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Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.
The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.
I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming
issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that
the injectors may need bleeding.
After bleeding the injectors all was well
I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went
with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart
How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?
Thanks again for the help
Mike
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<owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM Primer issue
The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a
pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a
common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a
Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a
couple of squirts.
Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or
have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the
lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is
engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting
from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a
Slickstart.
Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.
Steve
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On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com> > <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com> > wrote:
Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and
I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster
Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer
I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce
<https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php>
https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php
Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve
<https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=2834
3>
https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343
This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve
in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for
a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at
what pressure the nozzle opens?
Thanks
Mike
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owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com <
<mailto:owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM STARTER
The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you
absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a
volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you
attempt to start the engine.
How close is the reading to 12v?
With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily
when you press the starter button?
Does the engine turn freely by hand?
Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it
takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead
acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however.
Steve
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Stephen Beaver
Tel: <tel:614-937-4189> 614-937-4189
On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, < <mailto:mike@vision499.com>
mike@vision499.com> < <mailto:mike@vision499.com> mike@vision499.com> wrote:
Hello All
Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for
first time to-day.
Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems
to struggle to get past one compression stroke.
Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly
Any advise or observations?
Thanks
Mike
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Wentworth aircraft sell Slickstarts for about $200. I have bought
several from there for LOM users overseas.
There are two main advantages:
1. Less maintenance since there are no points to clean and adjust
2. Much more reliable starting if the battery is weak. (The
Slickstart operates down to about 8 volts, so if the prop moves even one
compression, the engine will likely start)
Steve
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Tel: 614-937-4189
> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:01 PM, <mike@vision499.com> <mike@vision499.com>
wrote:
>
> Thank you very much to everybody that assisted.
>
> The engine finally started and is running very smoothly.
>
> I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the
priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend
suggested that the injectors may need bleeding.
>
> After bleeding the injectors all was well
>
> I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and
went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart
>
> How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart?
>
> Thanks again for the help
>
> Mike
>
> From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com>
<owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
> Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM
> To: lom-list@matronics.com <mailto:lom-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM Primer issue
>
> The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires
a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable
with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to
open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start
readily with a couple of squirts.
>
> Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator?
(Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator,
take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the
starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning
and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace
them with a Slickstart.
>
> Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance.
>
> Steve
> --
> Stephen Beaver
> Tel: 614-937-4189 <tel:614-937-4189>
>
>
>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com>> <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on
youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn
much faster
>>
>> Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer
>>
>> I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce
>>
>> https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php
<https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php>
>> Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve
>>
>>
https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=2
8343
<https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=
28343>
>> This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open
the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on
what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I
can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com>
<owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com>> On Behalf Of sjbeaver
>> Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM
>> To: lom-list@matronics.com <mailto:lom-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM STARTER
>>
>> The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are
you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then
put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage
when you attempt to start the engine.
>>
>> How close is the reading to 12v?
>> With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and
easily when you press the starter button?
>> Does the engine turn freely by hand?
>>
>> Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing,
it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9
AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v,
however.
>>
>> Steve
>> --
>> Stephen Beaver
>> Tel: 614-937-4189 <tel:614-937-4189>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com>> <mike@vision499.com
<mailto:mike@vision499.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All
>>>
>>> Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt
starter for first time to-day.
>>>
>>> Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and
seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke.
>>> Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly
>>>
>>> Any advise or observations?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Mike Pienaar
>>> mike@vision499.com <mailto:ike@vision499.com>
>>> Home: +1 250-999-8121 <tel:+1%20250-999-8121>
>>> Mike cell: +1 250-885-0554 <tel:+1%20250-885-0554>
>>> 1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2
>>>
>>>
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