockpit =C2-and the instrument panel cover was burning.
=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-What =C2-had happened is it was a great day h
ere in New York, bright
sun and no =C2-wind. =C2-I had left my canopy up and the sun was direct
ly behind
the =C2-aircraft. =C2- The canopy was like a big parabolic reflector an
d =C2-focused
the sun to a nice small spot on the dash. =C2-Thus the fire. =C2-Not to
much damage
for it was noticed quickly.
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-This =C2-happened here in New York, then down
south of the Mason Dixie
line or warmer =C2-areas it could be more of a problem.
Tex
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No Tex, not getting worse but it has change my approach speeds. I will pro
bably change it out for a stronger motor.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Tex Mantell <wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flap motor
Thanks Bear, for the reply and have you noticed it getting worse? I really
dont feel its a real problem if it stays where its at. I dont often want mo
re till I get down to that speed. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: n5pb@AOL.COM
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flap motor
Tex,
I've experienced the same thing and spoke to Nick about it. He thought it
might be the motor not being strong enough.
Bear
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Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 4:07 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: flap motor
Nick, or anyone I have noticed that on approach and I start to drop some fl
ap, that I cant get a full 30 degrees till I am down to about 70 mph. This
has been getting worse the last few months. I get a full 40 with the plane
on the ground. I suspect the motor getting tired. Any comments welcome. T
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| Subject: | Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** |
I notice on another thread that someone has asked if this can happen with the canopy
closed.
My thought is that this can't happen with the canopy closed because it is not a
"magnifying glass" effect from sun through the canopy but rather a focused reflection
from the inside surface of the canopy. It occurs when the canopy is
up and the sun is in a sector over the tail.
I have had a similar thing happen to me although only to the extent of melting
patches of the synthetic covering I have over the glareshield, I didn't actually
achieve ignition.
I feel a bit bad about not posting a warning on the subject, although I have included
it in an article I am writing for the newsletter, but I'm also irritated
that the factory have experienced this behaviour and not passed on a warning.
In speaking to others I have found out that the effect will also occur in Esquals
under the right conditions.
The moral of the story is to try and avoid parking your aircraft with the sun behind
it any time you are have the canopy open. In my location (Australia) the
glareshield fabric can reach melt temperature in a very short time (1-2 min).
Probably a good idea not to leave paper on the glareshield either. I've also
done a bit of experimenting and found that I can't achieve any sort of focus
on the panel itself so instruments and screens are not at risk.
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Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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