---------------------------------------------------------- LycomingEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/07: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Plenum vs engine lifting rings (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 07:59 AM - Re: Plenum vs engine lifting rings (Hopperdhh@AOL.COM) 3. 08:18 AM - Re: Plenum vs engine lifting rings (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 08:37 AM - Re: Plenum vs engine lifting rings () 5. 09:28 AM - Solved: Plenum vs engine lifting rings (Ralph E. Capen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:32 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings Folks, I am starting the work on my cowl/plenum. Looks like I'll need to remove the lifting rings from the top of the engine. The bolts are too long to just put back in and a 4-15 would fit nicely. The issue that I am seeing is that the original bolts are coarse thread - and I can't figure out what to order - or from where for that matter. Any guidance would be appreciated, Ralph ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:52 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@AOL.COM Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings Ralph, You can order the bolts from Aircraft Specialties. They would probably be glad to look the part number up for you. Truth be told, I don't think some bolts from the hardware store or NAPA would hurt a thing. Uh oh, I better go find my nomex underwear! Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 5/7/2007 7:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, recapen@earthlink.net writes: Folks, I am starting the work on my cowl/plenum. Looks like I'll need to remove the lifting rings from the top of the engine. The bolts are too long to just put back in and a 4-15 would fit nicely. The issue that I am seeing is that the original bolts are coarse thread - and I can't figure out what to order - or from where for that matter. Any guidance would be appreciated, Ralph ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:10 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings Thanks for the tip....I'll give aircraft specialties a look see! Other educated sources say that a coarse grade 8 bolt is sufficient as you have indicated - fine thread may allow too much torque nd possibly crack the case. -----Original Message----- >From: Hopperdhh@aol.com >Sent: May 7, 2007 10:59 AM >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings > > > >Ralph, > >You can order the bolts from Aircraft Specialties. They would probably be >glad to look the part number up for you. Truth be told, I don't think some >bolts from the hardware store or NAPA would hurt a thing. Uh oh, I better go find >my nomex underwear! > >Dan Hopper >RV-7A > > >In a message dated 5/7/2007 7:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, >recapen@earthlink.net writes: > > >Folks, > >I am starting the work on my cowl/plenum. Looks like I'll need to remove the >lifting rings from the top of the engine. The bolts are too long to just put >back in and a 4-15 would fit nicely. The issue that I am seeing is that the >original bolts are coarse thread - and I can't figure out what to order - or >from where for that matter. > >Any guidance would be appreciated, >Ralph > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:10 AM PST US From: <923te@COX.NET> Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings Just a heads up, I'm not sure how critical 1 or 2 bolts in the top of the crankcase are but I would be concerned about the higher probability of counterfeit bolts at a hardware store selling non-AN or non mil-psec hardware. Counterfeit bolts: http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/Argonne_News/2005/an050411.htm#story3 . The counterfeit bolts are marked as being a certain grade, he explained, but in reality "they are a lower strength than what's needed to do the job." Lagessie replaced the counterfeit bolts and brought them to the attention of his division's Quality Assurance representative. Lagessie said his concern about safety and counterfeit materials is driven by an incident that occurred while he was serving in the U.S. Navy: A counterfeit bolt broke loose from a catapult a powerful device used to launch aircraft from carriers _ and struck a crewmember, killing him instantly. http://www.businessweek.com/1996/24/b34791.htm LOOSE BOLTS. Outside the U.S., the picture is even more troubling. Crashes include a Convair 580 belonging to Norway's Partnair charter airline, which disintegrated 22,000 feet over the North Sea in 1989, killing all 55 people aboard. The cause? Counterfeit bolts and bushings in the plane's tail, according to Norwegian aviation officials. Investigators, who were able to reassemble the wreckage in a hangar, said the plane's tail shimmied violently as the bolts came loose--and fell off in midair. Lawyers for the now-defunct airline deny the bogus parts caused the crash. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:32 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: LycomingEngines-List: Solved: Plenum vs engine lifting rings The folks at Barrett Precision Engines called me and took care of exactly what I needed. Excellent way to run a business! -----Original Message----- >From: "Ralph E. Capen" >Sent: May 7, 2007 7:22 AM >To: lycoming engine list , James Acft list >Subject: LycomingEngines-List: Plenum vs engine lifting rings > > >Folks, > >I am starting the work on my cowl/plenum. Looks like I'll need to remove the lifting rings from the top of the engine. The bolts are too long to just put back in and a 4-15 would fit nicely. The issue that I am seeing is that the original bolts are coarse thread - and I can't figure out what to order - or from where for that matter. > >Any guidance would be appreciated, >Ralph > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lycomingengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/LycomingEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lycomingengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lycomingengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.