---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/19/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:26 AM - Lightning Jet empty weight (George Andre) 2. 09:37 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Dennis W. Wilt) 3. 10:09 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback) 4. 03:08 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (geather) 5. 03:32 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Max Voronin) 6. 05:27 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Linda Mathias) 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback) 8. 05:57 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (ritchie@wave.co.nz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:55 AM PST US From: George Andre Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp ed,-comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.=0A=0AGeorge Andre ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight From: "Dennis W. Wilt" George, My plane came in at 886 lbs. Regards, Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert Program and Project Management 757-784-8113 N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132) -----Original Message----- From: George Andre Sent: Sat, Jul 19, 2014 12:27 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp ed, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my s cales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. George Andre ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight George, What's your empty weight? And did you re weigh after the chute came out? Nick Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, George Andre wrote: > > I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as o pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. > > George Andre > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight From: geather 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127 Geoff Eather (Aust) > On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre wrote: > > I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as o pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. > > George Andre > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:30 PM PST US From: Max Voronin Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight The one I built ended up around 820 lbs if I remember right Epoxy primer and paint, no clear coat S/n 93 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, geather wrote: > > 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127 > > Geoff Eather (Aust) > > >> On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre wrote: >> >> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. >> >> George Andre >> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ning-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight From: Linda Mathias George, My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glass c ockpit. Linda Mathias Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre wrote: > > I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as o pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. > > George Andre > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:52 PM PST US From: Nick Otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight Our first demo 323AL was 830lbs, single EFIS no AP wood prop ect. N324AL was 850 with dual EFIS, AP, long wings ect. Generally around 820lbs very basic, to 900 loaded with everything. Our scales are digital racing scales and we w eigh the planes in full dress with oil and no fuel. Have posted several PICs on FB of them on scales. The heaviest yet was the XS with the lycoming O320 and it was 1013 lbs. The planes with the EAB gear are lighter, the wide track gear weighs 13lbs m ore, Carbon props are about 5lbs heavier than wood. The interiors from B&B A re extremely nice but are heavy as well. steps weigh 3lbs a side. Over the years from the early SN to newer ones the airframes lost weight. Th e fuselages used to weigh around 115lbs now they are about 105lbs, wing pane ls were about 90lbs and now around 75lbs. Same win small parts ect. We have c hanged cores resins and layup schedules to produce lighter parts while retai ning strength. It seems the biggest weight gain is the advancement in avionics and all the s tuff you can stick in a plane. Nick Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Linda Mathias wrote: > > George, > My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glas s cockpit. > Linda Mathias > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre wrote: >> >> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all. >> >> George Andre >> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ning-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US From: ritchie@wave.co.nz Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight My lightning's empty weight is 894 lbs. The dual Grand Rapids and Auto pilot add that little extra weight. regards, Ron Ritchie On 20/07/2014 04:26, George Andre wrote: > I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty > weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' > numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your > weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that > is > very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory > advertisements. 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