---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/20/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:55 AM - Lightning POH on web stie (flylightning) 2. 08:38 AM - Re: poh (flylightning) 3. 09:37 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (Dick Cleavinger) 4. 10:26 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (flylightning) 5. 10:39 AM - Re: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru (Maxim Voronin) 6. 12:11 PM - Airflow splitter for EGTs (flylightning) 7. 04:56 PM - WTF? (avn100@AOL.COM) 8. 09:25 PM - Re: Airflow splitter for EGTs (James, Clive R) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:06 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning POH on web stie Group, Give me a day and I will get the current EAB manual posted to the web site. For now if you want it, mail me at nick@flylightning.net and I will send it to your address. The file is to big for the list. Thanks Nick ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:00 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh Wayne, Attached is a copy. Thanks Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Patterson Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh Greetings Nick Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have. Cheers from Australia Wayne Patterson TRANSFORM CAMBODIA Ph (08) 9444 1135 Fax (08) 9443 5203 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Lightning-List: poh Paul, Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let me know if you get it. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru From: Dick Cleavinger This looks like a solution looking for a problem Dick Cleaivinger Lighting #42 On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas wrote: > Stick to real estate. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Melendez, Jr. > *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru > > > Group, > A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing > re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how > much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage > on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments. > Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to > re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video > that I saw on that subject. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1 > > This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine > and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard > of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of > food. > > Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 > > *Bernardo Melendez, Realtor > Professional Real Estate Inspector* > > *ALIANZA** INSPECTIONS* > > Mobile: 281.536.9052 > > Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:42 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru Good one. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Cleavinger Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru This looks like a solution looking for a problem Dick Cleaivinger Lighting #42 On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas wrote: Stick to real estate. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru Group, A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments. Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video that I saw on that subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo &NR=1 This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of food. Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru From: Maxim Voronin go turbine if you are looking for an adventure Max On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM, flylightning wrote: > Good one. > > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dick Cleavinger > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:00 AM > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru > > > This looks like a solution looking for a problem > > Dick Cleaivinger > > Lighting #42 > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Bob Haas wrote: > > Stick to real estate. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Melendez, Jr. > *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:27 AM > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru > > > Group, > A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing > re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how > much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage > on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments. > Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to > re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video > that I saw on that subject. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1 > > This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine > and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard > of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of > food. > > Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 > > *Bernardo Melendez, Realtor > Professional Real Estate Inspector* > > *ALIANZA** INSPECTIONS* > > Mobile: 281.536.9052 > > Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > * - The Lightning-List Email Forum -* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List* > > ** > > ** > > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > > * Thank you for your generous support!* > > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:20 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: Lightning-List: Airflow splitter for EGTs Group, For some time now Bill Browns from IL has been playing with intake splitters to even out the large Difference in EGTS from left to right bank. One of the last designs, a four way splitter, was purposed to go in the outlet tube of the Airbox to the carb. I know that Bill and a few others have testing it there with ok results. A little back story here. From day one we have always attached the SCAT hose directly to the Carb in a Lightning. The Jabiru manual says to have a clean bore tube attached to the carb than the scat hose. For one reason or another I paid no attention to this and didn't do it. Was as of late, say the last 6 planes or so out of SYI I have installed a smooth bore fiberglass tube to the carb. It does make installing the SCAT easier but did nothing for my EGTS, bummer. So I thought well why not stick the Splitter in the tube right in front of the CARB, it can't get any worse, and the air certainly can't tumble after it no room. So a test flight with out The splitter installed and just the fiberglass tube revealed EGTs as follows at WOT. Lowest was 1050 degrees and the highest was near 1400 degrees. Yep that is what we see with out the tube. Back on the ground and insert the Splitter. WOW what a difference, low EGTs now 1180 degrees and the high was 1240 degrees at WOT!!! Never seen that. Full power in level flight showed the same results. Cruise was also much better. So this is just chance right one install, cant be the same on the next plane right? Note the 2 pictures, One shows the 4 way splitter insert, and a Splitter built in to a aluminum tube. The second picture is where the smooth bore tube attaches, in this case a fiberglass tube for the insert. The splitter built in to the tube is intended to be a production style finished part with no insert. So I stuck this on the newest LS-1 we are flying. Same idea just looks better. WOW again, same results. WOT EGT low 1140 degrees, High EGT was 1220 Degrees. The rest of course in the middle. The spread was great just a little rich, so swap out the 255 main jet to a 250 main jet with better leaner temps. With the 250 main jet we see 1220 LOW egt and 1280 High EGT at full power WOT. That's outstanding in my book. So with two plane flying with identical results I think we are on to solving the uneven fuel distribution and full throttle. I have sent a few more of these out to other dealers and Lighting builders to play with ( umm test) and see what happens. We just have to find some one to build them for us, unless Bill wants to mass produce them in his basement! Nick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:50 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: WTF? From: avn100@AOL.COM Dear Wayne Patterson, Did you mistake this list (which I understood was for the exchange of Light ning-related aeronautical experiences and technical information among diver se current and future owners) for one more opportunity to market your missi on statement's "radical god" by spreading the "Transform Cambodia" marque s ubtly or blatantly wherever you wander on the web? Suggest you drop that despicable ad line from your signature block when posting here or I will ex pand on this brief hint at the arrogance of your opportunistic organization and its partner lunatics such as "Cambodian generations for christ" in see king to entirely eliminate buddhism and other "satanic" religions from a de sperate and disorganized Cambodia by kidnapping, feeding, clothing, and mer cilessly indoctrinating its helpless children in your dogma of christian s upremacy. -----Original Message----- From: Lightning-List Digest Server Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:05 pm Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 04/19/11 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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Spend a little time during flight testing to get the air baffles correct and the tuning and you shouldn't have any problems. Normally the need to torque the heads settles down after the engine fully breaks in, by 50 hours we usually don't see anything move. Now if you do have a bolt constantly moving that is a good indication of a cooling problem over that cylinder and attention to the baffle above it and it's CHT should be noted and delt with. The debate over aircooled and water cooled can rage on but Jabiru has got a good engine here and I wouldn't fool with adding those heads, it not worth it. The same company makes a finned valve cover as well, claiming to drop oil temps and such. The problem is that there is not enough splash oil on the covers to really transfer heat. Also if one understands the Airducts provided than you will see that there is not much airflow over the valve covers to transfer any heat in the fins on a finned valve cover. They look "Cool" though. I wouldn't want to add the mess of hoses to my engine bay, and certainly not the water weight, even pregnant women don't like water weight! So come to our engine class in May and we can show you the correct way to install and maintain the engine properly and put to bed all those internet myths. (sorry shame less plug for Mark and My engine course) but you really should attend its fun and educational. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan Maxwell Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru Hi Bernard as a fellow esqual owner I have a solid lift engine I check the head torque every 25 hrs and check the valve lash no problems 435 hrs. to date cht hottest 295 . The newest engines are good serial # 2222 on a friends is a big improvement mine is 5?? dont remember. Allan maxwell --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Bernard Melendez, Jr. wrote: From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru Group, A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads needing re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don't know how much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine install and run stage on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Rotec's developments. Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you having to re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first You Tube video that I saw on that subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1 This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better engine and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone else has heard of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food for thought. Lots of food. Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________ _______ Time: 07:03:36 AM PST US From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru Thanks Nick. I was not going to change anything or go through the extra exp ense of adding $$$ and weight to a standard installation. I was merely aski ng if anyone else had heard or had had any experience with those new water cooled heads, and their thoughts on the subject. There's a plaque on my garage wall that my late father-in-law made that say s "We only fix what's broke". So, my plans were to leave well enough alone and only deal with things that are not right after operating and testing, i f any. But I also think that a forum for discussing, possibly improving, or making our aircraft safer is a good thing. Which leads to a subject that's been o n my mind, and that is that I would love to see more communication and disc ussion amongst the builders and owners of Lightnings on this list or in the Yahoo group and to exchange ideas. Perhaps others will think that is good and someone can pick up the gauntlet and start dialogues. Glad you guys made it safely through the storm in Lakeland. Best regards, Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 --- On Tue, 4/19/11, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0ABernardo, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI don=99t think I would mess with=0Athem. Spend a litt le time during flight testing to get the air baffles correct=0Aand the tuni ng and you shouldn=99t have any problems. =0A=0ANormally the need to t orque the heads=0Asettles down after the engine fully breaks in, by 50 ho ur s we usually don=99t=0Asee anything move. =0A=0ANow if you do have a bolt constantly=0Amoving that is a good indication of a cooling problem ov er that cylinder and=0Aattention to the baffle above it and it=99s CH T should be noted and delt=0Awith. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AThe debate over airc ooled and water cooled=0Acan rage on but Jabiru has got a good engine her e and I wouldn=99t fool=0Awith adding those heads, it not worth it. =0A =0AThe same company makes a finned valve=0Acover as well, claiming to d rop oil temps and such. The problem is that there=0Ais not enough splash oil on the covers to really transfer heat. =0A=0AAlso if one understands the Air ducts=0Aprovided than you will see that there is not much airflow over th e valve covers=0Ato transfer any heat in the fins on a finned valve cover. Th ey look =9CCool=9D=0Athough. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI wouldn =99t want to add the mess of=0Ahoses to my engine bay, and certainly no t th e water weight, even pregnant women=0Adon=99t like water weight! =0A =0A =C2- =0A=0ASo come to our engine class in May and we=0Acan sh ow you t he correct way to install and maintain the engine properly and=0Aput to b ed all those internet myths. =0A=0A(sorry shame less plug for Mark and My =0Ae ngine course) but you really should attend its fun and educational. =0A =0A =C2- =0A=0AThanks =0A=0ANick Otterback =0A=0AArion Aircraft =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-ligh tnin g-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan Maxwell =0ASent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:24=0APM =0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Rotec=0Awater cooled heads for 3300 Jab iru =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hi Bernard as a fellow esqu al owner=C2- I have a=0A solid lift engine=C2- I check the head torque every 25 hr s and check the=0A valve lash no problems 435 hrs. to date cht hottest 295 . The newest engines=0A are good serial # 2222 on a friends is a big impr ov ement mine is 5?? dont=0A remember.=C2- Allan maxwell =0A =0A --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Bernard Melendez, Jr. =0A w rote : =0A =0A From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. =0A Subject: Lightning-List: Rotec water cooled heads for 3300 Jabiru =0A To: lightning-list@matronics.com =0A Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:26 AM =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gr oup, =0A A friend in Oz turned me on to this issue, of Jabiru 3300 heads ne ed ing=0A re-torquing and becoming deformed due to excessive heat. I don' t know how=0A much of an issue this is, as I'm not yet at the engine ins ta ll and run=0A stage on my Lightning, but I'm definitely interested in Ro tec's=0A developments. =0A Has anyone else had any issues with high CHT temps and are you hav in g to=0A re-torque the heads on a regular basis? Here's the very first Yo u Tube=0A video that I saw on that subject. =0A =0A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfftfKg0yvo&NR=1 =0A =0A This is a solution that if true, could make the 3300 a much better e ngine=0A and would keep temps down and extend its longevity. If anyone e lse has=0A heard of this, or has tried it, let's talk about it. Food f or thought. Lots=0A of food. =0A =0A Bernardo Melendez, Kit # 110 =0A =0A Bernardo=C2-Melen dez, =0A Realtor =0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIA NZA INSP ECTIONS =0A =0A =0A Mobile:=C2-=C2- 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2 - =C2-" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Lightning-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blan k>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - The Lightnin g-List Email Forum -=C2-=C2- --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lig htning-List=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C 2 -=C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -=C2-=C2- --> http://forum s.matronics.com=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- - List Contribution Web Site -=C2- Thank you for your genero us support!=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C 2 -=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.=C2-=C2 - --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0 A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________ _______ Time: 01:46:24 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun From: "ple190" HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________ _______ Time: 02:12:42 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun Hi Paul, I'm going to info Nick and Mark on this email to you. They have the POH for the experimental lightning on file (or CD) and have probably kept theirs up to date. I have not kept my file updated since I originally worked on it and gave them the file. Good luck on your test flying. I know you will have fun. Buz In a message dated 4/19/2011 4:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, plge190@optusnet.com.au writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "ple190" HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put togethe r as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________ _______ Time: 02:28:30 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning POH for experimental Paul, Attached is a flight manual for one of our last experimental demos. DO NOT PRINT THIS OUT DIRCECTLY AND USE IT AS IT IS NOT FOR YOUR PLANE!!!!! Use it as a template. Add information about your aircraft ie; weight and balance, install equipment, speeds, ect. Although your airplane is a Lightning it may be different from ours. It is always the builders responsibility to produce a flight manual for your aircraft. In this case Buz worked very hard to give us a good template to start with. Again you are the builder and you must come up with your V speeds and approach speeds to best compliment your aircraft and installed systems. So have fun with it and here ya go. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________ _______ Time: 02:43:44 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: Lightning-List: poh Paul, Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let me know if you get it. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________ _______ Time: 02:58:10 PM PST US From: Ewin Paul Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh Thanks Nick Was that email or postal address ? Paul On 20/04/2011, at 7:39 AM, flylightning wrote: > > > > Paul, > > Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. > Let > me know if you get it. > > Thanks > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun > > > > > HI Buz > I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put > together > as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better > Thanks > Paul :) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 > > ________________________________ Message 8 ______________________________ _______ Time: 05:54:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh From: "Wayne Patterson" Greetings Nick Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have. Cheers from Australia Wayne Patterson TRANSFORM CAMBODIA Ph (08) 9444 1135 Fax (08) 9443 5203 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Lightning-List: poh Paul, Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let me know if you get it. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 9 ______________________________ _______ Time: 08:06:58 PM PST US From: Harry Weber Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh Hi Buz: Would you mind forwarding the POH to me also. glasair98hw@comcast.n et Thanks Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ewin Paul" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:54:27 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh Thanks Nick Was that email or postal address ? Paul On 20/04/2011, at 7:39 AM, flylightning wrote: > > > > Paul, > > Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. > Let > me know if you get it. > > Thanks > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun > > > > > HI Buz > I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put > together > as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better > Thanks > Paul :) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 > > ________________________________ Message 10 _____________________________ _______ Time: 09:22:00 PM PST US From: "Helmut Frensch" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh H Wayne. I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for my brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Patterson" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh Greetings Nick Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have. Cheers from Australia Wayne Patterson TRANSFORM CAMBODIA Ph (08) 9444 1135 Fax (08) 9443 5203 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Lightning-List: poh Paul, Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let me know if you get it. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 11 _____________________________ _______ Time: 09:30:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh From: "Wayne Patterson" Certainly please Helmut! Wayne Patterson TRANSFORM CAMBODIA Ph (08) 9444 1135 Fax (08) 9443 5203 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh H Wayne. I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for my brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Patterson" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh Greetings Nick Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have. Cheers from Australia Wayne Patterson TRANSFORM CAMBODIA Ph (08) 9444 1135 Fax (08) 9443 5203 -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Lightning-List: poh Paul, Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let me know if you get it. Thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun HI Buz I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put together as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better Thanks Paul :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 ________________________________ Message 12 _____________________________ _______ Time: 10:11:43 PM PST US From: "Helmut Frensch" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh Wayne document attached. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Patterson" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh > > Certainly please Helmut! > > Wayne Patterson > TRANSFORM CAMBODIA > Ph (08) 9444 1135 > Fax (08) 9443 5203 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut > Frensch > Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:19 PM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: poh > > > > H Wayne. > I have a modified vesion for Australia which I did for > my > brothers lightning if you are interested. I am also over half way to > finishng another lightning for a friend. Not far away from painting. > > Cheers Helmut. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne Patterson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:49 AM > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: poh > > > Greetings Nick > Could you sent it to my email as well please. I'm still about 4 months > away from first flight but I'd like to read the POH you have. > Cheers from Australia > > Wayne Patterson > TRANSFORM CAMBODIA > Ph (08) 9444 1135 > Fax (08) 9443 5203 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > flylightning > Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:40 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: poh > > > > Paul, > > Just sent it to your address, tried the list but file was too large. Let > me know if you get it. > > Thanks > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ple190 > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:44 PM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Sun N Fun > > > HI Buz > I would really appreciate a copy of the Lightning POH that you put > together > as I will be test flying soon and the more info the better > Thanks > Paul :) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337530#337530 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Airflow splitter for EGTs From: "James, Clive R" This looks interesting and thanks for sharing it. The WOT uneven running on my Esqual's 3300 went away with a smooth bend though I've never moved to the next step, chasing EGT's. I had always wondered if the place for the 'straightening device' was in a straight line to the carb. In industrial flow measurement we always have the straightening bundle after the bend in a straight line to the measuring device. The bundle is usually just that, a bundle of tubes inside the pipe, that would be the most efficient way of straightening the flow but in our case would be a little restrictive of airflow unless the tubes could be really thin (like drinking straws). Unfortunately there is no space for the fibreglass tube on the Esqual and I imagine some other engine installations, though I think something of the style of this could be fashioned in the last part of the bend.. One question, does the orientation of the cross of the splitter have any effect. + or x ? Nick, have you considered, forwarding on these results to the engine lists? jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com jabiruengine-list@matronics.com given the benefit that would likely apply to many installations. Regards, Clive ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: 20 April 2011 20:06 Subject: Lightning-List: Airflow splitter for EGTs Group, For some time now Bill Browns from IL has been playing with intake splitters to even out the large Difference in EGTS from left to right bank. One of the last designs, a four way splitter, was purposed to go in the outlet tube of the Airbox to the carb. I know that Bill and a few others have testing it there with ok results. A little back story here. From day one we have always attached the SCAT hose directly to the Carb in a Lightning. The Jabiru manual says to have a clean bore tube attached to the carb than the scat hose. For one reason or another I paid no attention to this and didn't do it. Was as of late, say the last 6 planes or so out of SYI I have installed a smooth bore fiberglass tube to the carb. It does make installing the SCAT easier but did nothing for my EGTS, bummer. So I thought well why not stick the Splitter in the tube right in front of the CARB, it can't get any worse, and the air certainly can't tumble after it no room. So a test flight with out The splitter installed and just the fiberglass tube revealed EGTs as follows at WOT. Lowest was 1050 degrees and the highest was near 1400 degrees. Yep that is what we see with out the tube. Back on the ground and insert the Splitter. WOW what a difference, low EGTs now 1180 degrees and the high was 1240 degrees at WOT!!! Never seen that. Full power in level flight showed the same results. Cruise was also much better. So this is just chance right one install, cant be the same on the next plane right? Note the 2 pictures, One shows the 4 way splitter insert, and a Splitter built in to a aluminum tube. The second picture is where the smooth bore tube attaches, in this case a fiberglass tube for the insert. The splitter built in to the tube is intended to be a production style finished part with no insert. So I stuck this on the newest LS-1 we are flying. Same idea just looks better. WOW again, same results. WOT EGT low 1140 degrees, High EGT was 1220 Degrees. The rest of course in the middle. The spread was great just a little rich, so swap out the 255 main jet to a 250 main jet with better leaner temps. With the 250 main jet we see 1220 LOW egt and 1280 High EGT at full power WOT. That's outstanding in my book. So with two plane flying with identical results I think we are on to solving the uneven fuel distribution and full throttle. I have sent a few more of these out to other dealers and Lighting builders to play with ( umm test) and see what happens. We just have to find some one to build them for us, unless Bill wants to mass produce them in his basement! 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