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1. 06:53 AM - Re: Shortened wingtips (J Dupont)
2. 12:11 PM - Flying the new larger stab. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 01:24 PM - Re: Lightning Homecoming (N838BF)
4. 03:10 PM - Re: Elevator trim tab travel. (MP)
5. 03:40 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (N838BF)
6. 04:47 PM - Friday evening Grill out. (Nick Otterback)
7. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Shortened wingtips (Geoff Eather)
8. 09:04 PM - Re: Shortened wingtips (Bill Strahan)
9. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: Shortened wingtips (Geoff Eather)
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| Subject: | Re: Shortened wingtips |
Very nice work, these look great.
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| Subject: | Flying the new larger stab. |
Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new
larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying
characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please excuse
the
term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has
had from day one. No worries, it still has that great sporty Lightning
feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also happily report
that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much
more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any
concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had when
initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bottom line is that this
mod makes a great airplane even better.
A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean
and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the
stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 to
4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even
quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased
CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that.
So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit
for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuff"
that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place. Not
too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and
painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don't want
to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your Lightning with the
new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way your
"jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other consideration might be if
you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say that it has
the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are
starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's
not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and fun
event.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Homecoming |
Well we had planned to attend. We discovered a nose gear problem when
preflighting the airplane. We need to order a new nose block and now leg
lower socket. Been trying to get someone from Arion on the phone to
order the parts. Guess they are all our having too much fun already.
Hope everyone has a good time.
Grounded in Georgia
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Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
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| Subject: | Elevator trim tab travel. |
Hi Nick,
Thanks for following up on this but I'm still confused about your
measurements, I attached a drawing I made of two control horn setups one
modified and the other as per manual. You can see from this that it will be
not possible to achieve anything close to 25 deg without big modification. I
guess there must be something different in what you have and I have. Hope
this drawing can help to find out what it is as the trim tab is in scale 1:1
what I have and how it is in the manual.
Thanks
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick
Otterback
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Elevator trim tab travel.
The travel as measured on several aircraft Here is 1.25" down tab, or up
trim. Measured from the elevator TE to the TAB TE.
The travel in degrees is between 25-28 on our aircraft, built as shown in
the manual.
Will revise the manual to reflect what works in flight.
thanks
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft LLC
R&D Technical Support
931-680-1781
nick@flylightning.net
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the new larger stab. |
Wish we were there. Discovered some nose gear issues when doing
preflight. Tried calling Mark at Arion but you all are too busy having fun
for him to respond. Looks like I need a new nose gear socket and nose
gear block. Squawk is hard to detect if it wasn't for the pealing paint the
wife saw. Upon inspection we found what appears to be bent nose gear
socket and a cracked phenolic nose block.
Oh well... Hope everyone has fun.. Will see you at next years homecoming!
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Gene and Janeen Mohr
N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning)
Martinez, GA
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| Subject: | Friday evening Grill out. |
Just the early start to the activities.
Nick
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| Subject: | Re: Shortened wingtips |
Bill,
I must have missed your first post on this topic and am a little confused!!
Did you shorten your LSA wings or did you add wing tips to the Experimental model?
If you shortened the LSA version - was there a reason for doing so?
Thanks
Geoff eather (Kit 127) Australia
On 04/10/2012, at 11:55 PM, Bill Strahan wrote:
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tips, sanded down to glass, and put in a layer of glass on the inside. I final
drilled the mounting holes while the tip was held in with clecos, and then
installed nutplates. The closeout rib was the last step, and the tip was ready
to fit, as seen in this picture.
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off to put the nav lights on. But this was good enough for a flight this morning
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| Subject: | Re: Shortened wingtips |
Geoff: N197RW is an Experimental, not LSA. I believe I hold the record for most
wingtips installed. Right Nick? I had the long wingtips mounted with piano
hinge. Those were removed and a set of short wingtips were mounted the same
way. Those were removed and a different set of long wingtips were mounted with
#8 screws. That long set was removed, and I took the first long set and fabricated
the short tips shown in the pictures above.
So at this point 7RW has had 4 different sets of wingtips. If someone has had
more than that, I'm going to fabricate some modified Hoerner tips and some flat
(Mooney style) tips and mount those just so I can claim the record. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Shortened wingtips |
Bill,
Thanks for that.
Any difference in performance with the different wing tips?
Geoff Eather (Kit 127)
On 06/10/2012, at 2:03 PM, Bill Strahan wrote:
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> Geoff: N197RW is an Experimental, not LSA. I believe I hold the record for
most wingtips installed. Right Nick? I had the long wingtips mounted with piano
hinge. Those were removed and a set of short wingtips were mounted the same
way. Those were removed and a different set of long wingtips were mounted
with #8 screws. That long set was removed, and I took the first long set and
fabricated the short tips shown in the pictures above.
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more than that, I'm going to fabricate some modified Hoerner tips and some flat
(Mooney style) tips and mount those just so I can claim the record. :)
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