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Hi,
My D-ELIY was propably the Heavyweight Champion!
The precision scales provided by my Examiner showed 410kg / 903lbs empty
incl. unusable fuel. Apparently the result of a very generous car
painter`s paintjob. White, then design, then clear coat.
D-EGFL will be somewhat better, although not lighter, of course, due to
the increased weight of ULP.390 engine and steel gear legs. But a friend
has spent hours of hard work to sand off about 40lbs of Gelcoat, and
the painter was reminded to keep the paint thin.
If I can keep it under 425kg /935lbs empty I`m happy. MTOW will be
700kg/ 1540lbs.
Gerd
Am 22.07.2014 09:00, schrieb Lightning-List Digest Server:
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> 1. 06:36 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14 (George Andre)
> 2. 06:36 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14 (George Andre)
> 3. 05:19 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (GARY BARNETT)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:36:45 AM PST US
> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14
>
>
> Thanks to all who responded.
> My EAB jet empty weight is 895 which was strangely high because my friend with
> a factory LS-1 has empty wt of 840 and has considerably more equipment (avionics
> and autopilot) than mine. This 895 number is the same as original wt of plane
> when equipped with a BRS chute.
> I weighed with zero fuel on fancy electronic racing scales. Nick- this after
chute
> removed. My new LSA wing tips are heavier and we put on the steps, B&B interior
> (lighter than what was in place) plus grnd adjust prop, but I have minimum
> avionics, and wide track gear.
> I'm happy to see others are in the same ballpark.
> Thanks again....George Andr...jet kit #11
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:00, Lightning-List Digest Server <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> wrote:
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>> 1. 09:26 AM - Lightning Jet empty weight (George Andre)
>> 2. 09:37 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Dennis W. Wilt)
>> 3. 10:09 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback)
>> 4. 03:08 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (geather)
>> 5. 03:32 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Max Voronin)
>> 6. 05:27 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Linda Mathias)
>> 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback)
>> 8. 05:57 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (ritchie@wave.co.nz)
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>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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>> Time: 09:26:55 AM PST US
>> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight
>> for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp
>> ed,-comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my
>> scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.=0A=0AGeorge Andre
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt@AOL.COM>
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> My plane came in at 886 lbs.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
>> Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
>> Program and Project Management
>> 757-784-8113
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 19, 2014 12:27 pm
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>>
>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight
>> for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp
>> ed, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my s
>> cales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>
>>
>> George Andre
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US
>> From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> George,
>>
>> What's your empty weight? And did you re weigh after the chute came out?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
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>> 3D===============3
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>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:08:18 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: geather <geather@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>> 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127
>>
>> Geoff Eather (Aust)
>>
>>
>>> On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:32:30 PM PST US
>> From: Max Voronin <voroninmax@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> The one I built ended up around 820 lbs if I remember right
>> Epoxy primer and paint, no clear coat
>> S/n 93
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, geather <geather@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127
>>>
>>> Geoff Eather (Aust)
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig
>> ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe
>> d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca
>> les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>>> George Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D=============
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>>>> ning-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>>>> D=============
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>>>> //forums.matronics.com
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
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>>>> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:27:03 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: Linda Mathias <lbmathias1@gmail.com>
>>
>> George,
>> My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glass
c
>> ockpit.
>> Linda Mathias
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:55:52 PM PST US
>> From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> Our first demo 323AL was 830lbs, single EFIS no AP wood prop ect. N324AL was
>> 850 with dual EFIS, AP, long wings ect. Generally around 820lbs very basic,
>> to 900 loaded with everything. Our scales are digital racing scales and we w
>> eigh the planes in full dress with oil and no fuel. Have posted several PICs
>> on FB of them on scales. The heaviest yet was the XS with the lycoming O320
>> and it was 1013 lbs.
>>
>> The planes with the EAB gear are lighter, the wide track gear weighs 13lbs m
>> ore, Carbon props are about 5lbs heavier than wood. The interiors from B&B A
>> re extremely nice but are heavy as well. steps weigh 3lbs a side.
>>
>> Over the years from the early SN to newer ones the airframes lost weight. Th
>> e fuselages used to weigh around 115lbs now they are about 105lbs, wing pane
>> ls were about 90lbs and now around 75lbs. Same win small parts ect. We have
c
>> hanged cores resins and layup schedules to produce lighter parts while retai
>> ning strength.
>>
>> It seems the biggest weight gain is the advancement in avionics and all the
s
>> tuff you can stick in a plane.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Linda Mathias <lbmathias1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> George,
>>> My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glas
>> s cockpit.
>>> Linda Mathias
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig
>> ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe
>> d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca
>> les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>>> George Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> ning-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> //forums.matronics.com
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> D=============
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US
>> From: ritchie@wave.co.nz
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>>
>> My lightning's empty weight is 894 lbs. The dual Grand Rapids and Auto
>> pilot add that little extra weight.
>> regards,
>> Ron Ritchie
>>
>>> On 20/07/2014 04:26, George Andre wrote:
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty
>>> weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed'
>>> numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your
>>> weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that
>>> is
>>> very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory
>>> advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ????
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
>>> George Andre
>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>>> [2] http://forums.matronics.com
>>> [3] http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:36:45 AM PST US
> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/19/14
>
>
> Thanks to all who responded.
> My EAB jet empty weight is 895 which was strangely high because my friend with
> a factory LS-1 has empty wt of 840 and has considerably more equipment (avionics
> and autopilot) than mine. This 895 number is the same as original wt of plane
> when equipped with a BRS chute.
> I weighed with zero fuel on fancy electronic racing scales. Nick- this after
chute
> removed. My new LSA wing tips are heavier and we put on the steps, B&B interior
> (lighter than what was in place) plus grnd adjust prop, but I have minimum
> avionics, and wide track gear.
> I'm happy to see others are in the same ballpark.
> Thanks again....George Andr...jet kit #11
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:00, Lightning-List Digest Server <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> wrote:
>> *
>>
>> ================================================
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>> ================================================
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>> Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the
>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
>> of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
>> HTML Version:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-07-19&Archive=Lightning
>>
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>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-07-19&Archive=Lightning
>>
>>
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>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ==============================================
>>
>>
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>> Total Messages Posted Sat 07/19/14: 8
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 09:26 AM - Lightning Jet empty weight (George Andre)
>> 2. 09:37 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Dennis W. Wilt)
>> 3. 10:09 AM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback)
>> 4. 03:08 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (geather)
>> 5. 03:32 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Max Voronin)
>> 6. 05:27 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Linda Mathias)
>> 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (Nick Otterback)
>> 8. 05:57 PM - Re: Lightning Jet empty weight (ritchie@wave.co.nz)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:26:55 AM PST US
>> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight
>> for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp
>> ed,-comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my
>> scales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.=0A=0AGeorge Andre
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt@AOL.COM>
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> My plane came in at 886 lbs.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dennis W. Wilt, Aviation Consultant
>> Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance Subject Matter Expert
>> Program and Project Management
>> 757-784-8113
>> N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 19, 2014 12:27 pm
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>>
>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weight
>> for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipp
>> ed, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my s
>> cales (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>
>>
>> George Andre
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 10:09:48 AM PST US
>> From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> George,
>>
>> What's your empty weight? And did you re weigh after the chute came out?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:08:18 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: geather <geather@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>> 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127
>>
>> Geoff Eather (Aust)
>>
>>
>>> On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:32:30 PM PST US
>> From: Max Voronin <voroninmax@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> The one I built ended up around 820 lbs if I remember right
>> Epoxy primer and paint, no clear coat
>> S/n 93
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:07 PM, geather <geather@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> 400 Kg (882 lbs). Kit 127
>>>
>>> Geoff Eather (Aust)
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 20 Jul 2014, at 2:26 am, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig
>> ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe
>> d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca
>> les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>>> George Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> ning-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> //forums.matronics.com
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>>>> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> D=============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>>
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:27:03 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>> From: Linda Mathias <lbmathias1@gmail.com>
>>
>> George,
>> My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glass
c
>> ockpit.
>> Linda Mathias
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weigh
>> t for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
o
>> pposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balance
>> papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equipped,
>> comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my scale
>> s (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>> George Andre
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>> 3D===============3
>> D=============
>> =============
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:55:52 PM PST US
>> From: Nick Otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>> Our first demo 323AL was 830lbs, single EFIS no AP wood prop ect. N324AL was
>> 850 with dual EFIS, AP, long wings ect. Generally around 820lbs very basic,
>> to 900 loaded with everything. Our scales are digital racing scales and we w
>> eigh the planes in full dress with oil and no fuel. Have posted several PICs
>> on FB of them on scales. The heaviest yet was the XS with the lycoming O320
>> and it was 1013 lbs.
>>
>> The planes with the EAB gear are lighter, the wide track gear weighs 13lbs m
>> ore, Carbon props are about 5lbs heavier than wood. The interiors from B&B A
>> re extremely nice but are heavy as well. steps weigh 3lbs a side.
>>
>> Over the years from the early SN to newer ones the airframes lost weight. Th
>> e fuselages used to weigh around 115lbs now they are about 105lbs, wing pane
>> ls were about 90lbs and now around 75lbs. Same win small parts ect. We have
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>> hanged cores resins and layup schedules to produce lighter parts while retai
>> ning strength.
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>> It seems the biggest weight gain is the advancement in avionics and all the
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>> tuff you can stick in a plane.
>>
>> Nick
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Linda Mathias <lbmathias1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> George,
>>> My Lightning's empty wt is 883 lbs and has a fully IFR panel with glas
>> s cockpit.
>>> Linda Mathias
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, George Andre <glandre@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty weig
>> ht for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed' numbers as
>> opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your weight and balan
>> ce papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that is very sparsely equippe
>> d, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory advertisements. Either my sca
>> les (electronic) are way off or ???? Thanks to all.
>>>> George Andre
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>> Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US
>> From: ritchie@wave.co.nz
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
>>
>>
>> My lightning's empty weight is 894 lbs. The dual Grand Rapids and Auto
>> pilot add that little extra weight.
>> regards,
>> Ron Ritchie
>>
>>> On 20/07/2014 04:26, George Andre wrote:
>>> I am doing a survey and would like to know what others have as empty
>>> weight for their Lightnings. I would like to have actual 'as weighed'
>>> numbers as opposed to what the factory has put out. Please check your
>>> weight and balance papers and respond to this forum. My plane, that
>>> is
>>> very sparsely equipped, comes in at 40 lbs heavier than the factory
>>> advertisements. Either my scales (electronic) are way off or ????
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
>>> George Andre
>>>
>>>
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>>> [2] http://forums.matronics.com
>>> [3] http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> Time: 05:19:53 PM PST US
> From: GARY BARNETT <barnett6088@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
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> George
> My factory built lightning when checked at Gregg Hobbs place weighed slight
> ly more than 900 Lbs. dry empty weight. That was with the MK 2 tail feathe
> rs and fairings. I would give you an exact weight but the data is at the h
> anger and some distance away from my home.
> Gary Barnett N335AL ELSA sn 133
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> From: glandre@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Jet empty weight
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