---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/07/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Lightning Fly-In (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 2. 05:37 AM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (N1BZRich@aol.com) 3. 11:41 AM - Lightning for sale. (Ralph Leach) 4. 01:51 PM - Re: Lightning for sale. (Nick Otterback) 5. 01:59 PM - Re: Lightning for sale. (N838BF) 6. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Lightning for sale. (Nick Otterback) 7. 02:25 PM - Re: Lightning for sale. (N838BF) 8. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Lightning for sale. (Nick Otterback) 9. 06:19 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 10. 06:49 PM - Re: Lightning Fly-In (Max Voronin) 11. 06:53 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (Linda Mathias) 12. 06:58 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 13. 08:22 PM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (Linda Mathias) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:53 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Fly-In Once again the Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In was a great get together. The weather on Saturday finally improved enough for the annual Lightning round robin race. Nick and Mark will post the various winners for that plus the creeper races. Lots of Fun. As always, we owe a big thank you to Pete and Barb, Nick and Dana, and Mark and Claire. They all went out of their way to make everyone feel welcome and to provide outstanding food and drink. Southern hospitality at its best. A big thank you to all the Tennessee gang. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:40 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Hi Luigi, I did take some photos of the new stab and will post them when I get a chance to download them off the camera. I am not sure of the increased area but I'm sure Nick will answer that question for you. He has also already calculated the ratio of the wing and new stab area and can provide that as well. The cuff that they designed to fit over the original stabs really makes the mod relatively easy to upgrade. The cuffs are made of carbon fi ber and will add about a pound to each side. Of course new Lightning kits wil l come with the new larger stabs as part of the kit or a completed SLSA LS-1 , so no need to modify the new Lightnings. I am headed back to Virginia today and hope to get caught up on emails then as well as posting some photos of the new stab and cuff. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elledien@yahoo.com writes: Hi Buz and Lightning/Esqual friends. Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ? Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would like to know it to calculate the relation between wing /stab area and other parameters and phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the center of gravity to obtai n the best results Thank you. Regards from the Old World Luigi Esqual I-9854 ____________________________________ Da: "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" A: lightning-list@matronics.com Inviato: Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10 Oggetto: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please e xcuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great sporty Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also happily repor t that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bottom line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuf f" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don 't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your Lightning with th e new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say that it ha s the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and f un event. ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matro" nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://f========= (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:05 AM PST US From: Ralph Leach Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning for sale. Any one knowing of some one desiring a lightning without the drill and expense of building it, please get in touch. Being an impulsive type I bought #62 without doing my homework. I was told it was an LSA type aircraft that is a real hot rod. It's not an LSA. So, I have been flying it dual. I operate out of Boone NC (2600'X40 at 3120 altitude) and it flies great. Hadn't noticed any of the issues I keep reading about such as shimmy. Contact Ralph Lerch 828-264-0912 N8938T 168TT Garmin SL40com, TXP, EFIS 6000, GRT Sport, Lowrance 2000 Jabaru 3300, Sensenich Gr adjust. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:24 PM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning for sale. You mention not an LSA. its not a factory LSA no but may meet the specs. How is the aircraft set up? Prop, tips, fairings? Thanks Nick Sent from my pocket On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Ralph Leach wrote: > > Any one knowing of some one desiring a lightning without the drill and expense > of building it, please get in touch. Being an impulsive type I bought #62 > without doing my homework. I was told it was an LSA type aircraft that is a > real hot rod. It's not an LSA. So, I have been flying it dual. I operate out > of Boone NC (2600'X40 at 3120 altitude) and it flies great. Hadn't noticed any > of the issues I keep reading about such as shimmy. > Contact Ralph Lerch 828-264-0912 > N8938T 168TT Garmin SL40com, TXP, EFIS 6000, GRT Sport, Lowrance 2000 > Jabaru 3300, Sensenich Gr adjust. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:53 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning for sale. From: "N838BF" I am curious as well.. remember the cruising speed is for standard atmospheric conditions at sea level. My lightning while an EAB meets all of the requirements and as long as it has never flown outside of the limits it still qualifies to be flown by a Light Sport Pilot. -------- Gene and Janeen Mohr N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) Martinez, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384878#384878 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:49 PM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning for sale. Correct, i am ver well versed in the SLSA and exp lsa req, i am more curious as to the "not and LSA" statement. What makes it not and LSA. Nick Sent from my pocket On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, "N838BF" wrote: > > I am curious as well.. remember the cruising speed is for standard atmospheric conditions at sea level. My lightning while an EAB meets all > of the requirements and as long as it has never flown outside of the limits > it still qualifies to be flown by a Light Sport Pilot. > > -------- > Gene and Janeen Mohr > N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) > Martinez, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384878#384878 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:02 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning for sale. From: "N838BF" Nick, hope you didn't think I was questioning you. The is no greater authority on the Lightning than you. Just seems strange that his is "Not" LSA. I am just curious as to why he says his is not. I have had to correct several people about mine and I just pull out the regs. Question for you, will the staff be working Monday? I left a VM for Mark. I need a couple of parts. Sorry I missed this years homecoming. Next year Janeen and I are there. -------- Gene and Janeen Mohr N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) Martinez, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384882#384882 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:05 PM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning for sale. I didnt think so, was more or less asking Ralph. Yes we will be in tommorow, just not at the phones last friday, with the fly in Sent from my pocket On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:24 PM, "N838BF" wrote: > > Nick, hope you didn't think I was questioning you. The is no greater > authority on the Lightning than you. Just seems strange that his is > "Not" LSA. I am just curious as to why he says his is not. I have had > to correct several people about mine and I just pull out the regs. > > Question for you, will the staff be working Monday? I left a VM for Mark. > I need a couple of parts. > > Sorry I missed this years homecoming. Next year Janeen and I are there. > > -------- > Gene and Janeen Mohr > N838BF (formerly Bill Fisher's Lightning) > Martinez, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384882#384882 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:33 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Luigi, The attached PDF file has the photos I took of the new larger stab and the basic installation process. Hope this helps. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elledien@yahoo.com writes: Hi Buz and Lightning/Esqual friends. Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ? Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would like to know it to calculate the relation between wing /stab area and other parameters and phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the center of gravity to obtai n the best results Thank you. Regards from the Old World Luigi Esqual I-9854 ____________________________________ Da: "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" A: lightning-list@matronics.com Inviato: Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10 Oggetto: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please e xcuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great sporty Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also happily repor t that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bottom line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuf f" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don 't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your Lightning with th e new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say that it ha s the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and f un event. ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matro" nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://f========= (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Fly-In From: Max Voronin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. From: Linda Mathias Buz, Did you make it home today? Linda On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, wrote: > ** > Luigi, > The attached PDF file has the photos I took of the new larger stab an d > the basic installation process. Hope this helps. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > In a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > elledien@yahoo.com writes: > > Hi Buz and Lightning/Esqual friends. > Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ? > Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would like to know it > to calculate the relation between wing /stab area and other parameters a nd > phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the center of gravity to obta in > the best results > Thank you. > Regards from the Old World > Luigi > Esqual I-9854 > > ------------------------------ > *Da:* "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" > *A:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Inviato:* Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10 > *Oggetto:* Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. > > Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new > larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying > characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please > excuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the > Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great spor ty > Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also > happily report that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in > pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod > has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some fol ks > might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bott om > line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. > > A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean > and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the > stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 > to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe > even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly > increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. > > So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit > for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber > "cuff" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in > place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishin g > and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if yo u > don't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your > Lightning with the new larger stab really depends on you and the way you > like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other > consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you wil l > be able to say that it has the latest mod that was developed by the facto ry > for the current LS-1. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are > starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's > not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and > fun event. > > > * > > ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr o"nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http:// f========= > * > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Lists.matronics.com/">http://forums.matroni cs.com > p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:51 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Yes, I did. Long day, but got home just after 7 PM. Good get together since I got to do lots of flying in three different airplanes - new demo Lightning with larger stab, Zenith 750 with 3300 Jabiru, and RV-12 with 22 00 Jab. I had flown the RV-12 before, but wanted to get more time in it as I will probably make the first flight for a guy in Newport News that is building one. I've been making the tech counselor visits and he is doing a super job. Buz In a message dated 10/7/2012 9:53:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbmathias1@gmail.com writes: Buz, Did you make it home today? Linda On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, <_N1BZRich@aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich@aol.com) > wrote: Luigi, The attached PDF file has the photos I took of the new larger stab and the basic installation process. Hope this helps. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _elledien@yahoo.com_ (mailto:elledien@yahoo.com) writes: Hi Buz and Lightning/Esqual friends. Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ? Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would like to know it to calculate the relation between wing /stab area and other parameters an d phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the center of gravity to obtain the best results Thank you. Regards from the Old World Luigi Esqual I-9854 ____________________________________ Da: "_N1BZRich@AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRich@AOL.COM) " <_N1BZRich@AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRich@AOL.COM) > A: _lightning-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:lightning-list@matronics.com) Inviato: Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10 Oggetto: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please e xcuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great sporty Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also happily repor t that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bottom line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clean and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" about 3 to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuf f" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don 't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your Lightning with th e new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say that it ha s the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning are starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's not too late to head to SYI. 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From: Linda Mathias Glad you got home safely; I was concerned with the weather being bad today. Glad you had a good time also! Linda On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:58 PM, wrote: > ** > Yes, I did. Long day, but got home just after 7 PM. Good get together > since I got to do lots of flying in three different airplanes - new demo > Lightning with larger stab, Zenith 750 with 3300 Jabiru, and RV-12 with > 2200 Jab. I had flown the RV-12 before, but wanted to get more time in i t > as I will probably make the first flight for a guy in Newport News that i s > building one. I've been making the tech counselor visits and he is doing a > super job. > Buz > > In a message dated 10/7/2012 9:53:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lbmathias1@gmail.com writes: > > Buz, > > Did you make it home today? > > Linda > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, wrote: > >> ** >> Luigi, >> The attached PDF file has the photos I took of the new larger stab >> and the basic installation process. Hope this helps. >> Blue Skies, >> Buz >> >> In a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> elledien@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Hi Buz and Lightning/Esqual friends. >> Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ? >> Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would like to know i t >> to calculate the relation between wing /stab area and other parameters and >> phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the center of gravity to obt ain >> the best results >> Thank you. >> Regards from the Old World >> Luigi >> Esqual I-9854 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Da:* "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" >> *A:* lightning-list@matronics.com >> *Inviato:* Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10 >> *Oggetto:* Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab. >> >> Yesterday I flew two flights in the current demo Lightning with the new >> larger stab and to say the least, I was very pleased with the flying >> characteristics. My concern was that the larger area stab would (please >> excuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the >> Lightning has had from day one. No worries, it still has that great spo rty >> Lightning feel when flying around enjoying your "jet". But I can also >> happily report that the new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in >> pitch to be much more solid and less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mo d >> has removed any concerns about longitudinal pitch stability that some fo lks >> might have had when initially checking out in the Lightning. So the bot tom >> line is that this mod makes a great airplane even better. >> >> A few other observations from my flights yesterday. First, on both clea n >> and dirty stalls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the >> stall itself is not as brisk. You still get the "pre-stall buffet" abou t 3 >> to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe >> even quicker. Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly >> increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that. >> >> So for those of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit >> for the larger stabilizer? The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber >> "cuff" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in >> place. Not too difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishi ng >> and painting. Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if y ou >> don't want to tackle the job yourself. So the decision to mod your >> Lightning with the new larger stab really depends on you and the way you >> like the way your "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings. One other >> consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you wi ll >> be able to say that it has the latest mod that was developed by the fact ory >> for the current LS-1. >> Blue Skies, >> Buz >> >> PS: Lightning builders, owners and people interested in the Lightning ar e >> starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. It's >> not too late to head to SYI. It is again going to be an educational and >> fun event. >> >> >> * >> >> ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ro"nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http:/ /f========= >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Lists.matronics.com/">http://forums.matron ics.com >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Lists.matronics.com/">http://forums.matroni cs.com > p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.