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1. 03:51 AM - Lightning fly-in October 6th (Nick Otterback)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Lightning fly-in October 6th (James, Clive R)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Lightning fly-in October 6th (n5pb@AOL.COM)
4. 02:48 PM - Re: Esqual Stability (luigi di napoli)
5. 02:49 PM - Check out Arion aircraft on FACEBOOK (Nick Otterback)
6. 03:12 PM - Re: Check out Arion aircraft on FACEBOOK (Mark Stauffer)
7. 10:27 PM - Re: Esqual Stability (James, Clive R)
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Subject: | Lightning fly-in October 6th |
Heh bear,
The flyin with be the first weekend in october which is the 6th, a saturday a
s always.
I will check with mark on the cuff price when i get in today. I think we set
tle on about $1250 for the parts, they arnt cheap being out of carbonfiber b
ut way easier and less time consuming than new tails.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:25 PM, n5pb@AOL.COM wrote:
> Nick, have you decided on a price for the cuff?
> also, do you plan on having the Lightning fly-in again this year?
> Thanks
> Bear
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
> To: lightning-list <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:17 pm
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
>
> We have developed a carbon cuff that will fit over the exsisting tail. Is i
s very light weight and will not require any disassembly. We are getting a p
rototype set here to install and write and install guide for. The AZ dealer s
hould have his set now to start installation on his demo. So i would expect b
y the end of the month we will have everything set in stone for the retrofit
.
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my pocket
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> On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Geoff Eather <geather@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Nick,
>>
>> Reading the article in Kit Planes begs the question: Is the new tail des
ign going to be available as an add on kit/ upgrade or would the entire hori
zontal stabiliser need to be replaced in order to achieve the increased stab
ility?
>>
>> Geoff Eather (Kit 127)
>>
>>
>> On 08/08/2012, at 1:40 AM, Nick Otterback wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the article in PDF form for those of you that have not read it y
et.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Nick Otterback
>>> Arion Aircraft LLC
>>> R&D Technical Support
>>> 931-680-1781
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>>> <_export_sites_kitplanes_02_data_media_pdfs_Lightning_Strikes_Again.pdf>
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Subject: | Re: Lightning fly-in October 6th |
OK, thanks. Looking forward to the flyin.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 6:52 am
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning fly-in October 6th
Heh bear,
The flyin with be the first weekend in october which is the 6th, a saturday
as always.
I will check with mark on the cuff price when i get in today. I think we se
ttle on about $1250 for the parts, they arnt cheap being out of carbonfiber
but way easier and less time consuming than new tails.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 8, 2012, at 9:25 PM, n5pb@AOL.COM wrote:
Nick, have you decided on a price for the cuff?
also, do you plan on having the Lightning fly-in again this year?
Thanks
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue
We have developed a carbon cuff that will fit over the exsisting tail. Is i
s very light weight and will not require any disassembly. We are getting a
prototype set here to install and write and install guide for. The AZ deale
r should have his set now to start installation on his demo. So i would exp
ect by the end of the month we will have everything set in stone for the re
trofit.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Geoff Eather <geather@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Nick,
Reading the article in Kit Planes begs the question: Is the new tail desig
n going to be available as an add on kit/ upgrade or would the entire horiz
ontal stabiliser need to be replaced in order to achieve the increased stab
ility?
Geoff Eather (Kit 127)
On 08/08/2012, at 1:40 AM, Nick Otterback wrote:
Here is the article in PDF form for those of you that have not read it yet.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
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Subject: | Re: Esqual Stability |
Hi Clive,=0Athe problems in Italy are always the same.=0AChanges =C2-the
boss only to listen that the situation is no good and we need more sacrific
es.=0A=C2-The orchestra is new but the music is the same.=0AThank you for
the good report, and for the list of improvements done.=0AI need to know,w
henever possible, the size of elevator trim.Mine is around 9 inches by 4 an
d I believe that with full flaps the authority is not sufficient=0Abeing th
e plane still to heavy with a lot of nose-up trim.My trim is electric, =C2
-with Ray-Allen servo. For climb, cruise and initial approach the job is
correct, not for=C2-=0Athe landing phase.So I decided to increase the tri
m size, but to avoid to make experiments is better to ask to whom experienc
ed it.=0AIf you believe to have the right size, please tell me so I may inc
rease it.=0AThank again for the info given to the community, with your good
report.=0ACiao,=0ALuigi=0AEsqual I-9854 =C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________=0A Da: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>=0AA:
lightning-list@matronics.com =0AInviato: Marted=C3=AC 7 Agosto 2012 21:30
=0AOggetto: Lightning-List: Esqual Stability=0A =0A=0AHi Luigi, I am good.
The weather in the UK has finally improved and I=99ve been doing some
good flying. =0ABack offshore now in the North sea and hoping the weather
will still have some summer in it when I get back next time.=0AMostly the f
lying was in the Jabiru as the Esqual is still on a test permit and so cann
ot go further than 25miles past 3 airfields on the East side of England (st
ill 60 miles to play in).=0A=C2-=0AThe changes I made for the stability w
ere:=0ANew engine mount from Arion that moved the engine forward 18mm (I ha
d to buy new cowlings but I wanted the Lightning ones for the cooling anywa
y).=0ANick recommended I tip the front of the tail plane down by 3/16
=9D, this was about 3 degrees and I managed to get that movement by lifting
the back.=0AI fitted a new =98flap type=99 trim tab with elect
ric servo and removed the bungee trim, this was a Lightning retrofit kit tr
im kit though I did make the flap a bit bigger.=0ADuring the test flying I
limited the flap travel to 22 degrees to help with the trim on approach (as
mentioned in the kit planes article for the Lighting which was interesting
).=0AIt was still too heavy under a FWD C of G =C2-so when the evaluation
flying was being done for the LAA it was limited some more. =0ANow at 16 d
egrees max flap it is hands off on approach unless it is solo with low fuel
. Minimum stall is still 35 knots=0AAll round much nicer to fly but still v
ery sporty.=0AThe flight test report was done by an independent test pilot
but he was very happy and has sent a positive recommendation. =0AThe flight
test was to CS-VLA (you can find that on the net). It was great fun as I w
as the =98talking ballast=99 I really saw what the plane could
do.=0AI am just waiting to get feedback on that report and hope to have a f
ull PoF soon.=0AI will send you the report directly. =0AThe picture is the
test pilot about to do the solo sortie. =0AHe was mega experienced, graduat
e of the Empire Test Pilot program, many years ago now as he is 83.=0AI hop
e I can still fly like he does when I=99m that age.=0A=C2-=0AI trus
t all is well in Italy and you are flying your Esqual regularly (after you
pay your luxury tax to the idiots in charge!).=0A=C2-=0ABest Regards, Cli
ve=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mail
to:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of luigi di napoli
=0ASent: 07 August 2012 19:40=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
Re: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue=0A=C2-=0AHi Clive,=0Ahow a
re you ?=0AI read about the Esqual stability and I am curious to know which
improvements the Esqual needs.=0ADid you calculate a good C&G to improve t
he phugoid ? And what about the max flap setting ?=0AI remember that you, s
ome time ago, sent a mail with something inherent but forgot it.=0ADo you h
ave any news ? And what about the PoF for your bird ?=0AWaiting your news b
est regards and enjoy your vacation.=0ALuigi=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A=0ADa:"James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
=0AA: lightning-list@matronics.com =0AInviato: Marted=C3=AC 7 Agosto 2012 2
0:05=0AOggetto: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes September Issue=0A=C2-=0ASt
ill in your debt for the fix on the Esqual ! =0A=C2-=0APermit is getting
closer but not yet got my hands on it.=0A=C2-=0ARegards, Clive=0A=C2-
=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-li
ghtning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Otterback=0ASent: 07 A
ugust 2012 18:57=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Lightnin
g-List: Kitplanes September Issue=0A=C2-=0AThanks for the kind words. The
company is not mine it is Petes. We are partners along with a few other in
vestors. Pete simply allows me the freedom to further design as needed.=C2
-=0A=C2-=0AThanks=0ANick=0ASent from my pocket=C2-=0A=0AOn Aug 7, 201
2, at 11:53 AM, "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com> wrote:=0AReads wel
l, as someone who has gone through the stability and trim issues with the E
squal I can appreciate the improvements.=0A>=C2-=0A>So now the Esqual is
Swedish? And you didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t crack a mould off the fusela
ge? What=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s that smell? I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll b
et Francesc is turning is his grave.=0A>=C2-=0A>Good to see you aren=C3
=A2=82=AC=84=A2t sitting on your hands, and nice to see Pete gave you
the company!=0A>=C2-=0A>Regards, Clive=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner
-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Otterback=0A>Sent: 07 August 2012 16:40=0A>T
o: Lightning-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Septe
mber Issue=0A>=C2-=0A>Here is the article in PDF form for those of you th
at have not read it yet.=0A>=C2-=0A>thanks=0A>=C2-=0A>Nick Otterback=0A
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Subject: | Check out Arion aircraft on FACEBOOK |
Heh all you computer savvy Lightning folks out there.
Since mark and I have had a hard time getting a newsletter out on a monthly
basis, very busy here. We are finishing one up and probably will do it every
other month or quarterly not sure yet we decided to try another avenue for
instant updates Lightning stuff.
We have Started a FaceBook page. Search Arion Aircraft LLC and I think Like
it or Friend it not sure maybe Mark can fill in here.
Anyways it is an open page and everyone can post to it, discussions, photos,
and videos.
We have started uploading a few things to see how it works.
What we can do is take flight videos "demos" so to speak, fly the pattern
and show techniques. Or even teach how to use the EFIS systems in flight.
Whatever you want to see we can do.
This does take a little time but since it is stuff we are doing anyways
uploading small tech things or videos are quick and easy during the day.
Mark has bought a GoPro HD camera that we will be using for videos.
Should be fun, And if you can't figure it our ask your children or Grand
Children that can help!
Thanks
Nick
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Subject: | Check out Arion aircraft on FACEBOOK |
The Facebook address is: http://www.facebook.com/flylightning
Let me know if you have any problems with the link.
I don't think you can "Friend" a business but you sure can like us!!! J
I'll be posting Oshkosh photos soon and some pictures that we took in the
shop today. I believe you may also post pictures as well. Someone try it and
let's see how it goes.
It will take me a bit to get up to speed with this stuff, there's just so
much to learn and another "language".
Mark
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Otterback
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 4:49 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Check out Arion aircraft on FACEBOOK
Heh all you computer savvy Lightning folks out there.
Since mark and I have had a hard time getting a newsletter out on a monthly
basis, very busy here. We are finishing one up and probably will do it every
other month or quarterly not sure yet we decided to try another avenue for
instant updates Lightning stuff.
We have Started a FaceBook page. Search Arion Aircraft LLC and I think Like
it or Friend it not sure maybe Mark can fill in here.
Anyways it is an open page and everyone can post to it, discussions, photos,
and videos.
We have started uploading a few things to see how it works.
What we can do is take flight videos "demos" so to speak, fly the pattern
and show techniques. Or even teach how to use the EFIS systems in flight.
Whatever you want to see we can do.
This does take a little time but since it is stuff we are doing anyways
uploading small tech things or videos are quick and easy during the day.
Mark has bought a GoPro HD camera that we will be using for videos.
Should be fun, And if you can't figure it our ask your children or Grand
Children that can help!
Thanks
Nick
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