---------------------------------------------------------- LycomingEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/08/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 PM - Re: Odd running cylinder - cured! (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 02:50 PM - Re: Odd running cylinder - cured! (James Quinn) 3. 05:27 PM - Re: Odd running cylinder - cured! (FLYaDIVE) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:37 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! Scratches on the top of the nozzle where the restrictor sits. In fact the entire top looked kinda mangled. White cloth came out clean..... -----Original Message----- >From: "Ralph E. Capen" >Sent: May 1, 2012 10:48 AM >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! > >I'll do the white cloth - just in case anything falls out. I'm betting on the scratches personally - I had taken it apart and cleaned the restrictor and line earlier in my search - didn't remove the injector body though. > >Haven't heard about lead deposits in primer lines - my injectors now balance to within .1gph when I go Lean-of-Peak - so I'm inclined to dismiss that as a possibility...especially with only 160 TTSN. If I need to take them apart again, I'll remember the Hoppe's #9...Thanks! > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: FLYaDIVE >>Sent: May 1, 2012 10:35 AM >>To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! >> >>Ralph: >> >>If you would, do the disassembly over a clean white cloth. I'm betting on >>something like dirt <-- Which will be difficult to find. Or a scratch/nick >>in the injector nozzle to seat area. >> >>Are you familiar with the problem of lead fuel deposits in primer lines? >> I'm wondering if that might be happening in the injector? The cure for >>this is to soak the parts in HOPPE"S Gun Cleaning Solvent #9. >> >>Good Luck, >> >>Barry >> >> >>On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: >> >>> recapen@earthlink.net> >>> >>> Disassembly and evaluation is on my list of things to do next..... >>> The injector and restrictor are sitting on my workbench waiting for me to >>> inspect them.... >>> My prioirites at the time were focused on the fix and the subsequent test >>> flight to determine results - but I didn't throw the parts away when I got >>> back either. >>> I'll post the inspection results shortly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Great question! >>> >>> >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: FLYaDIVE >>> >Sent: May 1, 2012 9:48 AM >>> >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com >>> >Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! >>> > >>> >Very Good Ralph: >>> > >>> >Have you taken apart the injector to find out what the cause is? >>> > >>> >I have this affliction about Pull & Replace Mechanics - I want to know >>> what caused the failure. Sort of like: Why did the fuse pop? Just >>> replacing it does not work for me. Let us know if you can. >>> > >>> >Barry >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ralph E. Capen >>> wrote: >>> recapen@earthlink.net> >>> > >>> >Folks, >>> > >>> >I have been chasing down an odd running cylinder for quite a while now. >>> > >>> >As a reminder, RV6A, IO360B1F6 w/9.2:1 compression LASAR ignition, and >>> SamJames cowl/plenum. The #1 would go lean during high power operations >>> with both EGT and CHT spiking. >>> > >>> >During my most recent continued airworthiness inspections, I decided to >>> remove, clean and replace the #1 injector body - making sure it was clocked >>> according to the instructions. >>> > >>> >This made the issue worse as it was now running lean during the entire >>> flight period. >>> > >>> >Removing and reclocking the injector made it better but wouldn't allow me >>> to fix it. >>> > >>> >After many e-mail exchanges with Airflow Performance, lots of graph >>> viewing, consulting experts, and general headscratching; I swapped the #1 >>> and #2 injector bodies along with their internal restrictors. >>> > >>> >Problem moved to the #2 position. >>> > >>> >Purchased and installed a new injector body to replace the #2 unit. >>> > >>> >Now I have no more peaks - after four flights, all cylinders track very >>> close to each other. >>> > >>> >I will still be performing one more test to check the system at different >>> altitudes. This test, suggested by the folks at Airflow Performance will >>> show if I should install turbo venting rails to compensate for the plenum >>> intake design. >>> > >>> >An item important to note is that I would probably not have noticed >>> anything wrong if I wasn't reviewing my data from each flight graphically. >>> The data captured by my AFS3400EE - converted to graphs with some software >>> jointly produced with Mike Behnke allows for a detailed review of all kinds >>> of information. Bottom line, if you have this data available - review >>> it...if you don't understand what you're looking at - ask for help >>> interpreting it. The Lycoming engine design is antique - but still >>> works...our addition of technology allows for systematic diagnostics and >>> improvements to keep it running. >>> > >>> >Ralph >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >========== >>> >nes-List" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?LycomingEngines-List >>> >========== >>> >http://forums.matronics.com >>> >========== >>> >le, List Admin. >>> >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >========== >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >__._,_.___ >>> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | >>> Reply via web post | Start a New Topic >>> >Messages in this topic (1) >>> >Recent Activity: >>> > >>> >* New Members2 >>> > >>> >Visit Your Group >>> >[Yahoo! Groups] >>> >Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest Unsubscribe Terms of Use >>> >. >>> > >>> >__,_._,___ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>=========== >>=========== >>=========== >>=========== >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! From: James Quinn Ralph - be mindful of the proper torque values for the injector bodies, it is easy to over tighten and distort the shape, also injector bodies should be installed and torqued with a light coat of engine oil on the threads. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote : > recapen@earthlink.net> > > > Scratches on the top of the nozzle where the restrictor sits. In fact th e > entire top looked kinda mangled. > > White cloth came out clean..... > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" > >Sent: May 1, 2012 10:48 AM > >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - > cured! > > > >I'll do the white cloth - just in case anything falls out. I'm betting > on the scratches personally - I had taken it apart and cleaned the > restrictor and line earlier in my search - didn't remove the injector bod y > though. > > > >Haven't heard about lead deposits in primer lines - my injectors now > balance to within .1gph when I go Lean-of-Peak - so I'm inclined to dismi ss > that as a possibility...especially with only 160 TTSN. If I need to take > them apart again, I'll remember the Hoppe's #9...Thanks! > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >>From: FLYaDIVE > >>Sent: May 1, 2012 10:35 AM > >>To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - > cured! > >> > >>Ralph: > >> > >>If you would, do the disassembly over a clean white cloth. I'm bettin g > on > >>something like dirt <-- Which will be difficult to find. Or a > scratch/nick > >>in the injector nozzle to seat area. > >> > >>Are you familiar with the problem of lead fuel deposits in primer lines ? > >> I'm wondering if that might be happening in the injector? The cure fo r > >>this is to soak the parts in HOPPE"S Gun Cleaning Solvent #9. > >> > >>Good Luck, > >> > >>Barry > >> > >> > >>On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Ralph E. Capen >wrote: > >> > >>> recapen@earthlink.net> > >>> > >>> Disassembly and evaluation is on my list of things to do next..... > >>> The injector and restrictor are sitting on my workbench waiting for m e > to > >>> inspect them.... > >>> My prioirites at the time were focused on the fix and the subsequent > test > >>> flight to determine results - but I didn't throw the parts away when I > got > >>> back either. > >>> I'll post the inspection results shortly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Great question! > >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- > >>> >From: FLYaDIVE > >>> >Sent: May 1, 2012 9:48 AM > >>> >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >>> >Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! > >>> > > >>> >Very Good Ralph: > >>> > > >>> >Have you taken apart the injector to find out what the cause is? > >>> > > >>> >I have this affliction about Pull & Replace Mechanics - I want to kn ow > >>> what caused the failure. Sort of like: Why did the fuse pop? Just > >>> replacing it does not work for me. Let us know if you can. > >>> > > >>> >Barry > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ralph E. Capen > > >>> wrote: > >>> recapen@earthlink.net> > >>> > > >>> >Folks, > >>> > > >>> >I have been chasing down an odd running cylinder for quite a while > now. > >>> > > >>> >As a reminder, RV6A, IO360B1F6 w/9.2:1 compression LASAR ignition, a nd > >>> SamJames cowl/plenum. The #1 would go lean during high power > operations > >>> with both EGT and CHT spiking. > >>> > > >>> >During my most recent continued airworthiness inspections, I decided > to > >>> remove, clean and replace the #1 injector body - making sure it was > clocked > >>> according to the instructions. > >>> > > >>> >This made the issue worse as it was now running lean during the enti re > >>> flight period. > >>> > > >>> >Removing and reclocking the injector made it better but wouldn't > allow me > >>> to fix it. > >>> > > >>> >After many e-mail exchanges with Airflow Performance, lots of graph > >>> viewing, consulting experts, and general headscratching; I swapped th e > #1 > >>> and #2 injector bodies along with their internal restrictors. > >>> > > >>> >Problem moved to the #2 position. > >>> > > >>> >Purchased and installed a new injector body to replace the #2 unit. > >>> > > >>> >Now I have no more peaks - after four flights, all cylinders track > very > >>> close to each other. > >>> > > >>> >I will still be performing one more test to check the system at > different > >>> altitudes. This test, suggested by the folks at Airflow Performance > will > >>> show if I should install turbo venting rails to compensate for the > plenum > >>> intake design. > >>> > > >>> >An item important to note is that I would probably not have noticed > >>> anything wrong if I wasn't reviewing my data from each flight > graphically. > >>> The data captured by my AFS3400EE - converted to graphs with some > software > >>> jointly produced with Mike Behnke allows for a detailed review of all > kinds > >>> of information. Bottom line, if you have this data available - revie w > >>> it...if you don't understand what you're looking at - ask for help > >>> interpreting it. The Lycoming engine design is antique - but still > >>> works...our addition of technology allows for systematic diagnostics > and > >>> improvements to keep it running. > >>> > > >>> >Ralph > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >========== > >>> >nes-List" target="_blank"> > >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?LycomingEngines-List > >>> >========== > >>> >http://forums.matronics.com > >>> >========== > >>> >le, List Admin. > >>> >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >>> >========== > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >__._,_.___ > >>> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | > >>> Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > >>> >Messages in this topic (1) > >>> >Recent Activity: > >>> > > >>> >* New Members2 > >>> > > >>> >Visit Your Group > >>> >[Yahoo! Groups] > >>> >Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest - Unsubscribe - Terms of Use > >>> >. > >>> > > >>> >__,_._,___ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! From: FLYaDIVE VERY GOOD RALPH!!! It is always nice to know what caused the problem. Best of luck, Barry On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote : > recapen@earthlink.net> > > > Scratches on the top of the nozzle where the restrictor sits. In fact th e > entire top looked kinda mangled. > > White cloth came out clean..... > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" > >Sent: May 1, 2012 10:48 AM > >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - > cured! > > > >I'll do the white cloth - just in case anything falls out. I'm betting > on the scratches personally - I had taken it apart and cleaned the > restrictor and line earlier in my search - didn't remove the injector bod y > though. > > > >Haven't heard about lead deposits in primer lines - my injectors now > balance to within .1gph when I go Lean-of-Peak - so I'm inclined to dismi ss > that as a possibility...especially with only 160 TTSN. If I need to take > them apart again, I'll remember the Hoppe's #9...Thanks! > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >>From: FLYaDIVE > >>Sent: May 1, 2012 10:35 AM > >>To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: [lycoming] Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - > cured! > >> > >>Ralph: > >> > >>If you would, do the disassembly over a clean white cloth. I'm bettin g > on > >>something like dirt <-- Which will be difficult to find. Or a > scratch/nick > >>in the injector nozzle to seat area. > >> > >>Are you familiar with the problem of lead fuel deposits in primer lines ? > >> I'm wondering if that might be happening in the injector? The cure fo r > >>this is to soak the parts in HOPPE"S Gun Cleaning Solvent #9. > >> > >>Good Luck, > >> > >>Barry > >> > >> > >>On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Ralph E. Capen >wrote: > >> > >>> recapen@earthlink.net> > >>> > >>> Disassembly and evaluation is on my list of things to do next..... > >>> The injector and restrictor are sitting on my workbench waiting for m e > to > >>> inspect them.... > >>> My prioirites at the time were focused on the fix and the subsequent > test > >>> flight to determine results - but I didn't throw the parts away when I > got > >>> back either. > >>> I'll post the inspection results shortly. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Great question! > >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- > >>> >From: FLYaDIVE > >>> >Sent: May 1, 2012 9:48 AM > >>> >To: lycomingengines-list@matronics.com > >>> >Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: Odd running cylinder - cured! > >>> > > >>> >Very Good Ralph: > >>> > > >>> >Have you taken apart the injector to find out what the cause is? > >>> > > >>> >I have this affliction about Pull & Replace Mechanics - I want to kn ow > >>> what caused the failure. Sort of like: Why did the fuse pop? Just > >>> replacing it does not work for me. Let us know if you can. > >>> > > >>> >Barry > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ralph E. Capen > > >>> wrote: > >>> recapen@earthlink.net> > >>> > > >>> >Folks, > >>> > > >>> >I have been chasing down an odd running cylinder for quite a while > now. > >>> > > >>> >As a reminder, RV6A, IO360B1F6 w/9.2:1 compression LASAR ignition, a nd > >>> SamJames cowl/plenum. The #1 would go lean during high power > operations > >>> with both EGT and CHT spiking. > >>> > > >>> >During my most recent continued airworthiness inspections, I decided > to > >>> remove, clean and replace the #1 injector body - making sure it was > clocked > >>> according to the instructions. > >>> > > >>> >This made the issue worse as it was now running lean during the enti re > >>> flight period. > >>> > > >>> >Removing and reclocking the injector made it better but wouldn't > allow me > >>> to fix it. > >>> > > >>> >After many e-mail exchanges with Airflow Performance, lots of graph > >>> viewing, consulting experts, and general headscratching; I swapped th e > #1 > >>> and #2 injector bodies along with their internal restrictors. > >>> > > >>> >Problem moved to the #2 position. > >>> > > >>> >Purchased and installed a new injector body to replace the #2 unit. > >>> > > >>> >Now I have no more peaks - after four flights, all cylinders track > very > >>> close to each other. > >>> > > >>> >I will still be performing one more test to check the system at > different > >>> altitudes. This test, suggested by the folks at Airflow Performance > will > >>> show if I should install turbo venting rails to compensate for the > plenum > >>> intake design. > >>> > > >>> >An item important to note is that I would probably not have noticed > >>> anything wrong if I wasn't reviewing my data from each flight > graphically. > >>> The data captured by my AFS3400EE - converted to graphs with some > software > >>> jointly produced with Mike Behnke allows for a detailed review of all > kinds > >>> of information. Bottom line, if you have this data available - revie w > >>> it...if you don't understand what you're looking at - ask for help > >>> interpreting it. The Lycoming engine design is antique - but still > >>> works...our addition of technology allows for systematic diagnostics > and > >>> improvements to keep it running. > >>> > > >>> >Ralph > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >========== > >>> >nes-List" target="_blank"> > >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?LycomingEngines-List > >>> >========== > >>> >http://forums.matronics.com > >>> >========== > >>> >le, List Admin. > >>> >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >>> >========== > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >__._,_.___ > >>> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | > >>> Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > >>> >Messages in this topic (1) > >>> >Recent Activity: > >>> > > >>> >* New Members2 > >>> > > >>> >Visit Your Group > >>> >[Yahoo! Groups] > >>> >Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest - Unsubscribe - Terms of Use > >>> >. > >>> > > >>> >__,_._,___ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>=========== > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lycomingengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/LycomingEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lycomingengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lycomingengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.