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1. 04:09 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/20/11 (...)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Troll (Carl and Pat Beatrice)
3. 07:19 AM - Thanks, AVN (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/20/11 (J Dupont)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Thanks, AVN (Mefford, Walt)
6. 09:28 AM - News letter posted (Nick Otterback)
7. 12:12 PM - Re: Troll (mark@flylightning.net)
8. 01:54 PM - Re: News letter posted (n5pb@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/20/11 |
OK ' fifteen yard penalty for piling on. You want to start throwing out
ad
hominem attacks? Fine. You=92re all full of crap and you know it and the
reason is that unlike me, you=92re more interested in fudging the rules and
flying knife-edge through loopholes to make/save money than preserving what
little honor and tradition remains in aviation. You very nearly destroyed
experimental aviation with your phony builder assist programs and I won=92t
stand idly by while you (or AOPA or NAFI with their =93UL cowboy instructio
n
should get same dual credit toward advanced ratings as real CFI=94 petition
)
try the same thing with Sport Pilot.
BTB, WTF difference does it make who I am and how many aircraft I=92ve owne
d
except the former makes it a little harder (but not impossible) for you to
=93get even=94 with me for exposing your lies and as for the latter, I rely
on
definitions, regulations, and the FAA to determine if I am right or wrong,
not my forty years in aviation, pocketful of ratings, and dozens of owned
aircraft from two thousand to two million dollars.
Gage ' you sound like a decent guy who was careless, got suckered and onc
e
again you=92ve flown through your own wake. =93Can run the engine at 3,000
rpm
and get 125 knots. You are totally out of line=94 Doesn=92t sound like it,
Rayban. Unless your plane was built from day one with a 3300L engine=85 not
even available back then=85 this is prima facie evidence that it is not now
,
never was, and cannot ever be legally flown by a Sport Pilot and to pretend
that in your selling attempt is unethical to the max. Sue the liar that
sold it to you under false pretenses as you should be sued if you persist i
n
this ruse. I=92d normally say =93sorry=94 at this point, but not after you
r last
entry.
And speaking of the Max, same same. Give it up. You lose. No SP for you!
So Nick, unless I own a Lightning I can=92t be right? So unless I own a Sp
ace
Shuttle you=92d ignore me when I warn you not to launch on a cold morning,
that those seals aren=92t rated for it? If ANY of your kits, checkbook-ass
ist
aircraft, or LS-1 RTF were originally built/delivered with an
ungoverned/non-rev-limited 3300 engine and non-L dataplate EVEN IF IT HAS
ONE NOW, the FAA could violate a Sport Pilot flying them for that plane
currently OR PREVIOUSLY blowing the Vh limit.
If ANY of your Esquals or pre-long-wing Lightnings is flown without vortex
generators by a Sport Pilot, the FAA could violate them for blowing the
clean Vs limit.
Yeah, I=92m a =93standup=94 guy. I am selling my actual factory-built 2,0
00
gross aerobatic mount and buying a NW USA RTF 1,320gross LSA and wouldn=92t
want one of yours unless it had a tailwheel so I don=92t even have a horse
in
this race. Just trying to protect naive buyers who may be reading here and
caution previously just na=EFve, now full-fledged A-hole sellers like Gage.
Are YOU a standup guy, Nick? Will you admit those two warnings are valid?
Nah. Whadda YOU care? Not your certificate. They pays their money and the
y
takes their chances! And then there=92s your hidden agenda = if the wing
s (or
elevator trim) ever fall off on the way to the smoking hole (may it never
happen to anyone). =93Radar tracking and credible witness testimony confir
m
he knowingly exceeded SP limits in cruise, your Honor, so Arion is not
liable for the consequences.=94
Hey, Earl. DADT is in effect, You can come out of the closet now instead
of crying to mommy Mark to make me go away because I=92m right more than I
=92m
wrong and that upsets you. KMA
Mark, small congrats on being more American than Earl (faint praise there
'
takes more than a DD214 ' hell I=92ve got two of those) and now unless (p
ray
tell) you really believe the Gorky and Gagemobiles actually qualify as LSA,
just STFU.
OK, who=92s next?
Oh yeah, Wart Muffy. Thanks for jumping in you suckup sycophant. Major
valuable and relevant contribution from you there. Keep it up. Doubt you
can.
DuPont Nemours ' whatchoo talkin=92 bout, Willis? WTF is =93true ground
speed=94
at =93see=94 level and where on p.142 is it? The reg is the reg is the reg
.
I gave it to y=92all once.
Here it is again:
******
Vs1<45K CAS
[and]
since its original certification, has continued to meet a maximum airspeed
in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of not more than 120
knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea level.
******
By this point even the biggest blindest greediest haters among you must
admit the originally non 3300-L and non-vortex Esquals and Lightnings (like
the white elephants of Gage and Gorky) cannot undergo efficacious
hymenoplasty (EVER be legally flown by SP).
I=92ll leave you =933300L-from-Day-One=94 owners dialing your lawyers and
lobbyists (don=92t bother calling Nick or Mark ' they=92ll just say =93do
n=92t worry
about it=94) by pointing out that the reg does not read =93was certificated
at=94,
=93builder says=94, =93manufacturer says=94 or =93is placarded for=94 but s
eems to say
=93what will it actually do=94 and thus invites a ramp checker saying =93Do
n=92t
bullshit me, boy. Jab3300? This baby will cruise over 120 till the tanks ru
n
dry. You=92re busted.=94
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Really good answer,Mark he sounds like a lower grade school kid calling
names. Hope he fades back in the woodwork where he came from. God Bless you
and yours.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mark@flylightning.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll
>
> Sorry Earl,
>
> This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of
> the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much
> bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of
> our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter
> through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond
> from there.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark
>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/20/2011 4:05:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> voroninmax@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> From: _owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com_
>> (mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com)
>> [mailto:_owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com_
>> (mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of ...
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:40 PM
>> To: _lightning-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com)
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 09/19/11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Would the List admin please ban this and stop forwarding his rants to
>> the
>> list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Earl
>
>
>
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Since I also have two DD-214's and have owned or still own several
aircraft, perhaps I can join the party.
First, thanks for your comments. There is no question people want to
push the line as much as possible, particularly those who can no longer fl
y
using any license or rating other than Sport Pilot. It is not easy to giv
e
up the things your love because of advancing age. I suspect you know the
feeling. Your opinion is that the line has been crossed and thus the
bathtub has been pissed in. I think we get it....but dont agree.
I could explain to you that you are a bit heavy with the language you use,
and that when people feel attacked, they tend to fight back in kind. But
you already know that. I could explain a whole bunch of stuff, but I'm
sure you dont want to hear it. You made your mind up a couple years ago a
nd
have no interest in what we might say.
But thanks for putting a little hot sauce into the Lightning list. And
yes, I am much less of a man than you are, so dont feel you have to point
that out, not to mention my lack of flying skills. You did that before.
Meantime, Arion Lightnings continue to increase in numbers and ply the
skies at 120 knots while sipping 5 gph with electronics airlines dream of.
Its all good.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 9/21/2011 7:10:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
avn100@AOL.COM writes:
OK =93 fifteen yard penalty for piling on. You want to start throwin
g out
ad hominem attacks? Fine. You=99re all full of crap and you know i
t and the
reason is that unlike me, you=99re more interested in fudging the ru
les and
flying knife-edge through loopholes to make/save money than preserving wha
t
little honor and tradition remains in aviation. You very nearly destroyed
experimental aviation with your phony builder assist programs and I won
=99t
stand idly by while you (or AOPA or NAFI with their =9CUL cowboy ins
truction
should get same dual credit toward advanced ratings as real CFI=9D p
etition)
try the same thing with Sport Pilot.
BTB, WTF difference does it make who I am and how many aircraft I=99v
e owned
except the former makes it a little harder (but not impossible) for you to
=9Cget even=9D with me for exposing your lies and as for the la
tter, I rely on
definitions, regulations, and the FAA to determine if I am right or wrong,
not my forty years in aviation, pocketful of ratings, and dozens of owned
aircraft from two thousand to two million dollars.
Gage =93 you sound like a decent guy who was careless, got suckered a
nd once
again you=99ve flown through your own wake. =9CCan run the engi
ne at 3,000
rpm and get 125 knots. You are totally out of line=9D Doesn=99
t sound like it,
Rayban. Unless your plane was built from day one with a 3300L engine
not
even available back then this is prima facie evidence that it is
not now,
never was, and cannot ever be legally flown by a Sport Pilot and to preten
d
that in your selling attempt is unethical to the max. Sue the liar that
sold it to you under false pretenses as you should be sued if you persist
in
this ruse. I=99d normally say =9Csorry=9D at this point,
but not after your
last entry.
And speaking of the Max, same same. Give it up. You lose. No SP for you!
So Nick, unless I own a Lightning I can=99t be right? So unless I ow
n a
Space Shuttle you=99d ignore me when I warn you not to launch on a co
ld morning,
that those seals aren=99t rated for it? If ANY of your kits,
checkbook-assist aircraft, or LS-1 RTF were originally built/delivered with
an
ungoverned/non-rev-limited 3300 engine and non-L dataplate EVEN IF IT HAS O
NE NOW,
the FAA could violate a Sport Pilot flying them for that plane currently O
R
PREVIOUSLY blowing the Vh limit.
If ANY of your Esquals or pre-long-wing Lightnings is flown without vortex
generators by a Sport Pilot, the FAA could violate them for blowing the
clean Vs limit.
Yeah, I=99m a =9Cstandup=9D guy. I am selling my actual
factory-built 2,000
gross aerobatic mount and buying a NW USA RTF 1,320gross LSA and wouldn
=99t
want one of yours unless it had a tailwheel so I don=99t even have a
horse in
this race. Just trying to protect naive buyers who may be reading here an
d
caution previously just na=C3=AFve, now full-fledged A-hole sellers like G
age.
Are YOU a standup guy, Nick? Will you admit those two warnings are valid?
Nah. Whadda YOU care? Not your certificate. They pays their money and
they takes their chances! And then there=99s your hidden agenda =
if the wings
(or elevator trim) ever fall off on the way to the smoking hole (may it
never happen to anyone). =9CRadar tracking and credible witness tes
timony
confirm he knowingly exceeded SP limits in cruise, your Honor, so Arion is
not
liable for the consequences.=9D
Hey, Earl. DADT is in effect, You can come out of the closet now instead
of crying to mommy Mark to make me go away because I=99m right more
than I=99
m wrong and that upsets you. KMA
Mark, small congrats on being more American than Earl (faint praise there
=93
takes more than a DD214 =93 hell I=99ve got two of those) and
now unless
(pray tell) you really believe the Gorky and Gagemobiles actually qualify
as
LSA, just STFU.
OK, who=99s next?
Oh yeah, Wart Muffy. Thanks for jumping in you suckup sycophant. Major
valuable and relevant contribution from you there. Keep it up. Doubt you
can.
DuPont Nemours =93 whatchoo talkin=99 bout, Willis? WTF is
=9Ctrue ground speed
=9D at =9Csee=9D level and where on p.142 is it? The reg
is the reg is the
reg.
I gave it to y=99all once.
Here it is again:
******
Vs1<45K CAS
[and]
since its original certification, has continued to meet a maximum airspeed
in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of not more than 120
knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea level.
******
By this point even the biggest blindest greediest haters among you must
admit the originally non 3300-L and non-vortex Esquals and Lightnings (like
the white elephants of Gage and Gorky) cannot undergo efficacious
hymenoplasty (EVER be legally flown by SP).
I=99ll leave you =9C3300L-from-Day-One=9D owners dialing
your lawyers and
lobbyists (don=99t bother calling Nick or Mark =93 they
=99ll just say =9Cdon=99t worry
about it=9D) by pointing out that the reg does not read =9Cwas
certificated at=9D,
=9Cbuilder says=9D, =9Cmanufacturer says=9D or
=9Cis placarded for=9D but seems to
say =9Cwhat will it actually do=9D and thus invites a ramp che
cker saying =9CDon=99
t bullshit me, boy. Jab3300? This baby will cruise over 120 till the tanks
run dry. You=99re busted.=9D
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/20/11 |
avn100(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>
>
> DuPont Nemours whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? WTF is true ground speed
> at see level and where on p.142 is it? The reg is the reg is the reg
I never talked about true ground speed at sea level.
I talked about :
1. the 120 knots limit at sea level.
2. true ground speed at altitude.
Two very different things. And my post was very simple, really.
The Reg does not bother with the speed the aircraft can reach at altitude, only
the speed at sea level. The reg is the reg is the reg.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352854#352854
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| Subject: | News letter posted |
The September news letter has been posted. 1 time saving article on building your
canopy, and another on brake line install. Several good articles from Bernardo
on building tips and modifications.
Don't forget about the lightning open house October 1st!
Nick
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** snip** "just STFU"
Wow David, you really zinged me good with that one. And TWO DD214's! Well
congratulations. I only have one so I guess that will have to suffice.
Regards,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: News letter posted |
See you at the open house...
Bear
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:28 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: News letter posted
The September news letter has been posted. 1 time saving article on buildin
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our canopy, and another on brake line install. Several good articles from
ernardo on building tips and modifications.
Don't forget about the lightning open house October 1st!
Nick
Sent from my iPhone
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