---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/22/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:31 AM - New Member / Partner/ airplane Wanted (reelbelivers) 2. 06:32 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/21/11 (...) 3. 08:10 AM - Troll (EAFerguson@AOL.COM) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: Troll (Mefford, Walt) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Troll (James, Clive R) 6. 08:57 AM - Re: Troll (Bernard Melendez, Jr.) 7. 09:07 AM - Re: Troll (Bernard Melendez, Jr.) 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Troll (Matt Dralle) 9. 09:22 AM - Re: Troll (Nick Otterback) 10. 09:55 AM - Re: Troll (James, Clive R) 11. 10:11 AM - Re: Troll (Nick Otterback) 12. 10:24 AM - Re: Troll (J.D. Stewart - Adventure Boat Rentals) 13. 10:37 AM - Re: Troll (George Gennuso) 14. 11:06 AM - Re: oil pressure and hydraulic tappets (James, Clive R) 15. 11:23 AM - Re: oil pressure and hydraulic tappets (Mefford, Walt) 16. 11:54 AM - Re: oil pressure and hydraulic tappets (James, Clive R) 17. 12:20 PM - Re: Troll (Bernard Melendez, Jr.) 18. 12:28 PM - Re: Troll (Bernard Melendez, Jr.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:08 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: New Member / Partner/ airplane Wanted From: "reelbelivers" I am looking to get back flying after off for 5 years. I have ATP but will not have a medical, it was not denied or revoked. I am looking for information on LSA or ELSA's which I might qualify for, have not kept up with GA or EAA news the past several years, but did go to Sun n Fun the past year and looked and several Light Sports. I am looking for 2 or so partners for an LSA to be based in SUA. Stuart, FL. Any info is appreciated. Rob [/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352942#352942 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:50 AM PST US From: "..." Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/21/11 1 Beatrice Welcome aboard the Head-In-The-Sand-(or Up Elsewhere)-Express to Carl and Pat who not only contribute NOTHING to the discussion and in classic WE.GOT.OURS.TO.HELL.WITH.YOU fashion could care less about future buyers of used aircraft who might get screwed... but additionally now declare that god is on their side and that of anyone who disagrees with me. Couple of winners there. 2 Kayberg: I hope I never said I was half the man or pilot you or Earl and certainly not Buz are. I'm not. Just your risking at least opprobrium (look it up, Beatrices. Fourth grade stuff) and potentially mob revenge establishes your cred. I'll say it again: I'm just trying to preserve some shred of the honor and tradition I found and benefitted from in USA GA post WW2 and to excoriate DELIBERATE misinformation by warning some readers of potential pitfalls in their particular situations. How I choose to express those FACTS for my own entertainment (and according to backchannel support the entertainment of a few bemused others) is up to me. 3 Nemours You whine today: I never talked about true ground speed at sea level. Previously you talked about both.... see "see" level ... plus there is no such thing as true ground speed at altitude anyway. Your phrase (for aviation purposes) is invented and wholly unnecessary. Ground speed is ground speed, no? ALWAYS true, actual. Ground speed is the vector sum of TAS and wind speed/direction. Has comparatively NOTHING to do with aircraft performance, just ETA that day, Jesus, the lengths you people will go trying to prove me wrong. You could. I sometimes am. But this SP eligibility stuff ain't one of those times and neither am I wrong exposing fraud - deliberate or unintentional / by individuals or manufacturers - to protect others. And how many times do I have to quote the regs that LSA limits are CAS sea level standard? You merely muddy the waters, display a keen grasp of the obvious, and make stuff up here: Time: 07:26:21 AM PST US From: "J Dupont" "The FAA is well aware that the same aircraft can have a faster true ground speed at altitude" 4. Hi Mark, Love you too. Sticks and stones. Actions speak louder than words. Your words suck but your actions are honorable. More than I can say for the rest of this flock of Harpies. And no Beatrices - I didn't just claim you had an STD (true or not). ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:58 AM PST US From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, Mark If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission thereof. Earl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:09 AM PST US From: "Mefford, Walt" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll The best thing that you all can do is not to respond. Walt Mefford GARMIN AT Team Lead, Manufacturing Test Engineering (503) 391-3343 walt.mefford@garmin.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CC7901.F52FCAE0] N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning- list@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, Mark If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission the reof. Earl ________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, p lease be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e- mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in e rror, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:04 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll From: "James, Clive R" Aha, I wonder how long it would take someone to figure that out! He's been playing you like a trout on a line....:-)) From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mefford, Walt Sent: 22 September 2011 16:31 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll The best thing that you all can do is not to respond. Walt Mefford GARMIN AT Team Lead, Manufacturing Test Engineering (503) 391-3343 walt.mefford@garmin.com N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, Mark If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission thereof. 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Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:05 AM PST US From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll I agree with you, Earl. Please, someone more techie than I am, start a Yaho o group. Someone that can monitor the list. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, EAFerguson@AOL.COM wrote: From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Da ylight Time, =0Alightning-list@matronics.com writes:=0ATime: =0A 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: =0A mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor =0A like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo =0A based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's =0A the right that you and I served the majorit y of our lives for to maintain =0A whether we agree or not. It's our duty to fi lter through the diatribe based =0A on our own knowledge and experience and res pond from there. Best =0A regards, Mark =0A=0AIf Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go =0Aelse where.=0A-=0AThe Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the t =========================0A ========0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:38 AM PST US From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll =C2-A pissing contest! I thought about telling him how knowledgeable and correct he is, and how nobody else knows diddly about this subject. And how we should all listen and learn from him, but I decided, "Eh, why bother?". I just wanted to see who the winner of the biggest and farthest stream was going to be. Now on to my regularly scheduled program. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, James, Clive R wrote: From: James, Clive R Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll Aha, I wonder how long it would take someone to figure that out! =C2-He =99s been playing you like a trout on a line.:-)) =C2-From : owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-se rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mefford, Walt Sent: 22 September 2011 16:31 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll =C2-The best thing that you all can do is not to respond. =C2- =C2-Walt MeffordGARMIN ATTeam Lead, Manufactur ing Test Engineering(503) 391-3343walt.mefford@garmin.comN881WP =C2- =C2 - =C2-From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lig htning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll =C2-In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A .M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes:Time: 09:37: 49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, MarkIf Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere .=C2-The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmiss ion thereof.=C2-Earl =C2- =C2-============= ==========p;=C2-=C2-=C2- - The Lightning-List Ema il Forum -avigator to browseist Un/Subscription,Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,:p>p: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Lightning-List================== =====p;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONI CS WEB FORUMS -via the Web Forums!p://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com===================== ==p;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - List Contribution Web Site - support!p;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution================= ====== =C2- =C2-This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you a re not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact th e sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:41 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll avn100@aol.com has been removed and blocked from posting at the Matronics Sites. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. At 08:06 AM 9/22/2011 Thursday, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes: >Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US >Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll >From: mark@flylightning.net > > >Sorry Earl, > >This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of >the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much >bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of >our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter >through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond >from there. > >Best regards, > >Mark > >If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. > >The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission thereof. > >Earl Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:37 AM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll He has been blocked from the list Nick Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:04 PM, "Bernard Melendez, Jr." wrot e: > A pissing contest! I thought about telling him how knowledgeable and corr ect he is, and how nobody else knows diddly about this subject. And how we s hould all listen and learn from him, but I decided, "Eh, why bother?". > I just wanted to see who the winner of the biggest and farthest stream was going to be. Now on to my regularly scheduled program. > Bernardo > > --- On Thu, 9/22/11, James, Clive R wrote: > > From: James, Clive R > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Aha, I wonder how long it would take someone to figure that out! > > > > He=99s been playing you like a trout on a line.:-)) > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mefford, Walt > Sent: 22 September 2011 16:31 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll > > > > The best thing that you all can do is not to respond. > > > > > > Walt Mefford > > GARMIN AT > > Team Lead, Manufacturing Test Engineering > > (503) 391-3343 > > walt.mefford@garmin.com > > > > N881WP > > > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@AOL.COM > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:06 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Troll > > > > In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning -list@matronics.com writes: > > Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll > From: mark@flylightning.net > > > Sorry Earl, > > This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of > the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much > bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of > our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter > through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond > from there. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. > > > > The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission th ereof. > > > > Earl > > > > ====================== > > p; - The Lightning-List Email Forum - > > avigator to browse > > ist Un/Subscription, > > Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > > :p> > > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Lightning-List > > ====================== > > p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > via the Web Forums! > > p://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ====================== > > p; - List Contribution Web Site - > > support! > > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ====================== > > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, pl ease be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-ma il or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in erro r, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll From: "James, Clive R" Pete was always dead against Yahoo as it used to Spamalot, though I never got any, I did notice he's been posting on it of late. Matronics you get spam from the guy who keeps telling you the rules but you can send attachments, you can't (as yet) do that on Yahoo. Regards, Clive Esqual Grounded due to hyd lifter engine woes...valves not closing and so no compression, anyone seen that in their lightning or Esqual? Problem seems to be lifters are a bit too keen on taking up the slack... From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: 22 September 2011 16:54 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll I agree with you, Earl. Please, someone more techie than I am, start a Yahoo group. Someone that can monitor the list. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, EAFerguson@AOL.COM wrote: From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, Mark If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission thereof. Earl href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Light ning-List">http://www.matro"nofollow " target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://fo========= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: Nick Otterback Clive, What are u getting for oil pressure in cruise, some of the early hyd engine w ill get the valves held open by high oil pressure Nick Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "James, Clive R" wrote : > Pete was always dead against Yahoo as it used to Spamalot, though I never g ot any, I did notice he=99s been posting on it of late. > > Matronics you get spam from the guy who keeps telling you the rules but yo u can send attachments, you can=99t (as yet) do that on Yahoo. > > > > Regards, Clive > > Esqual Grounded due to hyd lifter engine woesvalves not closing a nd so no compression, anyone seen that in their lightning or Esqual? > > Problem seems to be lifters are a bit too keen on taking up the slack > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. > Sent: 22 September 2011 16:54 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll > > > > I agree with you, Earl. Please, someone more techie than I am, start a Yah oo group. Someone that can monitor the list. > Bernardo > > --- On Thu, 9/22/11, EAFerguson@AOL.COM wrote: > > > From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM > Subject: Lightning-List: Troll > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:06 AM > > In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning -list@matronics.com writes: > > Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll > From: mark@flylightning.net > > > Sorry Earl, > > This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of > the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much > bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of > our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter > through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond > from there. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. > > > > The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission th ereof. > > > > Earl > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matro"nofoll ow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://fo=== ====== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:48 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart - Adventure Boat Rentals" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll Just to clarify, you CAN send attachments to the list if the owner/moderators set it up that way. As the owner of 5 Yahoo lists I don't, because it's too easy for someone to unknowlingly send a 9MB file or worse yet, a virus. There are sections of the list for both files and photos so they can be put there instead. There are options to moderate all new subscribers (until you get to know they're not spammers) and to moderate the ones who cause trouble. In any case, it's a moot point since Matt took care of the problem. J.D. Stewart YahooGroups FlyChallenger and TitanAircraft lists, along with a few others. Lightning fan, and hopefull owner someday. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll Pete was always dead against Yahoo as it used to Spamalot, though I never got any, I did notice he's been posting on it of late. Matronics you get spam from the guy who keeps telling you the rules but you can send attachments, you can't (as yet) do that on Yahoo. Regards, Clive Esqual Grounded due to hyd lifter engine woes.valves not closing and so no compression, anyone seen that in their lightning or Esqual? Problem seems to be lifters are a bit too keen on taking up the slack. From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: 22 September 2011 16:54 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll I agree with you, Earl. Please, someone more techie than I am, start a Yahoo group. Someone that can monitor the list. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, EAFerguson@AOL.COM wrote: From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes: Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. Best regards, Mark If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission thereof. Earl http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matro"nofollow " target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://fo========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:05 AM PST US From: George Gennuso Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll Your both right.=C2- Never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes =0Ait.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "J ames, Clive R" =0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thu, September 22, 2011 8:45:06 AM=0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll=0A=0A=0AAha, I wonder how long it would take someone to figure that o ut! =0A=C2-=0AHe=99s been playing you like a trout on a line .:-))=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mail to:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mefford, Walt=0A Sent: 22 September 2011 16:31=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll=0A=C2-=0AThe best thing that you all can do is not to respond.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AWalt Mefford=0AGARMIN AT=0ATeam Lead, Manufacturing Test Engineering=0A(503) 391-3343=0Awalt.mefford@garmin.com =0AN881WP=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server@mat ronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0AEAFerguson@AOL.COM=0ASent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:06 AM=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Troll=0A=C2-=0AI n a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0Alightnin g-list@matronics.com writes:=0ATime: 09:37:49 PM PST US=0A>Subject: Re: Lig htning-List: Troll=0A>From: mark@flylightning.net=0A>=0A>=0A>Sorry Earl,=0A >=0A>This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of=0A>the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much=0A>bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the maj ority of=0A>our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. 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Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Matt Dralle wrote: From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll avn100@aol.com has been removed and blocked from posting at the Matronics S ites. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. At 08:06 AM 9/22/2011- Thursday, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/21/2011 2:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning -list@matronics.com writes: >Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US >Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll >From: mark@flylightning.net > > >Sorry Earl, > >This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of >the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much >bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of >our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter >through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond >from there. > >Best regards, > >Mark > >If Matronics can't or won't police their lists, we need to go elsewhere. > >The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but not the transmission th ereof. > >Earl Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:06 PM PST US From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll Hi Clive, Not so sure about that. I belong to the Corby Starlet Yahoo list and very, very seldom get any spam, if ever on that list. Never had problems posting attachments either. Oh, well. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, James, Clive R wrote: From: James, Clive R Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Troll Pete was always dead against Yahoo as it used to Spamalot, though I never g ot any, I did notice he=99s been posting on it of late.Matronics you get spam from the guy who keeps telling you the rules but you can send atta chments, you can=99t (as yet) do that on Yahoo. =C2-Regards, CliveE squal Grounded due to hyd lifter engine woesvalves not closing and so no compression, anyone seen that in their lightning or Esqual?Problem s eems to be lifters are a bit too keen on taking up the slack =C2 - =C2-From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lig htning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: 22 September 2011 16:54 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll =C2-I agree with you, Earl. Please, so meone more techie than I am, start a Yahoo group. Someone that can monitor the list. Bernardo --- On Thu, 9/22/11, EAFerguson@AOL.COM wrote: From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Troll 59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list@matronics.com writes:Time: 09:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Troll From: mark@flylightning.net Sorry Earl, This list doesn't censor like other lists (such as the failed attempt of the poster to start a Yahoo based group). He has the right to spew as much bullshit as he wants. It's the right that you and I served the majority of our lives for to maintain whether we agree or not. It's our duty to filter through the diatribe based on our own knowledge and experience and respond from there. 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