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1. 12:52 AM - GRT Avionic (Stephen Behn)
2. 10:08 AM - Re: GRT Avionic (Matt Dralle)
3. 10:14 AM - Re: GRT Avionic (Matt Dralle)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: GRT Avionic (Mark Stauffer)
5. 10:32 AM - Re: New Owner Question (Bob Haas)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: New Owner Question (flyingchemist)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: New Owner Question (GARY BARNETT)
8. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: New Owner Question (Dennis W. Wilt)
9. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: New Owner Question (Dennis W. Wilt)
10. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: New Owner Question (Nick Otterback)
11. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: New Owner Question (Dwwilt)
12. 07:02 PM - Fw: Rudder travel (Bernard Melendez, Jr.)
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Hi All,
I have purchased a Grand Rapid HXr system for my Lightning and
am in the process of making mount brackets and positioning all the equipmen
t. I was going to fit the AHRS/Air Data Computer under the baggage compartm
ent but the harness supplied is only 4 feet long. I will have to build a lo
nger harness or put it behind the instrument panel. GRT say the magnetomete
r should be fitted in the wing tip again not easy especially when it has to
be in the same orientation as the AHRS. I would appreciate any information
and photos of the positioning of these pieces of equipment in a lightning.
Thanks in anticpation
Cheers
Steve Behn
Lightning 69
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At 12:52 AM 7/21/2013 Sunday, you wrote:
>Hi All,
> I have purchased a Grand Rapid HXr system for my Lightning and am
in the process of making mount brackets and positioning all the equipment. I was
going to fit the AHRS/Air Data Computer under the baggage compartment but the
harness supplied is only 4 feet long. I will have to build a longer harness
or put it behind the instrument panel. GRT say the magnetometer should be fitted
in the wing tip again not easy especially when it has to be in the same orientation
as the AHRS. I would appreciate any information and photos of the positioning
of these pieces of equipment in a lightning. Thanks in anticpation
>Cheers
>Steve Behn
>Lightning 69
Hi Steve,
I have an RV-8, but the installation for the GRT AHRS and Magnetometers might be
similar. Attached are some pictures of my GRT AHRS installation behind the
panel. Works great.
I didn't want to run wires all the way out to the wing tip for the Magnetometers
either so I mounted mine in the tail between the Horz and Vert stabs. Again,
worked great. I'll send some pictures of that next.
Best regards,
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
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Status: 170+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
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At 12:52 AM 7/21/2013 Sunday, you wrote:
>Hi All,
> I have purchased a Grand Rapid HXr system for my Lightning and am
in the process of making mount brackets and positioning all the equipment. I was
going to fit the AHRS/Air Data Computer under the baggage compartment but the
harness supplied is only 4 feet long. I will have to build a longer harness
or put it behind the instrument panel. GRT say the magnetometer should be fitted
in the wing tip again not easy especially when it has to be in the same orientation
as the AHRS. I would appreciate any information and photos of the positioning
of these pieces of equipment in a lightning. Thanks in anticpation
>Cheers
>Steve Behn
>Lightning 69
Steve,
Here are some pictures of my installation of the GRT Magnetometers in tail of RV-8...
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 170+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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Hi Steve,
We've installed a couple of HX systems with separate AHRS and have mounted
them under the baggage floor. While GRT's suggestion of mounting the
magnetometer in the wing tip works for RV's it's impractical for Lightnings
unless you want to make a large access cover. In the 30-40 plus GRT SX
systems we've installed we've mount the magnetometers in the tail cone.
I'll see the GRT gang at Oshkosh and ask about the provided wire length for
the AHRS. The wire bundle they provide for the magnetometer has always been
sufficient.
Best regards,
Mark
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Behn
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: GRT Avionic
Hi All,
I have purchased a Grand Rapid HXr system for my Lightning and
am in the process of making mount brackets and positioning all the
equipment. I was going to fit the AHRS/Air Data Computer under the baggage
compartment but the harness supplied is only 4 feet long. I will have to
build a longer harness or put it behind the instrument panel. GRT say the
magnetometer should be fitted in the wing tip again not easy especially when
it has to be in the same orientation as the AHRS. I would appreciate any
information and photos of the positioning of these pieces of equipment in a
lightning. Thanks in anticpation
Cheers
Steve Behn
Lightning 69
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
Greetings Dave. There is a great deal of P factor with the
Lightning, how ever My rudder deflects 3 + inches neat the top of the
rudder. You should not
need any brake to keep it straight once it starts to roll. Check the
manual for travel limits. Bob Haas N330BH.
From: David Cole
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:00 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: New Owner Question
I recently purchased N166JG, a 2007 Lightning built by the previous
owner at the factory. On take-off I have to give it full right rudder
as well as some right brake to keep it going approximately straight down
the runway. I would be hesitant to try a take-off from a runway less
than about 70 ft wide. Is this normal? If not, is there a fix?
I measured the rudder travel at the top of the rudder. It is 2 inches
left or right from centered. It seems like it should be more.
Thanks for any advice than can be provided.
Dave@SRC
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
Full rudder travel at the bottom of the rudder where it is the widest is 5 inches
left or right - a good bit less than the 8 inches it should be. I am not a
builder nor a mechanic. Is there an adjustment that will allow a little more
rudder travel?
Coming back from a fly-in the wind was 7-8 mph 80 degrees from the right. It took
full left rudder to keep it aligned with the runway. It could not have handled
another 2 miles an hour.
Dave@SRC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405017#405017
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Subject: | New Owner Question |
Dave
I generally follow what Nick said about applying power gradually during the
start of the takeoff run. I line it up while slowly rolling down the cent
er line then smoothly slide in the power over 2 or 3 seconds as I gradually
bring in full rudder. At about 10 knots you have enough airspeed to make
the rudder fully effective.
As for staying on the centerline during takeoff a lot of the problem is in
the forward cant of the pivot shaft for the nose wheel. As the wheel moves
one direction or the other it creates a positive feedback. In other words
the turning force increases the further it turns. The reverse of a bicycle
front wheel. When you put in rudder to stop the turn and bring it back t
o the centerline you will find you must decrease the rudder input in advanc
e the straight ahead position or you overshoot to the other side. Most of
us are not that fast so you inevitably weave down the runway a foot or two
on either side of the centerline during takeoff. I noticed in the last new
sletter Arion has come out with a vertical pivot shaft for the nose wheel w
eldment similar the Lancair's and RV's. I will eventually change my nose w
heel mount to that type. It will make takeoffs a lot smoother.
Good luck with your new Lightning. Gary Barnett N335AL SN133
From: dbcole@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Lightning-List: New Owner Question
I recently purchased N166JG=2C a 2007 Lightning built by the previous owner
at the factory. On take-off I have to give it full right rudder as well a
s some right brake to keep it going approximately straight down the runway.
I would be hesitant to try a take-off from a runway less than about 70 ft
wide. Is this normal? If not=2C is there a fix?
I measured the rudder travel at the top of the rudder. It is 2 inches left
or right from centered. It seems like it should be more.
Thanks for any advice than can be provided.
Dave@SRC
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
If you are having the rudder hitting the edge of the vertical stabilizer, t
hen there is an issue.
1. Look at the bottom bracket that connects the rudder to the vertical stab
ilizer.
2. There should be two stop bolts in the bracket. If they are not there, th
ey should be installed, look at the installation instructions on the flylig
htning.net web site.
3. If they are there and the rudder is hitting the edge of the vertical st
abilizer before the stop bolts hit their stops, then material needs to be s
anded off the vertical stabilizer so you get full rudder travel.
Again, look at the installation instructions that can be found here:
http://www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
Program and Project Management
757-784-8113
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: flyingchemist <dbcole@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 21, 2013 3:11 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: New Owner Question
>
Full rudder travel at the bottom of the rudder where it is the widest is 5
inches left or right - a good bit less than the 8 inches it should be. I a
m not
a builder nor a mechanic. Is there an adjustment that will allow a little
more
rudder travel?
Coming back from a fly-in the wind was 7-8 mph 80 degrees from the right.
It
took full left rudder to keep it aligned with the runway. It could not hav
e
handled another 2 miles an hour.
Dave@SRC
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Dave@SRC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405017#405017
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
I directed you to the build manual and after looking at it, I can't find th
e instructions I just gave you in the build manual. I built my plane at Gr
een Landings Flight Center and I remember doing these steps when I did the
rudder install. Maybe Mark or Nick can find the correct instructions, I di
d not find them. The two stop bolts should be installed in the bracket and
the rudder should not hit the vertical stabilizer at full travel.
Regards,
Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
Program and Project Management
757-784-8113
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: flyingchemist <dbcole@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 21, 2013 3:11 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: New Owner Question
>
Full rudder travel at the bottom of the rudder where it is the widest is 5
inches left or right - a good bit less than the 8 inches it should be. I a
m not
a builder nor a mechanic. Is there an adjustment that will allow a little
more
rudder travel?
Coming back from a fly-in the wind was 7-8 mph 80 degrees from the right.
It
took full left rudder to keep it aligned with the runway. It could not hav
e
handled another 2 miles an hour.
Dave@SRC
--------
Dave@SRC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405017#405017
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
166JG would not have the stops, it is to early of an airframe. The rudder ma
y rub along the vertical tail skins but the skins shouldnt keep it from movi
ng far enough, would mostly just rub the finish. It may be hard to explain o
n an email so i will send a picture in the morning of where you may have to c
heck for clearance and what to adjust.
Nick
Sent from my pocket
On Jul 21, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt@AOL.COM> wrote:
> I directed you to the build manual and after looking at it, I can't find t
he instructions I just gave you in the build manual. I built my plane at Gr
een Landings Flight Center and I remember doing these steps when I did the r
udder install. Maybe Mark or Nick can find the correct instructions, I did n
ot find them. The two stop bolts should be installed in the bracket and the
rudder should not hit the vertical stabilizer at full travel.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
> Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
> Program and Project Management
> 757-784-8113
> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flyingchemist <dbcole@sbcglobal.net>
> To: lightning-list <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 21, 2013 3:11 pm
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: New Owner Question
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> inches left or right - a good bit less than the 8 inches it should be. I a
m not
> a builder nor a mechanic. Is there an adjustment that will allow a little
more
> rudder travel?
>
> Coming back from a fly-in the wind was 7-8 mph 80 degrees from the right.
It
> took full left rudder to keep it aligned with the runway. It could not ha
ve
> handled another 2 miles an hour.
>
> Dave@SRC
>
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Subject: | Re: New Owner Question |
Thanks Nick.
Blue Skies,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 21, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 166JG would not have the stops, it is to early of an airframe. The rudder m
ay rub along the vertical tail skins but the skins shouldnt keep it from mov
ing far enough, would mostly just rub the finish. It may be hard to explain o
n an email so i will send a picture in the morning of where you may have to c
heck for clearance and what to adjust.
>
> Nick
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> Sent from my pocket
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> On Jul 21, 2013, at 4:17 PM, "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
>> I directed you to the build manual and after looking at it, I can't find t
he instructions I just gave you in the build manual. I built my plane at Gr
een Landings Flight Center and I remember doing these steps when I did the r
udder install. Maybe Mark or Nick can find the correct instructions, I did n
ot find them. The two stop bolts should be installed in the bracket and the
rudder should not hit the vertical stabilizer at full travel.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
>> Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
>> Program and Project Management
>> 757-784-8113
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: flyingchemist <dbcole@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: lightning-list <lightning-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 21, 2013 3:11 pm
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: New Owner Question
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>> Full rudder travel at the bottom of the rudder where it is the widest is 5
>> inches left or right - a good bit less than the 8 inches it should be. I
am not
>> a builder nor a mechanic. Is there an adjustment that will allow a littl
e more
>> rudder travel?
>>
>> Coming back from a fly-in the wind was 7-8 mph 80 degrees from the right.
It
>> took full left rudder to keep it aligned with the runway. It could not h
ave
>> handled another 2 miles an hour.
>>
>> Dave@SRC
>>
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Subject: | Fw: Rudder travel |
I had the same question. Nick O. answered it thus. Hope this helps.=0ABerna
rdo=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message -----=0AFrom: Nick Otterback <nick@flyl
ightning.net>=0ATo: n45bm@yahoo.com =0ACc: mark@flylightning.net =0ASent: T
hursday, March 15, 2012 3:10 PM=0ASubject: RE: Rudder travel=0A =0A=0A=0ABe
rnardo,=0A=C2-=0AHope this helps.=0A=C2-=0ANick Otterback=0AArion Aircr
aft LLC=0AR&D Technical Support=0A931-680-1781=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-
=0AFrom:Mark Stauffer [mailto:mark@flylightning.net] =0ASent: Thursday, Mar
ch 15, 2012 2:30 PM=0ATo: n45bm@yahoo.com=0ACc: nick@flylightning.net=0ASub
ject: RE: Rudder travel=0A=C2-=0AHi Bernardo,=0A=C2-=0AI=99m cc
=99ing Nick for his response. I=99m 99% sure it=99s 70 de
grees off the centerline for a total of 140 degrees of travel but please wa
it for Nick=99s confirmation before drilling.=0A=C2-=0AThanks!=0A
=C2-=0AMark=0A=C2-=0AFrom:Bernard Melendez, Jr. [mailto:n45bm@yahoo.com
] =0ASent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 9:49 AM=0ATo: Mark Stauffer=0ASubject:
Re: Rudder travel=0A=C2-=0AHi Mark,=0AIs that 70 degrees total travel fro
m the hinge bolt or at the center line where the aluminum meets the fiber g
lass? In the newsletter, those lines appear to be about 90 degrees apart an
d emanating next to the vertical 'glass. Just trying to get the correct pic
ture in my head before I drill the aluminum. Thanks.=0ABernardo=0A=0A--- On
Thu, 3/15/12, Mark Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net> wrote:=0A=0AFrom: Mark
Stauffer <mark@flylightning.net>=0ASubject: Rudder travel=0ATo: "'Bernard
Melendez, Jr.'" <n45bm@yahoo.com>=0ACc: nick@flylightning.net=0ADate: Thurs
day, March 15, 2012, 7:43 AM=0AHi Bernardo,=0A=C2-=0AThanks for the email
s, I=99ll add a couple per month to the newsletters as space and time
permit.=0A=C2-=0AI spoke with Nick and the rudder stops are placed 70 de
grees off center and the center of the 3/16=9D hole is 3/8=9D i
n from the edge.=0A=C2-=0AHope this helps!=0A=C2-=0ABest regards,=0A=C2
-=0AMark=0A=C2-=0AMark Stauffer=0AProduction Manager=0AArion Aircraft,
LLC=0A2842 Highway 231 North=0AShelbyville, TN 37160=0A(931) 680-1781
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