Lightning-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/08/12


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 12:25 AM - Re: Flying the new larger stab. (luigi di napoli)
     2. 07:56 AM - Another Warning on Auto Fuel.  (Nick Otterback)
     3. 09:05 AM - Re: Lightning Fly-In (n5pb@AOL.COM)
     4. 09:08 AM - Re: Another Warning on Auto Fuel.  (Ken Bailey)
     5. 09:19 AM - Re: Friday evening Grill out. (n5pb@AOL.COM)
     6. 10:30 AM - Re: Another Warning on Auto Fuel. (Sullivan Equipment Leasing, LLC)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:25:58 AM PST US
    From: luigi di napoli <elledien@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Flying the new larger stab.
    Buz,=0Aas usual, the documentation and the support you give are very good. =0AAlways prompt and precise.=0AThank you .=0ALuigi=0AEsqual I-9854=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Da: "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" <N1BZRich@ AOL.COM>=0AA: lightning-list@matronics.com =0AInviato: Luned=EC 8 Ottobre 2 012 3:18=0AOggetto: Re: Lightning-List: Flying the new larger stab.=0A =0A =0ALuigi,=0A----The attached PDF file has the photos I took of the =0Anew larger stab and the-basic installation process.- Hope this =0Ahe lps.=0ABlue Skies,=0ABuz=0A-=0AIn a message dated 10/7/2012 2:41:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0Aelledien@yahoo.com writes:=0AHi Buz and Lightning /Esqual friends.=0A>-Any chance to have a picture and/or the size of the new stab ?=0A>Beyond the answers given and the results obtained I would l ike to know it to calculate the relation between wing -/stab area and ot her parameters and phougoid dumping being mandatory to change the -cente r of gravity to obtain the best results=0A>Thank you.=0A>Regards from the O ld World=0A>Luigi=0A>Esqual I-9854=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_________________________ _______=0A> Da: "N1BZRich@AOL.COM" <N1BZRich@AOL.COM>=0A>A: lightning-list @matronics.com =0A>Inviato: Venerd=EC 5 Ottobre 2012 21:10=0A>Oggetto: Lig htning-List: Flying the new larger stab. =0A>=0A>=0A>Yesterday I flew two f lights in the current demo Lightning with the new larger stab and to say t he least, I was very pleased with the flying characteristics.- My concer n was that the larger area stab would (please excuse the term) "dumb down" the wonderful overall sporty feel that the Lightning has had from day one .- No worries, it-still-has that great sporty Lightning-feel when flying around enjoying your "jet".- But I can also happily report that t he new stab makes the takeoff and landing feel in pitch to be much more- solid and-less quick reacting, so Nick's latest mod has removed any conc erns about longitudinal pitch stability that some folks might have had whe n initially checking out in the Lightning.- So the bottom line is that t his mod makes a great airplane even better.- =0A>-=0A>A few other obse rvations from my flights yesterday.- First, on both clean and dirty stal ls, the nose is not as high when the stall occurs and the stall itself is not as brisk.- You still get the-"pre-stall buffet" about 3 to 4 knots before the stall and then recovery is just as quick or maybe even quicker .- -Also, the new larger stab should result in a slightly increased CG envelop, but I don't have the actual numbers for that.=0A>-=0A>So for t hose of you with flying Lightnings, do you want to order the kit for the l arger stabilizer?- The kit itself is actually a carbon fiber "cuff" that fits over the existing stab and it is then epoxy glued in place.- Not t oo difficult or time consuming except maybe for the finishing and painting .- Of course, the Lightning guys can do the mod for you if you don't wan t to tackle the job yourself.- So the decision to mod your Lightning wit h the new larger stab really depends on you and the way you like the way y our "jet" feels on takeoffs and landings.- One other consideration might be if you ever decide to sell your Lightning, you will be able to say tha t it has the latest mod that was developed by the factory for the current LS-1.- =0A>Blue Skies,=0A>Buz=0A>-=0A>PS:-Lightning builders, owners and-people interested in the Lightning-are starting to arrive for the annual Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In.- It's not too late to head to SY I.- It is again going to be an educational and fun event.- =0A>-=0A> ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matro" nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://f ========== =0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Lis t=0As.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ap://www.matronics.com/c ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:56:19 AM PST US
    From: "Nick Otterback" <nick@flylightning.net>
    Subject: Another Warning on Auto Fuel.
    We have recently seen 1 case of the KBS tank sealant becoming loose from the tank wall. This aircraft has been using Auto fuel, the owner did also state that the Auto fuel had been tested for ethanol before each use, and found none was present. We have warned about the use of auto fuel before. Mainly the ethanol content, but also the additives in the fuel to create seasonal blends and cleaner systems. The use of Auto Fuel in the SLSA LS1's is prohibited by the POH, and is never approved for use. The only approved fuel is 100LL. Experimental owners or operators must make their own decision to stop using it. We recommend the discontinued use of Auto-fuel in Lightning kit aircraft or ELSAs. The only recommended fuel for use in the kit aircraft or ELSAs is also 100LL The operational cost difference of using 100LL over auto fuel is far lower than; re-sealing a tank, wing replacement due to damage of the core material , or a clogged fuel system that results in an off field landing. Do not use Auto-fuel. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft LLC R&D Technical Support 931-680-1781 nick@flylightning.net


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    Time: 09:05:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lightning Fly-In
    From: n5pb@AOL.COM
    I second that Buz. It was another great Lightning Fly-in. It was nice to meet new folks and h ear about their "jet" and associated builds and flying experiences. I'm glad the lousy wx didn't defer me and "parts" of my airplane from makin g the trip. arr4ived back late yesterday after a long drive... I hope everyone else has a safe trip home. Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich <N1BZRich@AOL.COM> Sent: Sun, Oct 7, 2012 8:35 am Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Fly-In Once again the Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In was a great get together. T he weather on Saturday finally improved enough for the annual Lightning rou nd robin race. Nick and Mark will post the various winners for that plus t he creeper races. Lots of Fun. As always, we owe a big thank you to Pete and Barb, Nick and Dana, and Mark and Claire. They all went out of their way to make everyone feel welcome and to provide outstanding food and drink. Southern hospitality at its bes t. A big thank you to all the Tennessee gang. Blue Skies, Buz


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    Time: 09:08:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Another Warning on Auto Fuel.
    From: Ken Bailey <ken.bailey@tconline.net>
    So what you're saying, is maybe we shouldn't use auto fuel? ;<) Ken Bailey On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Nick Otterback" <nick@flylightning.net> wrote: > We have recently seen 1 case of the KBS tank sealant becoming loose from t he tank wall. This aircraft has been using Auto fuel, the owner did also sta te that the Auto fuel had been tested for ethanol before each use, and found none was present. > > We have warned about the use of auto fuel before. Mainly the ethanol conte nt, but also the additives in the fuel to create seasonal blends and cleaner systems. > > The use of Auto Fuel in the SLSA LS1=99s is prohibited by the POH, a nd is never approved for use. The only approved fuel is 100LL. > > Experimental owners or operators must make their own decision to stop usin g it. > We recommend the discontinued use of Auto-fuel in Lightning kit aircraft o r ELSAs. > The only recommended fuel for use in the kit aircraft or ELSAs is also 100 LL > > The operational cost difference of using 100LL over auto fuel is far lower than; re-sealing a tank, wing replacement due to damage of the core materia l , or a clogged fuel system that results in an off field landing. > > Do not use Auto-fuel. > > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft LLC > R&D Technical Support > 931-680-1781 > nick@flylightning.net > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 09:19:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Friday evening Grill out.
    From: n5pb@AOL.COM
    Earl, Yea, Real bear flown in from Germany as Gerd and Uli brought it with them. Creeper races were fun, although I didn't have much competition in the seni or department...not having to give 2 seconds for each year age delta helped my win this year's senior division with ease (wait my back and neck still hurts, so maybe it wasn't that easy)... Bear -----Original Message----- From: EAFerguson <EAFerguson@AOL.COM> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Friday evening Grill out. Wish I was there. Also glad to see some real beer on the table. Earl In a message dated 10/5/2012 7:49:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vettin74@y ahoo.com writes: Just the early start to the activities. Nick Sent from my pocket http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Li; ; --> http://www.matronics .com/c================ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List


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    Time: 10:30:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Another Warning on Auto Fuel.
    From: "Sullivan Equipment Leasing, LLC" <flylightningls1@gmail.com>
    Here in CA Avgas is the same or less than Mogas at the moment for the FBOs a re not as quick to raise it at the pump, Watsonville is at 4.95/gal for 100L L, and Big Bear is just north of $5/gal It's cheaper to fly your LS-1 than it is to drive and certainly faster and l ess frustrating than being in traffic. Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ken Bailey <ken.bailey@tconline.net> wrote: > So what you're saying, is maybe we shouldn't use auto fuel? > ;<) > > > Ken Bailey > > On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Nick Otterback" <nick@flylightning.net> wrote : > >> We have recently seen 1 case of the KBS tank sealant becoming loose from t he tank wall. This aircraft has been using Auto fuel, the owner did also sta te that the Auto fuel had been tested for ethanol before each use, and found none was present. >> >> We have warned about the use of auto fuel before. Mainly the ethanol cont ent, but also the additives in the fuel to create seasonal blends and cleane r systems. >> >> The use of Auto Fuel in the SLSA LS1=99s is prohibited by the POH, a nd is never approved for use. The only approved fuel is 100LL. >> >> Experimental owners or operators must make their own decision to stop usi ng it. >> We recommend the discontinued use of Auto-fuel in Lightning kit aircraft o r ELSAs. >> The only recommended fuel for use in the kit aircraft or ELSAs is also 10 0LL >> >> The operational cost difference of using 100LL over auto fuel is far lowe r than; re-sealing a tank, wing replacement due to damage of the core materi al , or a clogged fuel system that results in an off field landing. >> >> Do not use Auto-fuel. >> >> Nick Otterback >> Arion Aircraft LLC >> R&D Technical Support >> 931-680-1781 >> nick@flylightning.net >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >




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