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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
2. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** (Tex Mantell)
3. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** |
I want to add that this is not particularly a fire hazzard tho it may have
some drama. It is not easy to get the fiberglass/carbon fiber to flame.
Soften, yes.
Yes, it is possible to get smoke out of the top of the instrument panel
depending on what material you use on the glare shield, IF you let the canopy
open for a period of time, IN the direct sunlight, WITH a precise angle
AND have a material that will smoke when the surface temp goes up.
It has not been a big secret, it has happened more than once at Sun n Fun
and OshKosh. That is the reason the canopies are not left open when on
display during the peak of the summer day. It requires both the sun and the
canopy to be in a very precise angle and to be left open. However,
Murphy's Law has kicked in occasionally. Leaving the canopy open for any length
of
time is not a good idea anyway because of possible wind damage.
To infer that the smoke will turn to flame or that there has been an int
entional cover-up, or to blame Shelbyville for non-disclosure is a little
over the top. In my opinion, of course.
My further opinion is that posting OBSERVATIONS on this list that may
effect others is to be encouraged. The CouldaWouldaShoulda.........not so
much.
$.02
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
Hey guys, blame it on me. Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the
incident at Sun-N-Fun happened before I even started writing the
newsletter. Yep, I should have remembered the incident and put it in one of the
early issues, but didn't remember to do that. Just too much on my mind I
guess.
Sorry bout that, but I will put it in the December issue (the next to last
one that I will write) so that future readers will have that info
available.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:13:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Tex Mantell"
<wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Selwyn, I to am disappointed that the factory was aware of the possible
problem and did not put something in the newsletter. It is so important
that
any problem big or small be put in the news for it could save someone the
expense and down time on their airplane. It just shows everybody how
valuable the news letters are.
We are real lucky to have people like Buz and others that manage the
news for us.
Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
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| Subject: | Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** |
I love it when people put thier 2cent opions on topics on the list. I
bet they would be totally different if it was thier plane that was
damaged.
P.S fiberglass covered with fabric will not only soften but will burn
very nicely and the flame will effect the canopy its self.
TEX
----- Original Message -----
From: Kayberg@AOL.COM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
I want to add that this is not particularly a fire hazzard tho it may
have some drama. It is not easy to get the fiberglass/carbon fiber to
flame. Soften, yes.
Yes, it is possible to get smoke out of the top of the instrument
panel depending on what material you use on the glare shield, IF you let
the canopy open for a period of time, IN the direct sunlight, WITH a
precise angle AND have a material that will smoke when the surface temp
goes up.
It has not been a big secret, it has happened more than once at Sun n
Fun and OshKosh. That is the reason the canopies are not left open
when on display during the peak of the summer day. It requires both the
sun and the canopy to be in a very precise angle and to be left open.
However, Murphy's Law has kicked in occasionally. Leaving the canopy
open for any length of time is not a good idea anyway because of
possible wind damage.
To infer that the smoke will turn to flame or that there has been an
intentional cover-up, or to blame Shelbyville for non-disclosure is a
little over the top. In my opinion, of course.
My further opinion is that posting OBSERVATIONS on this list that may
effect others is to be encouraged. The CouldaWouldaShoulda.........not
so much.
$.02
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
Hey guys, blame it on me. Actually, if my memory serves me
correctly the incident at Sun-N-Fun happened before I even started
writing the newsletter. Yep, I should have remembered the incident and
put it in one of the early issues, but didn't remember to do that. Just
too much on my mind I guess.
Sorry bout that, but I will put it in the December issue (the next
to last one that I will write) so that future readers will have that
info available.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:13:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
<wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Selwyn, I to am disappointed that the factory was aware of the
possible
problem and did not put something in the newsletter. It is so
important that
any problem big or small be put in the news for it could save
someone the
expense and down time on their airplane. It just shows everybody
how
valuable the news letters are.
We are real lucky to have people like Buz and others that
manage the
news for us.
Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
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| Subject: | Re: ******* Fire hazzard ***** |
Tex,
How about some photos of the damage on your airplane to go in the
December newsletter. I for sure want to cover this potential problem in the
newsletter this time and a photo or two always makes for better coverage.
Thanks, Buz
In a message dated 11/17/2010 4:35:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
I love it when people put thier 2cent opions on topics on the list. I bet
they would be totally different if it was thier plane that was damaged.
P.S fiberglass covered with fabric will not only soften but will burn very
nicely and the flame will effect the canopy its self.
TEX
----- Original Message -----
From: _Kayberg@AOL.COM_ (mailto:Kayberg@AOL.COM)
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
I want to add that this is not particularly a fire hazzard tho it may have
some drama. It is not easy to get the fiberglass/carbon fiber to flame.
Soften, yes.
Yes, it is possible to get smoke out of the top of the instrument panel
depending on what material you use on the glare shield, IF you let the canopy
open for a period of time, IN the direct sunlight, WITH a precise angle
AND have a material that will smoke when the surface temp goes up.
It has not been a big secret, it has happened more than once at Sun n Fun
and OshKosh. That is the reason the canopies are not left open when on
display during the peak of the summer day. It requires both the sun and the
canopy to be in a very precise angle and to be left open. However,
Murphy's Law has kicked in occasionally. Leaving the canopy open for any length
of
time is not a good idea anyway because of possible wind damage.
To infer that the smoke will turn to flame or that there has been an
intentional cover-up, or to blame Shelbyville for non-disclosure is a little
over the top. In my opinion, of course.
My further opinion is that posting OBSERVATIONS on this list that may
effect others is to be encouraged. The CouldaWouldaShoulda.........not so
much.
$.02
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
Hey guys, blame it on me. Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the
incident at Sun-N-Fun happened before I even started writing the
newsletter. Yep, I should have remembered the incident and put it in one of the
early issues, but didn't remember to do that. Just too much on my mind I
guess.
Sorry bout that, but I will put it in the December issue (the next to last
one that I will write) so that future readers will have that info
available.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 11/15/2010 8:13:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wb2ssj@frontiernet.net writes:
<wb2ssj@frontiernet.net>
Selwyn, I to am disappointed that the factory was aware of the possible
problem and did not put something in the newsletter. It is so important
that
any problem big or small be put in the news for it could save someone the
expense and down time on their airplane. It just shows everybody how
valuable the news letters are.
We are real lucky to have people like Buz and others that manage the
news for us.
Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: ******* Fire hazzard *****
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