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Sun 03/17/13


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     1. 08:25 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13 (Jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com)
     2. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13 (Bob Haas)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:25:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13
    From: "Jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com" <jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com>
    I read most of the blogs but seldom respond. It is very informative. Many of the problems that I see, I have no experienced here in the USA. I use a 91 octane no lead, no alcohol gas in my Jabiru. I have only used it for about 6 months. Main reason is I also have a Rotax in a motor glider and it hates lead, so it is convenient to fill the tanks at same time. My question is,"if What are the results in engine life and performance if you can run a non alcohol gas? With the Rotax it seems to be 50 hr oil changes instead of 25 hrs. It also means I can go to 2000 hrs TBO if I take care of it and I know of several that have. Can anyone give your history with the Jabiru in the lighting or any other aircraft for that matter. Regards Jimmy On Mar 17, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server <lightning-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 13-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lightning-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/16/13: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 01:37 AM - Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? (James, Clive R) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:37:59 AM PST US > Subject: Lightning-List: Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? > From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com> > > Has anyone found a good fluid yet? Seems someone has proven the early > Jabiru fluid was indeed not good enough. See attached. > > Appreciate if anyone has info on an alcohol proof fluid yet. > > > Regards, Clive > > P.S. suggestions from folk to only use avgas are only accepted for folk > who are paying less than $14 a gallon for it > > > From: Dave (Skycraft) [mailto:dave@sky-craft.co.uk] > Sent: 15 March 2013 12:25 > Subject: CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 4 > > > Dear Jabiru and Rans Owners, > > > Attached is a copy of the CAA Safety Sense Leaflet No 4 which is about > Mogas and Ethanol. > > > Although this leaflet has been around since January 2012 I thought I > would re-send it. > > > We have a Jabiru customer who has been using Mogas in his aircraft and > had not realized the implications of the fuel suppliers adding ethanol > to their supplies. The Ethanol has eaten away the inside of his wing > fuel tanks, leaked out into the wing causing further damage. The long > and short of this sad tale is that both his wings are scrap and not > covered by his insurance. > > > Looking through the aircraft's log books I calculate that the savings of > using Mogas since ethanol was added may be about =A340, a replacement > set of wings will be several thousand pounds. If there is 10% Ethanol > in the fuel and the ethanol is washed out this in effect increases your > garage pump price by about 14p. > > > So it's just not worth it in our opinion. > > > Regards > > > Dave Almey > > > Aircraft require refinishing ? Click Here > <http://www.sky-craft.co.uk/acatalog/Aircraft_and_Vehicle_Refinishing.htm > l> > > > Skycraft Ltd - www.sky-craft.co.uk > > Kestrel, 621 Broadgate, Weston Hills, Spalding. Lincs. PE12 6DP. United > Kingdom > > Telephone: +44 1406 371779 > Fax: +44 1406 371783 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:27:59 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2@centurylink.net>
    Subject: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13
    Jim, greetings from S.W. Florida. I operate two Jabiru powered aircraft out of Buckingham Field. My Alpi 200 Pioneer is a Jabiru 85 h.p. has over 256 hours on unleaded auto gas. I have switched to non ethanol because my other aircraft is a Arion Lightning with a Jabiru 120 h.p. The Jabiru engine does not require non ethanol, how ever the airframe does require that fuel or avgas. No problems with either power plant. There is no perceptual lack of power with avgas or recreational gas. The spark plugs remain as new looking, no carbon or soot build up, no carb ice. The combustion chambers are free of carbon deposits as usually found using avgas. Bob Haas , N380BH N330BH. -----Original Message----- From: Jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13 <jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com> I read most of the blogs but seldom respond. It is very informative. Many of the problems that I see, I have no experienced here in the USA. I use a 91 octane no lead, no alcohol gas in my Jabiru. I have only used it for about 6 months. Main reason is I also have a Rotax in a motor glider and it hates lead, so it is convenient to fill the tanks at same time. My question is,"if What are the results in engine life and performance if you can run a non alcohol gas? With the Rotax it seems to be 50 hr oil changes instead of 25 hrs. It also means I can go to 2000 hrs TBO if I take care of it and I know of several that have. Can anyone give your history with the Jabiru in the lighting or any other aircraft for that matter. Regards Jimmy On Mar 17, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Lightning-List Digest Server <lightning-list@matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 13-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lightning-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/16/13: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 01:37 AM - Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? (James, Clive R) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:37:59 AM PST US > Subject: Lightning-List: Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? > From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com> > > Has anyone found a good fluid yet? Seems someone has proven the early > Jabiru fluid was indeed not good enough. See attached. > > Appreciate if anyone has info on an alcohol proof fluid yet. > > > Regards, Clive > > P.S. suggestions from folk to only use avgas are only accepted for folk > who are paying less than $14 a gallon for it > > > From: Dave (Skycraft) [mailto:dave@sky-craft.co.uk] > Sent: 15 March 2013 12:25 > Subject: CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 4 > > > Dear Jabiru and Rans Owners, > > > Attached is a copy of the CAA Safety Sense Leaflet No 4 which is about > Mogas and Ethanol. > > > Although this leaflet has been around since January 2012 I thought I > would re-send it. > > > We have a Jabiru customer who has been using Mogas in his aircraft and > had not realized the implications of the fuel suppliers adding ethanol > to their supplies. The Ethanol has eaten away the inside of his wing > fuel tanks, leaked out into the wing causing further damage. The long > and short of this sad tale is that both his wings are scrap and not > covered by his insurance. > > > Looking through the aircraft's log books I calculate that the savings of > using Mogas since ethanol was added may be about =A340, a replacement > set of wings will be several thousand pounds. If there is 10% Ethanol > in the fuel and the ethanol is washed out this in effect increases your > garage pump price by about 14p. > > > So it's just not worth it in our opinion. > > > Regards > > > Dave Almey > > > Aircraft require refinishing ? Click Here > <http://www.sky-craft.co.uk/acatalog/Aircraft_and_Vehicle_Refinishing.htm > l> > > > Skycraft Ltd - www.sky-craft.co.uk > > Kestrel, 621 Broadgate, Weston Hills, Spalding. Lincs. PE12 6DP. United > Kingdom > > Telephone: +44 1406 371779 > Fax: +44 1406 371783 > >




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