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Sun 02/19/12


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     1. 02:15 PM - Hydraulic lifter info (James, Clive R)
     2. 02:16 PM - Hydraulic or solid.... (James, Clive R)
     3. 11:19 PM - Re: JabiruEngine-List: Hydraulic or solid.... (Carl Meek)
     4. 11:40 PM - Oil circuit?  (James, Clive R)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:15:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Hydraulic lifter info
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    See below, there is one diagram which you can clearly see why they ground a slot on the bottom of one end of the push rod... Regards, Clive From: jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 19 February 2012 20:01 Subject: [jabiruengines] Re: Ticking noise For a good article and photos on how hydraulic lifters work, have a look at: http://www.ratwell.com/technical/HydraulicLifters.html Written for VW engines which are very similar to the Jabiru but not identical, so note that some parts don't apply. Nick __._,_.___ Reply to sender <mailto:nickgeh@eircom.net?subject=Re%3A%20Ticking%20noise> | Reply to group <mailto:jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Ticking%20noise> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcnNoMjc0 B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BG1zZ0lkAzM5O DY4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMyOTY4MTY3MQ--?act=reply&messageNu m =39868> | Start a New Topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldm5uM2tw B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwNmdHIEc 2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMyOTY4MTY3MQ--> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/message/39867;_ylc=X3oDMTM 2 aDdldTg4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BG1z Z0lkAzM5ODY4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMyOTY4MTY3MQR0cGNJZAMzOTg2 Nw--> (2) Recent Activity: * New Members <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaDcxb D F0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwN2dG wEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEzMjk2ODE2NzE-?o=6> 4 * New Photos <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbW1tMTd 2 BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwN2dGwE c2xrA3ZwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEzMjk2ODE2NzE-> 13 * New Files <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZW5oZmZ p BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwN2dGwE c2xrA3ZmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMzI5NjgxNjcx> 2 Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jabiruengines;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbGxpcm9rBF9TA z k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3 ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMyOTY4MTY3MQ--> Yahoo! Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkc3R0c3JrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElk A zI3NzI3ODIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NjE4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzI5N jgxNjcx> Switch to: Text-Only <mailto:jabiruengines-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Deli v ery%20Format:%20Traditional> , Daily Digest <mailto:jabiruengines-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:% 2 0Digest> * Unsubscribe <mailto:jabiruengines-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2772782/grpspId=1705065 618/m sgId=39868/stime=1329681671/nc1=4507179/nc2=4767085/nc3=3848641 > __,_._,___


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    Time: 02:16:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Hydraulic or solid....
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    2 - Positive Valve Opening. Even at lower revs a hydraulically operated valve suffers from a "soft and soggy" opening operation. By replacing this with a positive mechanical lift, a more precise motion is achieved. This leads to a faster change in manifold vacuum, greater gas speed and .........more power! 3 - Predictable Operation. Hydraulic lifters are subjected to large and frequent variations in oil pressure and temperature. Solid lifters are a known quantity that simplify valve operation and remove such variables. 4 - Weight and friction reduction. A solid lifter is 10% lighter than it's hydraulic counterpart, and given the overall weight of CVH valve train, this is an important bonus. Any loss of weight in this area will help with engine efficiency and life expectancy. Also, a hydraulic lifter exerts a constant pressure to the total circumference of each lobe base circle resulting in a certain amount of drag. A solid lifter does not contact the camshaft base circle, so internal friction is reduced. Remind me why they changed them?


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    Time: 11:19:10 PM PST US
    From: Carl Meek <carlmeek@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Hydraulic or solid....
    Having owned both, and discussing this with 3 other owners at our field, I a m happier with my current solid lifter engine. My previous engine always ran very hot oil temps (from new to 150 hours) despite many attempts to rectify . Oil was always very dark, even 1 flight after oil change. All solid lifter engines on the field ran cooler. To do with hydraulic lifters? Not sure.... But that's what we all blame. Sent from my iPhone On 19 Feb 2012, at 22:15, "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com> wrote: > 2 - Positive Valve Opening. Even at lower revs a hydraulically operated va lve suffers from a =9Csoft and soggy=9D opening operation. By r eplacing this with a positive mechanical lift, a more precise motion is achi eved. This leads to a faster change in manifold vacuum, greater gas speed an d ...more power! > > 3 - Predictable Operation. Hydraulic lifters are subjected to large and fr equent variations in oil pressure and temperature. Solid lifters are a known quantity that simplify valve operation and remove such variables. > > 4 - Weight and friction reduction. A solid lifter is 10% lighter than it's hydraulic counterpart, and given the overall weight of CVH valve train, thi s is an important bonus. Any loss of weight in this area will help with engi ne efficiency and life expectancy. Also, a hydraulic lifter exerts a constan t pressure to the total circumference of each lobe base circle resulting in a certain amount of drag. A solid lifter does not contact the camshaft base c ircle, so internal friction is reduced. > > Remind me why they changed them? > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 11:40:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Oil circuit?
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
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