---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/15/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Leaked photos from the top secret files (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM) 2. 04:29 AM - Re: Leaked photos from the top secret files (Nick Otterback) 3. 05:13 AM - Re: Leaked photos from the top secret files (Mark Stauffer) 4. 05:28 AM - Re: Leaked photos from the top secret files (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 5. 07:36 AM - Re: Leaked photos from the top secret files (Rick Bowen) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides (Jabiru Chile) 7. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides (Tex Mantell) 8. 11:59 AM - putting things in perspective (Tex Mantell) 9. 02:02 PM - Re: putting things in perspective (Pete Krotje) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:50 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Leaked photos from the top secret files Hey Nick: So how does it fly? Does the increased size provide the additional stability you were looking for? ( Your earlier picture proves it can kill bugs) Lynn OBTW what is the status of the wheel pant? In a message dated 3/14/2012 10:10:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vettin74@yahoo.com writes: Whats the rest of the picture? Come to Sun N Fun to find out. Sent from my pocket (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:45 AM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Leaked photos from the top secret files Wheel pant will be shipped today its finished. I can neither confirm nor deny that it might do other than kill bugs. But if i had to make a determination it would be that possibly it is what you thin k and may do what it was designed to. Nick Sent from my pocket On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:08 AM, IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM wrote: > Hey Nick: So how does it fly? Does the increased size provide the addition al stability you were looking for? ( Your earlier picture proves it can kill bugs) > Lynn > OBTW what is the status of the wheel pant? > > In a message dated 3/14/2012 10:10:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vettin74 @yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > Whats the rest of the picture? Come to Sun N Fun to find out. > > Sent from my pocket > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/ cont=============== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:37 AM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Leaked photos from the top secret files You may have a promising career as a presidential press secretary or Watergate litigator.. =9CI can neither confirm nor deny that it might do other than kill bugs. But if I had to make a determination it would be that possibly it is what you think and may do what it was designed to=9D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:27 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Leaked photos from the top secret files One thing I know is that either as a part or as a whole, it is one beautiful airplane. As we used to say in the USAF Tactical Air Command/Air Combat Command IG business after a well done inspection, it is "Best seen to date". Great job Arion team. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 3/15/2012 7:30:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vettin74@yahoo.com writes: Wheel pant will be shipped today its finished. I can neither confirm nor deny that it might do other than kill bugs. But if i had to make a determination it would be that possibly it is what you think and may do what it was designed to. Nick Sent from my pocket On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:08 AM, _IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM_ (mailto:IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM) wrote: Hey Nick: So how does it fly? Does the increased size provide the additional stability you were looking for? ( Your earlier picture proves it can kill bugs) Lynn OBTW what is the status of the wheel pant? In a message dated 3/14/2012 10:10:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _vettin74@yahoo.com_ (mailto:vettin74@yahoo.com) writes: Whats the rest of the picture? Come to Sun N Fun to find out. Sent from my pocket _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) _http://www.matronics.com/cont=============== _ (http://forums.msp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Rick From: mark@flylightning.net Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Leaked photos from the top secret files You may have a promising career as a presidential press secretary or Waterg ate litigator=85.. =93I can neither confirm nor deny that it might do other than kill bugs. Bu t if I had to make a determination it would be that possibly it is what you think and may do what it was designed to=94 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:49 AM PST US From: "Jabiru Chile" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides Hi Group, We found the same problem here in a 6 cylinder engine with about 80 hours of use, last year. We send the engine back to Australia for inspection, and the guides were changed to the correct size. Christian Tannen Jabiru Chile -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de Tex Mantell Enviado el: martes, 13 de marzo de 2012 8:31 Para: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com; lightning-list@matronics.com Asunto: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides Nick, thanks for the info. Have come to the same conclusion that the guides were oversize for all the cylinders wore the same. Again thanks for the info. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: "xair899" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:59 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides > --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "xair899" > > Tex, > Here in the UK guides were found "worn" at less than 50hrs. Careful > measurement showed they were exactly 7.50mm bore, where the standard guide > should be 7.05mm. Looks suspiciously like human error! > Once the batch passed through the system, that particular problem went > away. Not sure what serial number engines were affected. > The majority of the oil fed to the heads is dumped on the inlet valve > rather than the exhaust which really needs it. Try to persuade it to go > where it would do more good - see Jabiru info on French site "Contrails" > for some ideas. > > Nick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368330#368330 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:31 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides Thank You for the reply TEX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jabiru Chile" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides > > Hi Group, > We found the same problem here in a 6 cylinder engine with about 80 hours > of > use, last year. We send the engine back to Australia for inspection, and > the > guides were changed to the correct size. > > > Christian Tannen > Jabiru Chile > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de Tex > Mantell > Enviado el: martes, 13 de marzo de 2012 8:31 > Para: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com; lightning-list@matronics.com > Asunto: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides > > > > Nick, thanks for the info. Have come to the same conclusion that the > guides > were oversize for all the cylinders wore the same. Again thanks for the > info. Tex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "xair899" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:59 AM > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides > > >> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "xair899" >> >> Tex, >> Here in the UK guides were found "worn" at less than 50hrs. Careful >> measurement showed they were exactly 7.50mm bore, where the standard >> guide > >> should be 7.05mm. Looks suspiciously like human error! >> Once the batch passed through the system, that particular problem went >> away. Not sure what serial number engines were affected. >> The majority of the oil fed to the heads is dumped on the inlet valve >> rather than the exhaust which really needs it. Try to persuade it to go >> where it would do more good - see Jabiru info on French site "Contrails" >> for some ideas. >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368330#368330 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:03 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: putting things in perspective Don't you just love it "putting things In perspective" . Thank God for the web site we have to share our experiences. If "putting things in perspective" is to completely ignore a question related to ones products, don't seem proper to me. I have two Jabiru engines and a Lightning,and I am directly responsible for the sale of two airplanes and about 6 engines. I love the products from Tennessee and am really disappointed by the responses from Pete. Its quite evident from the others around the world *there is a problem* and with the help and Ideas gathered here on the web site I am sure to correct it. Tex ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:07 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: putting things in perspective Tex, I gave you the facts as I have seen them over the years. I've sold a lot of engines and very few valve guides. What do you want - some story about huge valve guide problems that are not happening? I don't think I misstated anything in my reply to you. This occurrence is evident in a few cases around the world but not many when put in context of the number of engines sold. In the USA when we hear of a valve guide issue we fix it. If we should find a valve guide that was over size from the factory we'll fix it at Jabiru's expense but we have not found and engine yet with factory oversize guides. I do expect that I will find one sooner or later if there truly are engines with oversize guides sent out by Jabiru. Sorry to disappoint you in my response. I suppose I could have commiserated with you and told you how awful your situation is but I would much rather be honest and tell you what we are seeing and have seen over the last 12 years. If you have a valve guide problem how come we've not seen your heads here for diagnosis and repair? Do you want the problem fixed or do you want to just complain about it. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC 931-680-2800 www.usjabiru.com From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: Lightning-List: putting things in perspective Don't you just love it "putting things In perspective" . Thank God for the web site we have to share our experiences. If "putting things in perspective" is to completely ignore a question related to ones products, don't seem proper to me. I have two Jabiru engines and a Lightning,and I am directly responsible for the sale of two airplanes and about 6 engines. I love the products from Tennessee and am really disappointed by the responses from Pete. Its quite evident from the others around the world *there is a problem* and with the help and Ideas gathered here on the web site I am sure to correct it. 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