---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/15/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:47 AM - Gerd`s Lightning (Gerd + Uli Nowack) 2. 07:53 AM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (Dennis W. Wilt) 3. 08:50 AM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 4. 09:55 AM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (Max Voronin) 5. 10:21 AM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (n5pb@AOL.COM) 6. 10:37 AM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (DDW) 7. 01:52 PM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (Bernard Melendez, Jr.) 8. 02:11 PM - Re: Gerd`s Lightning (Bill Strahan) 9. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: Gerd`s Lightning (luigi di napoli) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:36 AM PST US From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Subject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500ft and made it to > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there wont be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > Thats it for the moment > > Gerd ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning From: "Dennis W. Wilt" Gerd, So sorry to hear about your plane, but very glad you are OK. That's the im portant part of the story. Dennis N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132) -----Original Message----- From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47 am Subject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning e> > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500=C2=B4ft and made it t o > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there won=C2=B4t be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > That=C2=B4s it for the moment > > Gerd ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:13 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning Wow, Gerd, so sorry to hear about the rotten luck with the electrical system failure, but I think you did an excellent job of flying the airplan e. Remember any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. Great seeing you at the Lightning Homecoming and Fly-In. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 11/15/2012 10:47:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, NowackLinden@gmx.de writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: Gerd + Uli Nowack > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500=B4ft and made it to > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there won=B4t be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > That=B4s it for the moment > > Gerd ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning From: Max Voronin Glad you are ok, that's the important part. Best, Max and Olena Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Gerd + Uli Nowack wrote: > > > >> I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: >> >> On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole electric sys went dead. >> After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500ft and made it to an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing drop. >> The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the cockpit was twisted to the left. >> The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. >> >> I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. >> My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close formation. >> >> The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other unorderly things, so I hope there wont be major problems with the insurance. >> >> Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted some footage, you can see it here: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 >> >> Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think >> >> Thats it for the moment >> >> Gerd > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning From: n5pb@AOL.COM Gerd, So sorry to hear about your electrical power failure and subsequent emergen cy landing. Great job getting it back on the ground and not suffering any major injury to you. I hope your insurance covers the loss and you're ba ck to building again. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47 am Subject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning e> > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500=C2=B4ft and made it t o > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there won=C2=B4t be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > That=C2=B4s it for the moment > > Gerd _blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Lightning-List processedanchor="true">http://forums.matronics.com -----Original Message----- From: Gerd + Uli Nowack Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47 am Subject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning e> > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500=C2=B4ft and made it t o > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there won=C2=B4t be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > That=C2=B4s it for the moment > > Gerd _blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Lightning-List processedanchor="true">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:46 AM PST US From: DDW Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning Bad news and good news. We are glad you just could walk away from the scene. Daniel Esqual PH-DWD Belgium -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerd + Uli Nowack Sent: donderdag 15 november 2012 16:48 Subject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning > I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news: > > On november 12th my Lightning D-ELIY , Kit 89 was damaged beyond > repair after only 8 flight hours in an emergency landing that was the > consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might > remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic > engine control , ignition and fuel injection. Apparently the Main DC > Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depleted fast- propably the bus > tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole > electric sys went dead. > After the engine stopped I had to glide out of 4500ft and made it to > an open meadow with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- > electric!- and also had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small > power line I may have been low on airspeed , and very shortly before > T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing > drop. > The wingtip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, > and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine > downward out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount > points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or > broke off. Due to the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke > through the bottom of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing > because it can have saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the > cockpit was twisted to the left. > The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upside up and on > 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent. > > I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from the panel box), > a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyboy ego. > My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could have gone > worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky > day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close > formation. > > The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep declared it a total > write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked > everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was > found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or other > unorderly things, so I hope there wont be major problems with the > insurance. > > Of course the media were all there. A local TV station has broadcasted > some footage, you can see it here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0 > > Commentary is German but the pics speak for themself, I think > > Thats it for the moment > > Gerd ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:35 PM PST US From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning Gerd, Very sorry to hear of the loss of your plane, but equally glad that you wer e not seriously hurt. We wish you the best. Bernardo Melendez, Kit #110 --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Dennis W. Wilt wrote: From: Dennis W. Wilt Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning =0AGerd,=0A=0A-=0A=0ASo sorry to hear about your plane, but very glad you are OK.- That's the important part of the story.=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A -=0A=0A=0ADennis=0A=0A=0AN616DW (Arion Lightning-S/N 132)=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Gerd + Uli Nowack =0ASent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47 am =0ASubject: Lightning-List: Gerd`s Lightning =0A Uli Nowack =0A=0A=0A=0A> I have news for the Lightning Group, and its not good news:=0A>=0A> On november 12th my Lightning D-ELI Y , Kit 89 was damaged beyond =0A> repair after only 8 flight hours in an e mergency landing that was the =0A> consequence of a total electrical system failure. Some of you might =0A> remember that my plane has/had! an ULPower engine with dual electronic =0A> engine control , ignition and fuel inject ion. Apparently the Main DC =0A> Bus had a short , the 2nd battery was depl eted fast- propably the bus =0A> tie feature didn`t separate the DC busses as it should and the whole =0A> electric sys went dead.=0A> After the engin e stopped I had to glide out of 4500=B4ft and made it to =0A> an open meado w with an uphill slope. I couldn`t lower the flaps- =0A> electric!- and als o had lost my EFIS. Because I had to cross a small =0A> power line I may ha ve been low on airspeed , and very shortly before =0A> T/D the engine gave a last burp- which both together made my left wing =0A> drop.=0A> The wingt ip touched first which spoiled my attitude in all directions, =0A> and the fuselage hit the ground prop first. The impact tore the engine =0A> downwar d out of the firewall - the fuse rim and the engine mount =0A> points held together, but the AN4 bolts stripped their threads or =0A> broke off. Due t o the impact the seat pan with my 205lbs on top broke =0A> through the bott om of the fuselage , which was propably a good thing =0A> because it can ha ve saved my back. The complete fuselage behind the =0A> cockpit was twisted to the left.=0A> The Airplane came to rest after a 100ft slide, still upsi de up and on =0A> 3 wheels, although the nose gear and the right main gear were bent.=0A>=0A> I climbed out of the cockpit with a bruised shin (from t he panel box), =0A> a very slight whiplash injury, and a severely hurt flyb oy ego.=0A> My feeling is: it could have gone better, but it also could hav e gone =0A> worse - much worse! So I am very happy that all in all I had a lucky =0A> day and my Guardian Angels were apparently flying along in close =0A> formation.=0A>=0A> The plane is fully insured, the insurance rep decl ared it a total =0A> write-off. Of course the Aviation Bureau Rep showed up and checked =0A> everything incl remaining fuel(15gals) and all documents. All was =0A> found in order. So far nobody has accused me of neglect or ot her =0A> unorderly things, so I hope there won=B4t be major problems with t he =0A> insurance.=0A>=0A> Of course the media were all there. A local TV s tation has broadcasted =0A> some footage, you can see it here:=0A>=0A> http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfwXADrhj0=0A>=0A> Commentary is German but t he pics speak for themself, I think=0A>=0A> That=B4s it for the moment=0A> =0A> Gerd=0A=0A=0A_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.aeroelectric.com =0A" target="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.buildersbooks.com=0A ="_blank" saprocessedanchor="true">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A_blank" sapr ocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A" target=" _blank" saprocessedanchor="true">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Light ning-List=0Aprocessedanchor="true">http://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Gerd`s Lightning From: "Bill Strahan" Glad to hear you're okay! As we used to say in software, once you've written a program then you know how to write it. I can't imagine how quickly your second Lightning will go together! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388002#388002 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:46 PM PST US From: luigi di napoli Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Gerd`s Lightning Gerd,=0Athis is a good new. You are ok!=0AOther things are nothing.=0AHappy to read you.=0ALuigi=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.