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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/18/11 |
SUBJECT: hymenoplasty
Looks like another one of these wishful thinkers - or Florida fraudsters -
pretending the aircraft they seek to unload meets LSA requirements and can
be flown by a Sport Pilot when in fact it sure as hell cannot.
Let me make this clear to y'all again: once an aircraft has EVER been
equipped, licensed, and/or flown outside LSA limits it can NEVER be
"rehabilitated" and regain its virginity.
Obviously I do not have the paperwork on this bird in front of me nor have I
checked its placards and tach markings to see if in fact the engine was
rpm-limited at birth or the aircraft otherwise restricted below 120K max
sustained cruise. Still, all specs I have ever seen put the V-sub-H or
equivalent of the Jab 3300 Esqual at 160mph or above and even the drippy,
stinky, finicky Rotax loafs them along above 145mph ... both clearly outside
the 138 limit. Maybe OK if a 2200.
My principal regret after a satisfying career in military and civilian
aviation is how honor and tradition have evaporated and safety progress
suffered as a result of greed-driven cheating on pilot/airframe logbooks,
cheating on factory assist build programs, and the arrival of used car
salesmen making wild ass claims hoping to turn a profit or at least reduce a
loss where lives or at least certificates and major investments are at risk.
You have thousands of honest people who pre-2005 bought Champs licensed at
1350 pounds, went for the D/E Ercoupe at 1400 vs others at 1260, Luscombes
likewise, or did simple STC gross weight increases on their little two seat
trikes and taildraggers years ago putting them above 1320 who shrug, grin
and bear the lost market now but don't pretend to still be LSA eligible.
Why is it 100% of the Esqual/Lightning sale notices here lately appear
prima facie false in that respect? I think it is the compilation of little
lies effect but still inexcusable. as is Nick deriding concern about it.
These may well be wonderful airplanes and a good value for the private pilot
and above, but Maximo Caveat Emptor if you are a student wisely starting
your flying career gradually on sport pilot terms or a geezer seeking to
extend and finish out one without risking another iffy medical. Don't just
glance at the paperwork but have FSDO or a DAR review it for SP excedances
that could ground both it and you. Unless you're OK owning the world's most
beautiful lawn ornament.
I would welcome documented correction, but don't anticipate it.
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:56:55:54 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server <
lightning-list@obsolete.matronics.com> wrote:
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> From: FamilyGage@AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: A beauty for sale
>
> 2005 Esqual- ...This plane meets all Light Sport requirements, Jabiru
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/18/11 |
Last I checked, you failed to comment on my reply to your previous e-mail on
the list that went along the same lines.
It gets repetitive, you know.
Still waiting for that apology.
Max
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:46 AM, ... <avn100@aol.com> wrote:
> SUBJECT: hymenoplasty
>
> Looks like another one of these wishful thinkers - or Florida fraudsters -
> pretending the aircraft they seek to unload meets LSA requirements and can
> be flown by a Sport Pilot when in fact it sure as hell cannot.
> Let me make this clear to y'all again: once an aircraft has EVER been
> equipped, licensed, and/or flown outside LSA limits it can NEVER be
> "rehabilitated" and regain its virginity.
>
> Obviously I do not have the paperwork on this bird in front of me nor have
> I checked its placards and tach markings to see if in fact the engine was
> rpm-limited at birth or the aircraft otherwise restricted below 120K max
> sustained cruise. Still, all specs I have ever seen put the V-sub-H or
> equivalent of the Jab 3300 Esqual at 160mph or above and even the drippy,
> stinky, finicky Rotax loafs them along above 145mph ... both clearly outside
> the 138 limit. Maybe OK if a 2200.
> My principal regret after a satisfying career in military and civilian
> aviation is how honor and tradition have evaporated and safety progress
> suffered as a result of greed-driven cheating on pilot/airframe logbooks,
> cheating on factory assist build programs, and the arrival of used car
> salesmen making wild ass claims hoping to turn a profit or at least reduce a
> loss where lives or at least certificates and major investments are at risk.
>
> You have thousands of honest people who pre-2005 bought Champs licensed at
> 1350 pounds, went for the D/E Ercoupe at 1400 vs others at 1260, Luscombes
> likewise, or did simple STC gross weight increases on their little two seat
> trikes and taildraggers years ago putting them above 1320 who shrug, grin
> and bear the lost market now but don't pretend to still be LSA eligible.
> Why is it 100% of the Esqual/Lightning sale notices here lately appear
> prima facie false in that respect? I think it is the compilation of little
> lies effect but still inexcusable. as is Nick deriding concern about it.
>
> These may well be wonderful airplanes and a good value for the private
> pilot and above, but Maximo Caveat Emptor if you are a student wisely
> starting your flying career gradually on sport pilot terms or a geezer
> seeking to extend and finish out one without risking another iffy medical.
> Don't just glance at the paperwork but have FSDO or a DAR review it for SP
> excedances that could ground both it and you. Unless you're OK owning the
> world's most beautiful lawn ornament.
>
> I would welcome documented correction, but don't anticipate it.
>
>
> ===============
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:56:55:54 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server <
> lightning-list@obsolete.matronics.com> wrote:
>
>> *
>>
>> From: FamilyGage@AOL.COM
>> Subject: Lightning-List: A beauty for sale
>>
>> 2005 Esqual- ...This plane meets all Light Sport requirements,
>> Jabiru
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/18/11 |
Who you calling a "geezer"???
On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:46 AM, ... wrote:
> SUBJECT: hymenoplasty
>
> Looks like another one of these wishful thinkers - or Florida fraudsters - pretending
the aircraft they seek to unload meets LSA requirements and can be flown
by a Sport Pilot when in fact it sure as hell cannot.
> Let me make this clear to y'all again: once an aircraft has EVER been equipped,
licensed, and/or flown outside LSA limits it can NEVER be "rehabilitated"
and regain its virginity.
>
> Obviously I do not have the paperwork on this bird in front of me nor have I
checked its placards and tach markings to see if in fact the engine was rpm-limited
at birth or the aircraft otherwise restricted below 120K max sustained cruise.
Still, all specs I have ever seen put the V-sub-H or equivalent of the
Jab 3300 Esqual at 160mph or above and even the drippy, stinky, finicky Rotax
loafs them along above 145mph ... both clearly outside the 138 limit. Maybe
OK if a 2200.
> My principal regret after a satisfying career in military and civilian aviation
is how honor and tradition have evaporated and safety progress suffered as
a result of greed-driven cheating on pilot/airframe logbooks, cheating on factory
assist build programs, and the arrival of used car salesmen making wild ass
claims hoping to turn a profit or at least reduce a loss where lives or at least
certificates and major investments are at risk.
>
> You have thousands of honest people who pre-2005 bought Champs licensed at 1350
pounds, went for the D/E Ercoupe at 1400 vs others at 1260, Luscombes likewise,
or did simple STC gross weight increases on their little two seat trikes
and taildraggers years ago putting them above 1320 who shrug, grin and bear the
lost market now but don't pretend to still be LSA eligible. Why is it 100%
of the Esqual/Lightning sale notices here lately appear prima facie false in
that respect? I think it is the compilation of little lies effect but still
inexcusable. as is Nick deriding concern about it.
>
> These may well be wonderful airplanes and a good value for the private pilot
and above, but Maximo Caveat Emptor if you are a student wisely starting your
flying career gradually on sport pilot terms or a geezer seeking to extend and
finish out one without risking another iffy medical. Don't just glance at the
paperwork but have FSDO or a DAR review it for SP excedances that could ground
both it and you. Unless you're OK owning the world's most beautiful lawn
ornament.
>
> I would welcome documented correction, but don't anticipate it.
>
>
> ===============
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:56:55:54 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server <lightning-list@obsolete.matronics.com>
wrote:
> *
>
> From: FamilyGage@AOL.COM
> Subject: Lightning-List: A beauty for sale
>
> 2005 Esqual- ...This plane meets all Light Sport requirements, Jabiru
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/18/11 |
Sir:
I have no intention to mislead anyone. The information that I posted was
given to me by the builder when I purchased it. It is licensed as Amateur
Built Experimental. Weight is 1280 and the prop is 64-51 which he said met
the standard. At 1280 rpm it indicates 110 knots. Please accept my
apology.
Ray Gage
In a message dated 9/19/2011 11:59:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nylowinc@mac.com writes:
Who you calling a "geezer"???
On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:46 AM, ... wrote:
SUBJECT: hymenoplasty
Looks like another one of these wishful thinkers - or Florida fraudsters -
pretending the aircraft they seek to unload meets LSA requirements and can
be flown by a Sport Pilot when in fact it sure as hell cannot.
Let me make this clear to y'all again: once an aircraft has EVER been
equipped, licensed, and/or flown outside LSA limits it can NEVER be
"rehabilitated" and regain its virginity.
Obviously I do not have the paperwork on this bird in front of me nor have
I checked its placards and tach markings to see if in fact the engine was
rpm-limited at birth or the aircraft otherwise restricted below 120K max
sustained cruise. Still, all specs I have ever seen put the V-sub-H or
equivalent of the Jab 3300 Esqual at 160mph or above and even the drippy,
stinky, finicky Rotax loafs them along above 145mph ... both clearly outside the
138 limit. Maybe OK if a 2200.
My principal regret after a satisfying career in military and civilian
aviation is how honor and tradition have evaporated and safety progress
suffered as a result of greed-driven cheating on pilot/airframe logbooks,
cheating on factory assist build programs, and the arrival of used car salesmen
making wild ass claims hoping to turn a profit or at least reduce a loss
where lives or at least certificates and major investments are at risk.
You have thousands of honest people who pre-2005 bought Champs licensed at
1350 pounds, went for the D/E Ercoupe at 1400 vs others at 1260, Luscombes
likewise, or did simple STC gross weight increases on their little two
seat trikes and taildraggers years ago putting them above 1320 who shrug,
grin and bear the lost market now but don't pretend to still be LSA eligible.
Why is it 100% of the Esqual/Lightning sale notices here lately appear
prima facie false in that respect? I think it is the compilation of little
lies effect but still inexcusable. as is Nick deriding concern about it.
These may well be wonderful airplanes and a good value for the private
pilot and above, but Maximo Caveat Emptor if you are a student wisely starting
your flying career gradually on sport pilot terms or a geezer seeking to
extend and finish out one without risking another iffy medical. Don't just
glance at the paperwork but have FSDO or a DAR review it for SP excedances
that could ground both it and you. Unless you're OK owning the world's
most beautiful lawn ornament.
I would welcome documented correction, but don't anticipate it.
===============
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:56:55:54 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server
<_lightning-list@obsolete.matronics.com_
(mailto:lightning-list@obsolete.matronics.com) > wrote:
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From: _FamilyGage@AOL.COM_ (mailto:FamilyGage@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lightning-List: A beauty for sale
2005 Esqual- ...This plane meets all Light Sport requirements, Jabiru
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