---------------------------------------------------------- LycomingEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/13/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations (FLYaDIVE) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations (Ralph & Maria Finch) 3. 07:00 AM - Re: AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations (Harley) 4. 07:30 AM - A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up (FLYaDIVE) 5. 08:57 AM - Re: A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up (Harley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:40 AM PST US Subject: LycomingEngines-List: AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations From: FLYaDIVE Gang: I was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER (NEWARK, NJ NEWSPAPER), Page 21. Gas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION GAS!!! Too bad I did not know which station were selling it... I would have loaded up! Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High Test. Maybe it was in the REGULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon??? But, the questions have to be asked: 1 - If there is so much control over AvGas <--- So they say as to keep prices high. Where was the control on the delivery? 2 - Was AvGAs put into uncontrolled MoGas delivery vehicles? 3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles? 4 - Have the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now been contaminated with MoGas? 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that LEAD is being burned by surface vehicles? And... 6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on the destroyed Catalytic Converters. <--- NJ in all their wisdom has done away with automobile inspection. Except for EMISSIONS TESTING. So, if your car fails and you don't even know you had a load of AvGas who pays for the repairs??? AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS! No coffee as yet so these are the only questions I can come up with at this time. Maybe you have a few to ask? Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations From: Ralph & Maria Finch Pretty sure that's where they had put jet fuel, not 100LL, into the car gas t anks at the stations. RF On Dec 13, 2012, at 6:19, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Gang: > > I was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER (NEWARK, NJ NE WSPAPER), Page 21. > > Gas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION GAS!!! > > Too bad I did not know which station were selling it... I would have loade d up! Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High Test. Maybe it was in the REG ULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon??? > But, the questions have to be asked: > 1 - If there is so much control over AvGas <--- So they say as to keep pri ces high. Where was the control on the delivery? > 2 - Was AvGAs put into uncontrolled MoGas delivery vehicles? > 3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles? > 4 - Have the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now been contaminated with MoGas ? > 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that LEAD is bein g burned by surface vehicles? And... > 6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on the destroyed Catalytic Converters. <--- NJ i n all their wisdom has done away with automobile inspection. Except for EMI SSIONS TESTING. So, if your car fails and you don't even know you had a loa d of AvGas who pays for the repairs??? AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS! > > No coffee as yet so these are the only questions I can come up with at thi s time. > Maybe you have a few to ask? > > > Barry > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:54 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: AvGas Available at local MoGas Stations Yep, it was...the report I heard here on my local station said it was jet-a...the cars that filled up with it quit running. I doubt we would have heard many complaints if they had filled up with 100LL! Harley ----------------------------------------------------------------- On 12/13/2012 9:31 AM, Ralph & Maria Finch wrote: > Pretty sure that's where they had put jet fuel, not 100LL, into > the car gas tanks at the stations. > > RF > > On Dec 13, 2012, at 6:19, FLYaDIVE > wrote: > >> Gang: >> >> I was just informed of an article in the NEWARK STAR LEDGER >> (NEWARK, NJ NEWSPAPER), Page 21. >> >> Gas Stations being shut down because they are selling AVIATION >> GAS!!! >> >> Too bad I did not know which station were selling it... I >> would have loaded up! Especially at $3.60 a Gallon. <-- High >> Test. Maybe it was in the REGULAR Pumps at $3.26 a Gallon??? >> But, the questions have to be asked: >> 1 - If there is so much control over AvGas <--- So they say as >> to keep prices high. Where was the control on the delivery? >> 2 - Was AvGAs put into uncontrolled MoGas delivery vehicles? >> 3 - Was MoGas put into uncontrolled AvGas delivery vehicles? >> 4 - Have the Controlled Delivery Vehicles now >> been contaminated with MoGas? >> 5 - OMG ! ! ! ... What will our Ever Vigilant EPA do now that >> LEAD is being burned by surface vehicles? And... >> 6 - Who picks up the $TAB$ on >> the destroyed Catalytic Converters. <--- NJ in all >> their wisdom has done away with automobile inspection. Except >> for EMISSIONS TESTING. So, if your car fails and you don't >> even know you had a load of AvGas who pays for the repairs??? >> AND even if you do know... WHO PAYS! >> >> No coffee as yet so these are the only questions I can come up >> with at this time. >> Maybe you have a few to ask? >> >> >> Barry >> * >> >> * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:34 AM PST US Subject: LycomingEngines-List: A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up From: FLYaDIVE Six NJ Gas Stations Mistakenly Fed 100LL - (Dec 12 2012) The state of New Jersey confirmed Wednesday that six automotive gas stations received and sold leaded aviation fuel to drivers before the mistake was discovered and the sales were shut down. The fuel was delivered by eight tankers between Dec. 5 and Dec. 7 to six gas stations owned by the same company. In a statement from the Division of Consumer Affairs, the fuel was not directly identified as 100LL. The agency said the fuel was "rated at 104.7 octane compared to 93 octane for super unleaded," and contained "a small amount of lead." It was mistakenly sold to motorists as super unleaded. According to the agency, it "should not cause damage to vehicles engines." Click through for a link to the release from Consumer Affairs and a list of affected stations. This is from the AV WEB site: http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=aviation+gas&x=43&y=11 They think it will not affect the engine... The engine NO! But the Catalytic Converter and maybe the O2 Sensor and the MAP Sensor? Barry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:52 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: LycomingEngines-List: A follow up to the AvGas MoGas Mix Up I wasn't kidding when I said I heard it was jet fuel, not 100LL...Is it something with the state of New jersey? I hadn't heard about the 100LL mixup. This is the report I heard locally, and found here: www.businessinsider.com/nj-gas-station-fills-cars-with-jet-fuel-2012-12 An excerpt from the report: "Cars were unknowingly filled with jet fuel yesterday after a fuel delivery service accidentally filled a pump at a Keyport, New Jersey gas station with kerosene, CBS New York reported . After filling up, the cars stalled. Car engines cannot combust jet fuel A Lukoil station in Manasquan, New Jersey, also received the jet fuel" Harley ----------------------------------------------------------------- On 12/13/2012 10:28 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Six NJ Gas Stations Mistakenly Fed 100LL > - > (Dec 12 2012) > > The state of New Jersey confirmed Wednesday that six automotive > gas stations received and sold leaded aviation fuel to drivers > before the mistake was discovered and the sales were shut down. > The fuel was delivered by eight tankers between Dec. 5 and Dec. > 7 to six gas stations owned by the same company. In a statement > from the Division of Consumer Affairs, the fuel was not > directly identified as 100LL. The agency said the fuel was > "rated at 104.7 octane compared to 93 octane for super > unleaded," and contained "a small amount of lead." It was > mistakenly sold to motorists as super unleaded. According to > the agency, it "should not cause damage to vehicles > engines." Click through for a link to the release from Consumer > Affairs and a list of affected stations. > > This is from the AV WEB site: > http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=aviation+gas&x=43&y=11 > > They think it will not affect the engine... The engine NO! But > the Catalytic Converter and maybe the O2 Sensor and the MAP Sensor? > > > Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lycomingengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/LycomingEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lycomingengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lycomingengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.