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1. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing (gary winkler)
2. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: Rotec carb (Bill Strahan)
4. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Rotec carb (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
5. 02:17 PM - Carb Heat, which heat exchanger for carb heat? (H Lee Berrier)
6. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Rotec carb (kayberg@AOL.COM)
7. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Rotec carb (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
8. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing (GARY BARNETT)
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| Subject: | Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing |
Lightning All=2C I have used ceramic beads to balance a tires. I was told
about these the last time I put new tires on my motorcycle. I run a KUMO ru
n flat care tire on the rear of my Honda Goldwing with 3 ounces of beads an
d 2 ounces of beads in the front and the ride is great. No matter what spe
ed I am traveling the beads will move within the tire to balance it.
I decided to added 1 ounce of ceramic beads inside each tube on my rear Lig
htning tires and have found they run great. With the cost of tires I run re
treads=2C and they balance perfect no matter what speed I appy to them. Cer
amic beads are used on 18 wheelers and car tires for a long time. As a tire
wears=2C the balance changes and with stick on weights or rim weights the
lead never moves and tires will get out of balance after some mileage. The
ceramic beads always are moving and can be reused. Just some other food f
or thought.
Gary
Lightning N428GW
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing
> From: bill@gdsx.com
> Date: Tue=2C 26 Mar 2013 19:25:43 -0700
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
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> Two points:
>
> First=2C this idea came from an old R/C prop balancer I had. It was like
the magnetic balancer=2C but was just a shaft=2C two tapered cones=2C and t
he shaft had pointed ends. You just held it very lightly between your finge
rs. When I saw the magnetic balancer=2C I adapted that $3 balancer to a mag
netic version with some old hard drive magnets and a 2X4. Worked perfectly.
>
> This version obviously requires much larger magnets. :) Same idea though.
As to prop balancing=2C no need to bother with a static balance. I have a
dnya-vibe and hook that up and run the wires through the heater butterfly b
ox into the cabin so I can take readings at cruise speed and then balance f
or that specific RPM. When I get it just right=2C you can tell the increase
in vibration on either side of 2850. At that specific RPM it's like glass.
>
> I posted another video with some more detail if anyone wants to recreate
my balancer setup. http://youtu.be/53mUcjocNUQ
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> If you're near DFW=2C drop by F69 if you want to borrow it.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing |
Gary,
Another excellent idea. A friend with an RV-6 showed me his "dynamic" balan
cer on his prop. Same principle, works great! Don't know what the medium si
ze was inside his prop balancer, but they sure work. It's true there's more
than one way to skin a cat. Thanks.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, kit #110
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, gary winkler <winky53@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: gary winkler <winky53@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing
=0A=0A=0A=0ALightning All,- I have used ceramic beads to balance a tires.
I was told about these the last time I put new tires on my motorcycle. I r
un a KUMO run flat care tire on the rear of my Honda Goldwing with 3 ounces
of beads and 2 ounces of beads in the front and the ride is great.- No m
atter what speed I am traveling the beads will move within the tire-to ba
lance it.-
=0A-
=0AI decided to added 1 ounce of ceramic beads inside each tube on my rear
Lightning tires and have found they run-great. With the cost of tires I r
un retreads, and they balance perfect no matter what speed I apply to them.
-Ceramic beads are used on 18 wheelers and car tires-for a long time. A
s-a tire wears, the balance changes and with stick on weights or rim weig
hts the lead never moves and tires will get out of balance after some milea
ge.- The ceramic beads always are moving and can be reused.- Just some
other food for thought.
=0A-
=0AGary
=0ALightning N428GW-
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=0A=0A> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing
> From: bill@gdsx.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:25:43 -0700
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Two points:
>
> First, this idea came from an old R/C prop balancer I had. It was like th
e magnetic balancer, but was just a shaft, two tapered cones, and the shaft
had pointed ends. You just held it very lightly between your fingers. When
I saw the magnetic balancer, I adapted that $3 balancer to a magnetic vers
ion with some old hard drive magnets and a 2X4. Worked perfectly.
>
> This version obviously requires much larger magnets. :) Same idea though.
As to prop balancing, no need to bother with a static balance. I have a dn
ya-vibe and hook that up and run the wires through the heater butterfly box
into the cabin so I can take readings at cruise speed and then balance for
that specific RPM. When I get it just right, you can tell the increase in
vibration on either side of 2850. At that specific RPM it's like glass.
>
> I posted another video with some more detail if anyone wants to recreate
my balancer setup. http://youtu.be/53mUcjocNUQ
>
> If you're near DFW, drop by F69 if you want to borrow it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397150#397150
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Tried emailing you, but haven't seen a reply. Email me. Bill at gdsx.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397172#397172
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Hi Bill,
Sorry for the delay in replying. The status on my Lightning kit is that I a
m just about ready to hang the engine, which is still in the box. Currently
working on the panel, and I would say that the airframe is ready for prime
r/pain from the firewall aft.
There are some things that I like about the Bing carb, but I would like to
have leaning capabilities, though I do have a Parker 4Z(A1)-V4LR-B needle v
alve that I was planning to use for leaning.
I know that at least one Lightning is flying with a Revmaster 40 mm carb, a
nd that Aerovees won't work with fuel pumps, though lots of Sonex's use the
m with gravity feed.
At this time, I'm open for suggestions as to the best way to go. I don't ha
ve pricing info on the Rotec carbs, so tell me what you have in mind for yo
ur setup. Either I, or my friend Jerry may be able to use it. He's building
a Sonex V-tail.
I can call you this afternoon, or you can call me if you wish. My home numb
er is (713) 467-2575, and my cell number is (281) 536-9052. Thanks.
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com> wrote:
From: Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
Tried emailing you, but haven't seen a reply. Email me. Bill at gdsx.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397172#397172
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Carb Heat, which heat exchanger for carb heat? |
List
One exchanger is open on both ends the other is closed with a fresh air
input. Which one is for the cabin heat and which is for carb heat??
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Bernardo, it may be that you like spending a bunch of time trying to work o
ut the bugs in an engine. If so, you will enjoy changing the Bing Carb for
something that may or probably not work well. At least one Lighting has t
ried the Rotec and given up. If you want to lean a Bing, and still have r
eliability, get a Hacman control.
Perhaps you like to spend money fixing something that isnt broke. If so, g
o ahead. There is a reason 99% of Lightnings are using the Bing. Feel fre
e to ignore that and do your own testing. In fact, if you like even more
excitement, make the carb change before the first flight. An engine failu
re or loss of power on the first flight will give you an additional thrill!
!!
Yes, I am being a bit sarcastic, but hopefully that will help to communicat
e the foolishness of changing a proven engine set-up BEFORE the first flig
ht. It is not fun to have engine problems in a Lightning.
Just my opinion......
Doug Koenigsberg
-----Original Message-----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 27, 2013 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
Hi Bill,
Sorry for the delay in replying. The status on my Lightning kit is that I a
m just about ready to hang the engine, which is still in the box. Currently
working on the panel, and I would say that the airframe is ready for prime
r/pain from the firewall aft.
There are some things that I like about the Bing carb, but I would like to
have leaning capabilities, though I do have a Parker 4Z(A1)-V4LR-B needle v
alve that I was planning to use for leaning.
I know that at least one Lightning is flying with a Revmaster 40 mm carb, a
nd that Aerovees won't work with fuel pumps, though lots of Sonex's use the
m with gravity feed.
At this time, I'm open for suggestions as to the best way to go. I don't ha
ve pricing info on the Rotec carbs, so tell me what you have in mind for yo
ur setup. Either I, or my friend Jerry may be able to use it. He's building
a Sonex V-tail.
I can call you this afternoon, or you can call me if you wish. My home numb
er is (713) 467-2575, and my cell number is (281) 536-9052. Thanks.
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com> wrote:
From: Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
Tried emailing you, but haven't seen a reply. Email me. Bill at gdsx.com
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Hi Doug,
That email was meant for Bill, not the group. My fault for not paying atten
tion to the "to" bar. Oh well....
FYI, I am interested in the best and safest setup for my engine but I am al
so open to other possibilities. I have been known to make changes, even to
the airframe, now and then. This is not my first rodeo with homebuilts, hav
ing built a couple and designed a one off, so I'm prone to make changes, so
metimes for the better, sometimes not so much. That's why it's called "Expe
rimental".
What you say may have merit, but maybe there's other, better ways to do thi
ngs, like using a different carburetor on a Lightning. I know of at least o
ne Lightning with a Revmaster carb that performs great. My engine does have
a Bing and I also have my own version of a HACman. I may still go with tha
t setup, but maybe not. We shall see.
I appreciate your concern, but if I do change things around, those changes
will be well thought out and tested, I guarantee. I also like to keep my re
ar end in one piece., like most of us.
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, kayberg@AOL.COM <kayberg@AOL.COM> wrote:
From: kayberg@AOL.COM <kayberg@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
=0ABernardo, it may be that you like spending a bunch of time trying to wor
k out the bugs in an engine.- If so, you will enjoy changing the Bing Car
b for something that may or probably not work well.- At least one Lightin
g has tried the Rotec and given up.-- If you want to lean a Bing, and s
till have reliability, get a Hacman control.-- =0A=0A-=0A=0APerhaps y
ou like to spend money fixing something that isnt broke.- If so, go ahead
.- There is a reason 99% of Lightnings are using the Bing.- Feel free t
o ignore that and do your own testing.-- In fact, if you like even more
excitement, make the carb change before the first flight.-- An engine
failure or loss of power on the first flight will give you an additional th
rill!!!=0A=0A-=0A=0AYes, I am being a bit sarcastic, but hopefully that w
ill help to communicate the foolishness of changing a proven engine set-up
- BEFORE the first flight.-- It is not fun to have engine problems in
a Lightning.=0A=0A-=0A=0AJust my opinion......=0A=0A-=0A=0ADoug Koenig
sberg=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----
=0AFrom: Bernard Melendez, Jr. <n45bm@yahoo.com>
=0ATo: lightning-list <lightning-list@matronics.com>
=0ASent: Wed, Mar 27, 2013 2:35 pm
=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Bill,
=0ASorry for the delay in replying. The status on my Lightning kit is that
I am just about ready to hang the engine, which is still in the box. Curren
tly working on the panel, and I would say that the airframe is ready for pr
imer/pain from the firewall aft.
=0A
=0AThere are some things that I like about the Bing carb, but I would like
to have leaning capabilities, though I do have a Parker 4Z(A1)-V4LR-B needl
e valve that I was planning to use for leaning.
=0AI know that at least one Lightning is flying with a Revmaster 40 mm carb
, and that Aerovees won't work with fuel pumps, though lots of Sonex's use
them with gravity feed.
=0A
=0AAt this time, I'm open for suggestions as to the best way to go. I don't
have pricing info on the Rotec carbs, so tell me what you have in mind for
your setup. Either I, or my friend Jerry may be able to use it. He's=0A bu
ilding a Sonex V-tail.
=0A
=0AI can call you this afternoon, or you can call me if you wish. My home n
umber is (713) 467-2575, and my cell number is (281) 536-9052. Thanks.
=0ABernardo
=0A
=0A
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=0A--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com> wrote:
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=0AFrom: Bill Strahan <bill@gdsx.com>
=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Re: Rotec carb
=0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com
=0ADate: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 11:05 AM
=0A
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=0ATried emailing you, but haven't seen a reply. Email me. Bill at gdsx.com
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| Subject: | Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing |
GaryWhere do you buy the beads? I assume they are small enough to fit thro
ugh the valve stem. Thanks for the idea. Gary B. gbsss@bendbroadband.com
From: winky53@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing
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Lightning All=2C I have used ceramic beads to balance a tires. I was told
about these the last time I put new tires on my motorcycle. I run a KUMO ru
n flat care tire on the rear of my Honda Goldwing with 3 ounces of beads an
d 2 ounces of beads in the front and the ride is great. No matter what spe
ed I am traveling the beads will move within the tire to balance it.
=0A
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I decided to added 1 ounce of ceramic beads inside each tube on my rear Lig
htning tires and have found they run great. With the cost of tires I run re
treads=2C and they balance perfect no matter what speed I appy to them. Cer
amic beads are used on 18 wheelers and car tires for a long time. As a tire
wears=2C the balance changes and with stick on weights or rim weights the
lead never moves and tires will get out of balance after some mileage. The
ceramic beads always are moving and can be reused. Just some other food f
or thought.
=0A
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Gary
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Lightning N428GW
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> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Unorthodox Tire Balancing
> From: bill@gdsx.com
> Date: Tue=2C 26 Mar 2013 19:25:43 -0700
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Two points:
>
> First=2C this idea came from an old R/C prop balancer I had. It was like
the magnetic balancer=2C but was just a shaft=2C two tapered cones=2C and t
he shaft had pointed ends. You just held it very lightly between your finge
rs. When I saw the magnetic balancer=2C I adapted that $3 balancer to a mag
netic version with some old hard drive magnets and a 2X4. Worked perfectly.
>
> This version obviously requires much larger magnets. :) Same idea though.
As to prop balancing=2C no need to bother with a static balance. I have a
dnya-vibe and hook that up and run the wires through the heater butterfly b
ox into the cabin so I can take readings at cruise speed and then balance f
or that specific RPM. When I get it just right=2C you can tell the increase
in vibration on either side of 2850. At that specific RPM it's like glass.
>
> I posted another video with some more detail if anyone wants to recreate
my balancer setup. http://youtu.be/53mUcjocNUQ
>
> If you're near DFW=2C drop by F69 if you want to borrow it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397150#397150
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