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1. 05:55 AM - Lightning POH on web stie (flylightning)
2. 08:38 AM - Re: poh (flylightning)
3. 09:37 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (Dick Cleavinger)
4. 10:26 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (flylightning)
5. 10:39 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (Maxim Voronin)
6. 12:11 PM - Airflow splitter for EGTs (flylightning)
7. 04:56 PM - WTF? (avn100@AOL.COM)
8. 09:25 PM - Re: Airflow splitter for EGTs (James, Clive R)
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| Subject: | Lightning POH on web stie |
Group,
Give me a day and I will get the current EAB manual posted to the web
site.
For now if you want it, mail me at nick@flylightning.net and I will send
it to your address.
The file is to big for the list.
Thanks
Nick
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Wayne,
Attached is a copy.
Thanks
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
Greetings Nick
Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months
away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have.
Cheers from Australia
Wayne Patterson
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
Ph (08) 9444 1135
Fax (08) 9443 5203
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: poh
<info@flylightning.net>
Paul,
Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
me know if you get it.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru |
This looks like a solution looking for a problem
Dick Cleaivinger
Lighting #42
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas <checkpoint2@comcast.net> wrote:
> Stick to real estate.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard
> Melendez, Jr.
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
>
>
> Group,
> A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing
> re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how
> much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage
> on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments.
> Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to
> re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video
> that I saw on that subject.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1
>
> This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine
> and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard
> of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of
> food.
>
> Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110
>
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| Subject: | Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru |
Good one.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Cleavinger
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
This looks like a solution looking for a problem
Dick Cleaivinger
Lighting #42
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas <checkpoint2@comcast.net>
wrote:
Stick to real estate.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
Group,
A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing
re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know
how much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and
run stage on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's
developments.
Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to
re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube
video that I saw on that subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1> &NR=1
This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better
engine and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone
else has heard of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for
thought. Lots of food.
Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru |
go turbine if you are looking for an adventure
Max
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM, flylightning <info@flylightning.net> wrote:
> Good one.
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dick Cleavinger
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:00 AM
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
>
>
> This looks like a solution looking for a problem
>
> Dick Cleaivinger
>
> Lighting #42
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas <checkpoint2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Stick to real estate.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard
> Melendez, Jr.
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
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> Group,
> A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing
> re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how
> much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage
> on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments.
> Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to
> re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video
> that I saw on that subject.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1
>
> This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine
> and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard
> of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of
> food.
>
> Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110
>
> *Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
> Professional Real Estate Inspector*
>
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| Subject: | Airflow splitter for EGTs |
Group,
For some time now Bill Browns from IL has been playing with intake
splitters to even out the large Difference in EGTS from left to right
bank.
One of the last designs, a four way splitter, was purposed to go in the
outlet tube of the Airbox to the carb. I know that Bill and a few others
have testing it there with ok results.
A little back story here. From day one we have always attached the SCAT
hose directly to the Carb in a Lightning. The Jabiru manual says to have
a clean bore tube attached to the carb than the scat hose.
For one reason or another I paid no attention to this and didn't do it.
Was as of late, say the last 6 planes or so out of SYI I have installed
a smooth bore fiberglass tube to the carb.
It does make installing the SCAT easier but did nothing for my EGTS,
bummer. So I thought well why not stick the Splitter in the tube right
in front of the CARB, it can't get any worse, and the air certainly
can't tumble after it no room.
So a test flight with out The splitter installed and just the fiberglass
tube revealed EGTs as follows at WOT. Lowest was 1050 degrees and the
highest was near 1400 degrees. Yep that is what we see with out the
tube.
Back on the ground and insert the Splitter. WOW what a difference, low
EGTs now 1180 degrees and the high was 1240 degrees at WOT!!! Never seen
that. Full power in level flight showed the same results. Cruise was
also much better.
So this is just chance right one install, cant be the same on the next
plane right?
Note the 2 pictures, One shows the 4 way splitter insert, and a Splitter
built in to a aluminum tube. The second picture is where the smooth bore
tube attaches, in this case a fiberglass tube for the insert.
The splitter built in to the tube is intended to be a production style
finished part with no insert. So I stuck this on the newest LS-1 we are
flying. Same idea just looks better.
WOW again, same results. WOT EGT low 1140 degrees, High EGT was 1220
Degrees. The rest of course in the middle. The spread was great just a
little rich, so swap out the 255 main jet to a 250 main jet with better
leaner temps.
With the 250 main jet we see 1220 LOW egt and 1280 High EGT at full
power WOT. That's outstanding in my book.
So with two plane flying with identical results I think we are on to
solving the uneven fuel distribution and full throttle. I have sent a
few more of these out to other dealers and Lighting builders to play
with ( umm test) and see what happens.
We just have to find some one to build them for us, unless Bill wants to
mass produce them in his basement!
Nick
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Dear Wayne Patterson,
Did you mistake this list (which I understood was for the exchange of Light
ning-related aeronautical experiences and technical information among diver
se current and future owners) for one more opportunity to market your missi
on statement's "radical god" by spreading the "Transform Cambodia" marque s
ubtly or blatantly wherever you wander on the web? Suggest you drop that
despicable ad line from your signature block when posting here or I will ex
pand on this brief hint at the arrogance of your opportunistic organization
and its partner lunatics such as "Cambodian generations for christ" in see
king to entirely eliminate buddhism and other "satanic" religions from a de
sperate and disorganized Cambodia by kidnapping, feeding, clothing, and mer
cilessly indoctrinating its helpless children in your dogma of christian s
upremacy.
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (flylightn
ing)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (Bernard
Melendez, Jr.)
3. 01:46 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (ple190)
4. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
5. 02:28 PM - Lightning POH for experimental (flylightning)
6. 02:43 PM - poh (flylightning)
7. 02:58 PM - Re: poh (Ewin Paul)
8. 05:54 PM - Re: poh (Wayne Patterson)
9. 08:06 PM - Re: poh (Harry Weber)
10. 09:22 PM - Re: poh (Helmut Frensch)
11. 09:30 PM - Re: poh (Wayne Patterson)
12. 10:11 PM - Re: poh (Helmut Frensch)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Time: 05:51:03 AM PST US
From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
Bernardo,
I don't think I would mess with them. Spend a little time during flight
testing to get the air baffles correct and the tuning and you shouldn't
have any problems.
Normally the need to torque the heads settles down after the engine
fully breaks in, by 50 hours we usually don't see anything move.
Now if you do have a bolt constantly moving that is a good indication of
a cooling problem over that cylinder and attention to the baffle above
it and it's CHT should be noted and delt with.
The debate over aircooled and water cooled can rage on but Jabiru has
got a good engine here and I wouldn't fool with adding those heads, it
not worth it.
The same company makes a finned valve cover as well, claiming to drop
oil temps and such. The problem is that there is not enough splash oil
on the covers to really transfer heat.
Also if one understands the Airducts provided than you will see that
there is not much airflow over the valve covers to transfer any heat in
the fins on a finned valve cover. They look "Cool" though.
I wouldn't want to add the mess of hoses to my engine bay, and certainly
not the water weight, even pregnant women don't like water weight!
So come to our engine class in May and we can show you the correct way
to install and maintain the engine properly and put to bed all those
internet myths.
(sorry shame less plug for Mark and My engine course) but you really
should attend its fun and educational.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Maxwell
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
Hi Bernard as a fellow esqual owner I have a solid lift engine I check
the head torque every 25 hrs and check the valve lash no problems 435
hrs. to date cht hottest 295 . The newest engines are good serial # 2222
on a friends is a big improvement mine is 5?? dont remember. Allan
maxwell
--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
Group,
A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing
re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know
how much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and
run stage on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's
developments.
Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to
re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube
video that I saw on that subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1
This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better
engine and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone
else has heard of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for
thought. Lots of food.
Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com/>
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From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
Thanks Nick. I was not going to change anything or go through the extra exp
ense of adding $$$ and weight to a standard installation. I was merely aski
ng if anyone else had heard or had had any experience with those new water
cooled heads, and their thoughts on the subject.
There's a plaque on my garage wall that my late father-in-law made that say
s "We only fix what's broke". So, my plans were to leave well enough alone
and only deal with things that are not right after operating and testing, i
f any.
But I also think that a forum for discussing, possibly improving, or making
our aircraft safer is a good thing. Which leads to a subject that's been o
n my mind, and that is that I would love to see more communication and disc
ussion amongst the builders and owners of Lightnings on this list or in the
Yahoo group and to exchange ideas. Perhaps others will think that is good
and someone can pick up the gauntlet and start dialogues.
Glad you guys made it safely through the storm in Lakeland.
Best regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110
--- On Tue, 4/19/11, flylightning <info@flylightning.net> wrote:
From: flylightning <info@flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru
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=0A Gr
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=0A A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads ne
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Ro
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=0A Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you hav
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Yo
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Time: 01:46:24 PM PST US
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
From: "ple190" <plge190@optusnet.com.au>
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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Time: 02:12:42 PM PST US
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
Hi Paul,
I'm going to info Nick and Mark on this email to you. They have the
POH for the experimental lightning on file (or CD) and have probably kept
theirs up to date. I have not kept my file updated since I originally
worked on it and gave them the file.
Good luck on your test flying. I know you will have fun.
Buz
In a message dated 4/19/2011 4:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
plge190@optusnet.com.au writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "ple190" <plge190@optusnet.com.au>
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put togethe
r
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
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Time: 02:28:30 PM PST US
From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning POH for experimental
Paul,
Attached is a flight manual for one of our last experimental demos.
DO NOT PRINT THIS OUT DIRCECTLY AND USE IT AS IT IS NOT FOR YOUR
PLANE!!!!!
Use it as a template. Add information about your aircraft ie; weight and
balance, install equipment, speeds, ect. Although your airplane is a
Lightning it may be different from ours.
It is always the builders responsibility to produce a flight manual for
your aircraft. In this case Buz worked very hard to give us a good
template to start with.
Again you are the builder and you must come up with your V speeds and
approach speeds to best compliment your aircraft and installed systems.
So have fun with it and here ya go.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________
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Time: 02:43:44 PM PST US
From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: poh
Paul,
Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
me know if you get it.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________
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Time: 02:58:10 PM PST US
From: Ewin Paul <plge190@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
Thanks Nick
Was that email or postal address ?
Paul
On 20/04/2011, at 7:39 AM, flylightning wrote:
> >
>
> Paul,
>
> Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large.
> Let
> me know if you get it.
>
> Thanks
> Nick Otterback
> Arion Aircraft
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> >
>
> HI Buz
> I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
> together
> as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
> Thanks
> Paul :)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
>
>
________________________________ Message 8 ______________________________
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Time: 05:54:48 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
Greetings Nick
Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months
away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have.
Cheers from Australia
Wayne Patterson
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
Ph (08) 9444 1135
Fax (08) 9443 5203
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: poh
<info@flylightning.net>
Paul,
Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
me know if you get it.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 9 ______________________________
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Time: 08:06:58 PM PST US
From: Harry Weber <glasair98hw@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
Hi Buz: Would you mind forwarding the POH to me also. glasair98hw@comcast.n
et
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ewin Paul" <plge190@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:54:27 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
Thanks Nick
Was that email or postal address ?
Paul
On 20/04/2011, at 7:39 AM, flylightning wrote:
> >
>
> Paul,
>
> Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large.
> Let
> me know if you get it.
>
> Thanks
> Nick Otterback
> Arion Aircraft
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> >
>
> HI Buz
> I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
> together
> as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
> Thanks
> Paul :)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
>
>
________________________________ Message 10 _____________________________
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Time: 09:22:00 PM PST US
From: "Helmut Frensch" <frenschsh@lm.net.au>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
H Wayne.
I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for my
brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to
finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
Greetings Nick
Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months
away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have.
Cheers from Australia
Wayne Patterson
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
Ph (08) 9444 1135
Fax (08) 9443 5203
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: poh
<info@flylightning.net>
Paul,
Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
me know if you get it.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 11 _____________________________
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Time: 09:30:11 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
Certainly please Helmut!
Wayne Patterson
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
Ph (08) 9444 1135
Fax (08) 9443 5203
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
<frenschsh@lm.net.au>
H Wayne.
I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for
my
brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to
finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
Greetings Nick
Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months
away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have.
Cheers from Australia
Wayne Patterson
TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
Ph (08) 9444 1135
Fax (08) 9443 5203
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: poh
<info@flylightning.net>
Paul,
Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
me know if you get it.
Thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
HI Buz
I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
together
as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
Thanks
Paul :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
________________________________ Message 12 _____________________________
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Time: 10:11:43 PM PST US
From: "Helmut Frensch" <frenschsh@lm.net.au>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
Wayne document attached.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
>
> Certainly please Helmut!
>
> Wayne Patterson
> TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
> Ph (08) 9444 1135
> Fax (08) 9443 5203
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
> Frensch
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:19 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh
>
> <frenschsh@lm.net.au>
>
> H Wayne.
> I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for
> my
> brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to
> finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting.
>
> Cheers Helmut.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne@lpwa.net>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh
>
>
> Greetings Nick
> Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months
> away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have.
> Cheers from Australia
>
> Wayne Patterson
> TRANSFORM CAMBODIA
> Ph (08) 9444 1135
> Fax (08) 9443 5203
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flylightning
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: poh
>
> <info@flylightning.net>
>
> Paul,
>
> Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let
> me know if you get it.
>
> Thanks
> Nick Otterback
> Arion Aircraft
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
>
> HI Buz
> I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put
> together
> as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better
> Thanks
> Paul :)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530
>
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| Subject: | Airflow splitter for EGTs |
This looks interesting and thanks for sharing it. The WOT uneven running
on my Esqual's 3300 went away with a smooth bend though I've never moved
to the next step, chasing EGT's.
I had always wondered if the place for the 'straightening device' was in
a straight line to the carb.
In industrial flow measurement we always have the straightening bundle
after the bend in a straight line to the measuring device.
The bundle is usually just that, a bundle of tubes inside the pipe, that
would be the most efficient way of straightening the flow but in our
case would be a little restrictive of airflow unless the tubes could be
really thin (like drinking straws).
Unfortunately there is no space for the fibreglass tube on the Esqual
and I imagine some other engine installations, though I think something
of the style of this could be fashioned in the last part of the bend..
One question, does the orientation of the cross of the splitter have any
effect. + or x ?
Nick, have you considered, forwarding on these results to the engine
lists? jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
given the benefit that would likely apply to many installations.
Regards, Clive
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: 20 April 2011 20:06
Subject: Lightning-List: Airflow splitter for EGTs
Group,
For some time now Bill Browns from IL has been playing with intake
splitters to even out the large Difference in EGTS from left to right
bank.
One of the last designs, a four way splitter, was purposed to go in the
outlet tube of the Airbox to the carb. I know that Bill and a few others
have testing it there with ok results.
A little back story here. From day one we have always attached the SCAT
hose directly to the Carb in a Lightning. The Jabiru manual says to have
a clean bore tube attached to the carb than the scat hose.
For one reason or another I paid no attention to this and didn't do it.
Was as of late, say the last 6 planes or so out of SYI I have installed
a smooth bore fiberglass tube to the carb.
It does make installing the SCAT easier but did nothing for my EGTS,
bummer. So I thought well why not stick the Splitter in the tube right
in front of the CARB, it can't get any worse, and the air certainly
can't tumble after it no room.
So a test flight with out The splitter installed and just the fiberglass
tube revealed EGTs as follows at WOT. Lowest was 1050 degrees and the
highest was near 1400 degrees. Yep that is what we see with out the
tube.
Back on the ground and insert the Splitter. WOW what a difference, low
EGTs now 1180 degrees and the high was 1240 degrees at WOT!!! Never seen
that. Full power in level flight showed the same results. Cruise was
also much better.
So this is just chance right one install, cant be the same on the next
plane right?
Note the 2 pictures, One shows the 4 way splitter insert, and a Splitter
built in to a aluminum tube. The second picture is where the smooth bore
tube attaches, in this case a fiberglass tube for the insert.
The splitter built in to the tube is intended to be a production style
finished part with no insert. So I stuck this on the newest LS-1 we are
flying. Same idea just looks better.
WOW again, same results. WOT EGT low 1140 degrees, High EGT was 1220
Degrees. The rest of course in the middle. The spread was great just a
little rich, so swap out the 255 main jet to a 250 main jet with better
leaner temps.
With the 250 main jet we see 1220 LOW egt and 1280 High EGT at full
power WOT. That's outstanding in my book.
So with two plane flying with identical results I think we are on to
solving the uneven fuel distribution and full throttle. I have sent a
few more of these out to other dealers and Lighting builders to play
with ( umm test) and see what happens.
We just have to find some one to build them for us, unless Bill wants to
mass produce them in his basement!
Nick
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