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But keeping the canopy cracked open would all ow some ventilation and minimize possible wind damage to the canopy from a sudden gust. Bernardo Melendez Kit #110 --- On Sun, 11/14/10, saggio.carl@gmail.com wrote: From: saggio.carl@gmail.com Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/13/10 What are the chances that this will happen with the canopy down? Carl Bastiani Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Lightning-List Digest Server" Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/13/10 ======================== =C2- Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. =C2-The .html file includes the Digest format ted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. =C2-The .txt file includes the plain ASCII versio n of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. =C2-The Ma tronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. =C2- Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matr onics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ =C2-Message 1 =C2-____________________ _________________ Time: 05:36:25 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: ******* Fire hazzard ***** Buz, I think this cant wait till the next newsletter: =C2- =C2- =C2-Today I had a great day of flying and just came in fro m 3 hrs flight and pulled up to the gas pumps. Got 8.6 gallons and went into the FBO to pay for it and someone came in and said my plane was on fire. =C2- Smoke was coming from the cockpit and the instrument panel cover was burning. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-What had happened is it was a great day here in New York, bright sun and no wind. =C2-I had left my canopy up and the sun was directly behind the aircraft. =C2- The canopy was like a big parabolic reflector a nd focused the sun to a nice small spot on the dash. =C2-Thus the fire. Not to much damage for it was noticed quickly. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-This happened here in New York, then down south of the Mason Dixie line or warmer areas it could be more of a problem. Tex ________________________________ =C2-Message 2 =C2-____________________ _________________ Time: 06:14:01 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** Hi Tex, =C2- =C2-Good that this was caught right away or the results =C2-cou ld have been much worse. =C2-And thanks to you for posting it. =C2- Very likely your notification on the list will keep someone else from having the =C2-same problem. =C2 -In fact, this is not the first example of the =C2-sun using this canopy as a magni fying glass to heat up the glare shield =C2-over the instrument panel. =C2-It actually happened one year at Sun-N-Fun to =C2-one of the Lightning aircraft on di splay. Nick or Mark can =C2- cover the specifics, but at least someone was stan ding close by and noticed =C2-either the smoke or smell before it got out of =C2-hand. =C2- Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 11/13/2010 8:31:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =C2- wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes: Buz, I think this cant wait till the next =C2-newsletter: =C2- =C2- =C2-Today I had a =C2-great day of flying and just came in from 3 hrs flight and pulled up to the =C2-gas pumps. Got 8.6 gallons and went into the FBO to pay for it and someone =C2-came in and said my plane was on fire. =C2-S moke was coming from the cockpit =C2-and the instrument panel cover was burning. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-What =C2-had happened is it was a great day h ere in New York, bright sun and no =C2-wind. =C2-I had left my canopy up and the sun was direct ly behind the =C2-aircraft. =C2- The canopy was like a big parabolic reflector an d =C2-focused the sun to a nice small spot on the dash. =C2-Thus the fire. =C2-Not to much damage for it was noticed quickly. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-This =C2-happened here in New York, then down south of the Mason Dixie line or warmer =C2-areas it could be more of a problem. Tex =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. MS - =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5-=C3=93M4 =C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3=C3=A2z=C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2 =AB=C3=A5y=C2=ABJ=C3i=C2=A2=C2=BBX=C2=A2=C3=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BlN=C2=AC 2=B0=C3=AD=9E'tg=C2=ADJ=B0=C5=BEa8=C3=81DA=B0=C3=BB lh=C2=BD=C3=A9=BAz=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B6=82=AC=C5=BE{=C5=A1=9D =C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4[=C2=A7u=C2=A2=C2=B1=C3=C3=82=93'$=C2=A2} =C3-=C2=A8=C5=BE=C3=9A=C3=A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2yb=C5=BEF=C3=9E=93=C5 =92-=C2=A1=C3=B8=C2=A7v=B9=C2=AD=C5=A1=C5-=C3=9Ei=C2=BA.=C2a=C5 -=C3=8C=C5=BEj=C2=BBz=C2=BA=C3=A2~'=C2=AD=C3=A7=CB=86=EF=BD=C3=87=C2 =A7=C2=B6+=C3=9E'=C3=AD=C2=B2=C5=A1=C3=A8=C2=BE'^v=C3=B2 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flap motor From: n5pb@AOL.COM No Tex, not getting worse but it has change my approach speeds. I will pro bably change it out for a stronger motor. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Tex Mantell Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flap motor Thanks Bear, for the reply and have you noticed it getting worse? I really dont feel its a real problem if it stays where its at. I dont often want mo re till I get down to that speed. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: n5pb@AOL.COM Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: flap motor Tex, I've experienced the same thing and spoke to Nick about it. He thought it might be the motor not being strong enough. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Tex Mantell Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 4:07 pm Subject: Lightning-List: flap motor Nick, or anyone I have noticed that on approach and I start to drop some fl ap, that I cant get a full 30 degrees till I am down to about 70 mph. This has been getting worse the last few months. I get a full 40 with the plane on the ground. I suspect the motor getting tired. Any comments welcome. 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My thought is that this can't happen with the canopy closed because it is not a "magnifying glass" effect from sun through the canopy but rather a focused reflection from the inside surface of the canopy. It occurs when the canopy is up and the sun is in a sector over the tail. I have had a similar thing happen to me although only to the extent of melting patches of the synthetic covering I have over the glareshield, I didn't actually achieve ignition. I feel a bit bad about not posting a warning on the subject, although I have included it in an article I am writing for the newsletter, but I'm also irritated that the factory have experienced this behaviour and not passed on a warning. In speaking to others I have found out that the effect will also occur in Esquals under the right conditions. The moral of the story is to try and avoid parking your aircraft with the sun behind it any time you are have the canopy open. In my location (Australia) the glareshield fabric can reach melt temperature in a very short time (1-2 min). Probably a good idea not to leave paper on the glareshield either. I've also done a bit of experimenting and found that I can't achieve any sort of focus on the panel itself so instruments and screens are not at risk. -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319379#319379 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.