---------------------------------------------------------- Lom-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/02/18: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:01 AM - LOM STARTED () 2. 10:13 AM - Re: LOM STARTED (sjbeaver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:36 AM PST US From: Subject: Lom-List: LOM STARTED Thank you very much to everybody that assisted. The engine finally started and is running very smoothly. I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding. After bleeding the injectors all was well I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart? Thanks again for the help Mike From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of sjbeaver Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM Primer issue The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts. Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart. Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance. Steve -- Stephen Beaver Tel: 614-937-4189 On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, > > wrote: Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=28343 This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens? Thanks Mike From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com < owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of sjbeaver Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM STARTER The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine. How close is the reading to 12v? With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button? Does the engine turn freely by hand? Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however. Steve -- Stephen Beaver Tel: 614-937-4189 On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, < mike@vision499.com> < mike@vision499.com> wrote: Hello All Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day. Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke. Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly Any advise or observations? Thanks Mike Mike Pienaar m ike@vision499.com Home: +1 250-999-8121 Mike cell: +1 250-885-0554 1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2 Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:44 AM PST US From: sjbeaver Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM STARTED Wentworth aircraft sell Slickstarts for about $200. I have bought several from there for LOM users overseas. There are two main advantages: 1. Less maintenance since there are no points to clean and adjust 2. Much more reliable starting if the battery is weak. (The Slickstart operates down to about 8 volts, so if the prop moves even one compression, the engine will likely start) Steve -- Stephen Beaver Tel: 614-937-4189 > On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:01 PM, wrote: > > Thank you very much to everybody that assisted. > > The engine finally started and is running very smoothly. > > I borrowed a manual primer pump from a friend and that solved the priming issue, it started but would not run continuously and a friend suggested that the injectors may need bleeding. > > After bleeding the injectors all was well > > I bought a SLICKSTART on e-bay a while back but it is defective and went with the vibrator instead of getting a new Slickstart > > How much of an improvement is there with a Slickstart? > > Thanks again for the help > > Mike > > From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com > On Behalf Of sjbeaver > Sent: October 25, 2018 4:39 AM > To: lom-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM Primer issue > > The primer nozzle is just another fuel injector nozzle and so requires a pressure of somewhere in the 80 psi+ range. That is easily achievable with a common plunger type primer, but there is no way it is going to open with a Facet pump. LOMs are hard to start without prime, but start readily with a couple of squirts. > > Since you are concerned about starting, how is you starter vibrator? (Or have you installed a Slickstart?) If you are using the vibrator, take the lid off and ensure that it is vibrating vigorously when the starter is engaged. They are finicky little buggers and require cleaning and adjusting from time to time, which is why so many people replace them with a Slickstart. > > Feel free to telephone if I can be of assistance. > > Steve > -- > Stephen Beaver > Tel: 614-937-4189 > > >> On Oct 25, 2018, at 12:04 AM, > > wrote: >> >> Thank you very much for the help with the starter, I checked on youtube and I think my starter is normal, I just expected it to turn much faster >> >> Main culprit that has now been identified is an inoperative primer >> >> I am using a facet fuel pump from Aircraft spruce >> >> https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php >> Combined with an electric solenoid engine primer valve >> >> https://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/appages/elsolprimer.php?clickkey=2 8343 >> This combination does not seem to generate enough pressure to open the valve in the primer nozzle in the intake manifold, suggestions on what to use for a primer pump would be appreciated. Any ideas on where I can find out at what pressure the nozzle opens? >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> From: owner-lom-list-server@matronics.com > On Behalf Of sjbeaver >> Sent: October 22, 2018 4:29 AM >> To: lom-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Lom-List: LOM STARTER >> >> The 12v version of the starter is quite rare, so I must first ask are you absolutely 100% sure that you have a 12v starter? If you are, then put a volt meter across the starter terminal and measure the voltage when you attempt to start the engine. >> >> How close is the reading to 12v? >> With the supercharger disengaged, does the starter spin quickly and easily when you press the starter button? >> Does the engine turn freely by hand? >> >> Since the starter drives the engine through the supercharger gearing, it takes rather less power than most starters. I use only very small 9 AH lead acid battery and my engine cranks vigorously. It is 24v, however. >> >> Steve >> -- >> Stephen Beaver >> Tel: 614-937-4189 >> >> >> >>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:16 AM, > > wrote: >>> >>> Hello All >>> >>> Tried to start my 4 cylinder LOM with supercharger and 12 volt starter for first time to-day. >>> >>> Starter seems very sluggish and does not want to spin the engine and seems to struggle to get past one compression stroke. >>> Wiring does not get warm but starter gets warm very quickly >>> >>> Any advise or observations? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Mike Pienaar >>> mike@vision499.com >>> Home: +1 250-999-8121 >>> Mike cell: +1 250-885-0554 >>> 1-1100 Tulip Ave, Victoria, BC, V8Z 0A2 >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lom-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lom-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lom-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lom-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.