---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/05/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Re: Shortened wingtips (J Dupont) 2. 12:11 PM - Flying the new larger stab. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 3. 01:24 PM - Re: Lightning Homecoming (N838BF) 4. 03:10 PM - Re: Elevator trim tab travel. (MP) 5. 03:40 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (N838BF) 6. 04:47 PM - Friday evening Grill out. (Nick Otterback) 7. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Shortened wingtips (Geoff Eather) 8. 09:04 PM - Re: Shortened wingtips (Bill Strahan) 9. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: Shortened wingtips (Geoff Eather) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:21 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Shortened wingtips From: "J Dupont" Very nice work, these look great. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384696#384696 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:37 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please excuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great sporty Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also happily report that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bottom line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuff" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your Lightning with the new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say that it has the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and fun event. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:55 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning Homecoming From: "N838BF" Well we had planned to attend. We discovered a nose gear problem when preflighting the airplane. We need to order a new nose block and now leg lower socket. Been trying to get someone from Arion on the phone to order the parts. Guess they are all our having too much fun already. Hope everyone has a good time. Grounded in Georgia -------- Gene and Janeen Mohr N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) Martinez, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384748#384748 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:01 PM PST US From: "MP" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Elevator trim tab travel. Hi Nick, Thanks for following up on this but I'm still confused about your measurements, I attached a drawing I made of two control horn setups one modified and the other as per manual. You can see from this that it will be not possible to achieve anything close to 25 deg without big modification. I guess there must be something different in what you have and I have. Hope this drawing can help to find out what it is as the trim tab is in scale 1:1 what I have and how it is in the manual. Thanks From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Otterback Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 1:16 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Elevator trim tab travel. The travel as measured on several aircraft Here is 1.25" down tab, or up trim. Measured from the elevator TE to the TAB TE. The travel in degrees is between 25-28 on our aircraft, built as shown in the manual. Will revise the manual to reflect what works in flight. thanks Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft LLC R&D Technical Support 931-680-1781 nick@flylightning.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:28 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Flying the new larger stab. From: "N838BF" Wish we were there. Discovered some nose gear issues when doing preflight. Tried calling Mark at Arion but you all are too busy having fun for him to respond. Looks like I need a new nose gear socket and nose gear block. Squawk is hard to detect if it wasn't for the pealing paint the wife saw. Upon inspection we found what appears to be bent nose gear socket and a cracked phenolic nose block. Oh well... Hope everyone has fun.. Will see you at next years homecoming! -------- Gene and Janeen Mohr N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) Martinez, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384753#384753 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:33 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Friday evening Grill out. From: Nick Otterback Just the early start to the activities. Nick Sent from my pocket
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Shortened wingtips From: Geoff Eather Bill, I must have missed your first post on this topic and am a little confused!! Did you shorten your LSA wings or did you add wing tips to the Experimental model? If you shortened the LSA version - was there a reason for doing so? Thanks Geoff eather (Kit 127) Australia On 04/10/2012, at 11:55 PM, Bill Strahan wrote: > > Between the last picture and this picture, I tore out the foam from inside the tips, sanded down to glass, and put in a layer of glass on the inside. I final drilled the mounting holes while the tip was held in with clecos, and then installed nutplates. The closeout rib was the last step, and the tip was ready to fit, as seen in this picture. > > I only put a screw in every other hole because I still have to take them back off to put the nav lights on. But this was good enough for a flight this morning once I taped over the hole the nav lights go in. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384625#384625 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2260_137.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:21 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Shortened wingtips From: "Bill Strahan" Geoff: N197RW is an Experimental, not LSA. I believe I hold the record for most wingtips installed. Right Nick? I had the long wingtips mounted with piano hinge. Those were removed and a set of short wingtips were mounted the same way. Those were removed and a different set of long wingtips were mounted with #8 screws. That long set was removed, and I took the first long set and fabricated the short tips shown in the pictures above. So at this point 7RW has had 4 different sets of wingtips. If someone has had more than that, I'm going to fabricate some modified Hoerner tips and some flat (Mooney style) tips and mount those just so I can claim the record. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384767#384767 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Shortened wingtips From: Geoff Eather Bill, Thanks for that. Any difference in performance with the different wing tips? Geoff Eather (Kit 127) On 06/10/2012, at 2:03 PM, Bill Strahan wrote: > > Geoff: N197RW is an Experimental, not LSA. I believe I hold the record for most wingtips installed. Right Nick? I had the long wingtips mounted with piano hinge. Those were removed and a set of short wingtips were mounted the same way. Those were removed and a different set of long wingtips were mounted with #8 screws. That long set was removed, and I took the first long set and fabricated the short tips shown in the pictures above. > > So at this point 7RW has had 4 different sets of wingtips. If someone has had more than that, I'm going to fabricate some modified Hoerner tips and some flat (Mooney style) tips and mount those just so I can claim the record. :) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384767#384767 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.