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| Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13 |
Thank you for the response. It is easy to get non ethanol and no lead
here in my town. Not available in lots of areas. Gas with Ethanol
has never been an option for me. I run 91 octane and could get 93
Octane but need to go to another town. I have 150 hours on the
Lightning and about 110 with the Lambada which is 80 HP Rotax. When I
pull the valve covers they look as new. I am in Southern Indiana and
the only complaint about the Jabiru is it does not like cold weather.
Otherwise it is nice engine and very smooth. I just bought a Cessna
182 and will probably sell the lightning, or so my wife tells me but
she does not know everything. My email address is
jimkulbeth@insightbb.com. I would like to ask you a few questions but
do not want it posted.. I am not too sure how this blog thing works
and got my butt in trouble one time on Facebook thinking I was talking
to one person and it went out to the world.
Let me hear from you.
Jimmy
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Haas
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs -
03/16/13
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Jim, greetings from S.W. Florida. I operate two Jabiru powered
aircraft out of Buckingham Field. My Alpi 200 Pioneer is a Jabiru 85
h.p. has over
256 hours on unleaded auto gas. I have switched to non ethanol because
my other aircraft is a Arion Lightning with a Jabiru 120 h.p. The
Jabiru engine does not require non ethanol, how ever the airframe does
require that fuel or avgas. No problems with either power plant.
There is no perceptual lack of power with avgas or recreational gas.
The spark plugs remain as new looking, no carbon or soot build up, no
carb ice. The combustion chambers are free of carbon deposits as
usually found using avgas. Bob Haas , N380BH N330BH.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/13
<jim.kulbeth@insightbb.com>
I read most of the blogs but seldom respond. It is very informative.
Many of the problems that I see, I have no experienced here in the
USA. I use a 91 octane no lead, no alcohol gas in my Jabiru. I have
only used it for about 6 months. Main reason is I also have a Rotax in
a motor glider and it hates lead, so it is convenient to fill the
tanks at same time. My question is,"if What are the results in engine
life and performance if you can run a non alcohol gas? With the Rotax
it seems to be 50 hr oil changes instead of 25 hrs. It also means I
can go to 2000 hrs TBO if I take care of it and I know of several that
have. Can anyone give your history with the Jabiru in the lighting or
any other aircraft for that matter.
Regards
Jimmy
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> 1. 01:37 AM - Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? (James, Clive
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> Time: 01:37:59 AM PST US
> Subject: Lightning-List: Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol?
> From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> Has anyone found a good fluid yet? Seems someone has proven the
early
> Jabiru fluid was indeed not good enough. See attached.
>
> Appreciate if anyone has info on an alcohol proof fluid yet.
>
>
> Regards, Clive
>
> P.S. suggestions from folk to only use avgas are only accepted for
> folk who are paying less than $14 a gallon for it
>
>
> From: Dave (Skycraft) [mailto:dave@sky-craft.co.uk]
> Sent: 15 March 2013 12:25
> Subject: CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 4
>
>
> Dear Jabiru and Rans Owners,
>
>
> Attached is a copy of the CAA Safety Sense Leaflet No 4 which is
about
> Mogas and Ethanol.
>
>
> Although this leaflet has been around since January 2012 I thought
I
> would re-send it.
>
>
> We have a Jabiru customer who has been using Mogas in his aircraft
and
> had not realized the implications of the fuel suppliers adding
ethanol
> to their supplies. The Ethanol has eaten away the inside of his wing
> fuel tanks, leaked out into the wing causing further damage. The
long
> and short of this sad tale is that both his wings are scrap and not
> covered by his insurance.
>
>
> Looking through the aircraft's log books I calculate that the
savings
> of using Mogas since ethanol was added may be about =A340, a
> replacement set of wings will be several thousand pounds. If there
is
> 10% Ethanol in the fuel and the ethanol is washed out this in effect
> increases your garage pump price by about 14p.
>
>
> So it's just not worth it in our opinion.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Dave Almey
>
>
> Aircraft require refinishing ? Click Here
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<http://www.sky-craft.co.uk/acatalog/Aircraft_and_Vehicle_Refinishing.
> htm
> l>
>
>
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| Subject: | Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol? |
That bulletin was very interesting. In my part of the country we do
not consider it Mogas, unless it is lead and ethanol free. I use a 91
octane in my 3300 Jabiru. I fly every altitude and do date have had
no problem. I made up a 50 gallon tank with filters for air and
water. I never leave the ground without checking for water in all
sumps. It was something I was taught to do when I first started
flying in 1964 and it is a habit. It has been years since I have
found any signs of water.
Just wondering however, in reading the bulletin, they were referring
to Mogas with alcohol when they were talking about the 20 degrees C.
yes or no. I have never seen that before. I have asked Jabiru about
their view of no lead no alcohol fuel but have never really gotten an
answer I can hang my hat on. My last comment is that when I do an oil
change and set a quart of old oil up on a shelf for an extended period
of time, it remains in suspension and when I was burning the lead, it
always seemed to separate after a while. I do not know if that has to
do with quality of the oil, which I have changed, or to the fuel.
Regards,
Jimmy
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James,
Clive R
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:35 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Proven sloshing fluid for Ethanol?
Has anyone found a good fluid yet? Seems someone has proven the early
Jabiru fluid was indeed not good enough. See attached.
Appreciate if anyone has info on an alcohol proof fluid yet.
Regards, Clive
P.S. suggestions from folk to only use avgas are only accepted for
folk who are paying less than $14 a gallon for it
From: Dave (Skycraft) [mailto:dave@sky-craft.co.uk]
Sent: 15 March 2013 12:25
Subject: CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 4
Dear Jabiru and Rans Owners,
Attached is a copy of the CAA Safety Sense Leaflet No 4 which is about
Mogas and Ethanol.
Although this leaflet has been around since January 2012 I thought I
would re-send it.
We have a Jabiru customer who has been using Mogas in his aircraft and
had not realized the implications of the fuel suppliers adding ethanol
to their supplies. The Ethanol has eaten away the inside of his wing
fuel tanks, leaked out into the wing causing further damage. The long
and short of this sad tale is that both his wings are scrap and not
covered by his insurance.
Looking through the aircraft=92s log books I calculate that the savings
of using Mogas since ethanol was added may be about =A340, a replacement
set of wings will be several thousand pounds. If there is 10% Ethanol
in the fuel and the ethanol is washed out this in effect increases
your garage pump price by about 14p.
So it=92s just not worth it in our opinion.
Regards
Dave Almey
Aircraft require refinishing ? Click Here
<http://www.sky-craft.co.uk/acatalog/Aircraft_and_Vehicle_Refinishing.
html>
Skycraft Ltd - www.sky-craft.co.uk
Kestrel, 621 Broadgate, Weston Hills, Spalding. Lincs. PE12 6DP.
United Kingdom
Telephone: +44 1406 371779
Fax: +44 1406 371783
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