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1. 09:05 AM - Manifold drains (Scott Aldrich)
2. 09:26 AM - Re: Manifold drains (Ted Waltman)
3. 10:37 AM - Re: Manifold drains (Scott Aldrich)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Manifold drains (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 10:47 AM - Re: Manifold drains (Scott Aldrich)
6. 10:51 AM - Manifold drain lines all down hill (Scott Aldrich)
7. 11:01 AM - Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 11:01 AM - Re: Manifold drains (Ted Waltman)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill (Ted Waltman)
10. 11:11 AM - Shut down procedure was Re: Manifold drains (Scott Aldrich)
11. 11:18 AM - Re: Shut down procedure was Re: Manifold drains (Ted Waltman)
12. 11:22 AM - Re: Manifold drains (D. Joe Smith)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill (Scott Aldrich)
14. 11:29 AM - Re: Manifold drains (Ted Waltman)
15. 11:30 AM - Re: Manifold drains (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 11:33 AM - Slick Start (Scott Aldrich)
17. 11:33 AM - Re: Manifold drains (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 11:35 AM - Re: Slick Start (Scott Aldrich)
19. 11:47 AM - Re: Slick Start (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 11:50 AM - Re: Slick Start (A. Dennis Savarese)
21. 12:18 PM - Re: Slick Start (Scott Aldrich)
22. 12:41 PM - Re: Slick Start (A. Dennis Savarese)
23. 01:27 PM - Re: Slick Start (Scott Aldrich)
24. 05:04 PM - Re: Manifold drains (KJKimball@aol.com)
25. 05:12 PM - Re: Manifold drains (Ted Waltman)
26. 05:39 PM - Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill (KJKimball@aol.com)
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Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with the
drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
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I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
for forgetting).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
the drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
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Thank Ted.
I suspect you are not the only one who has left it open - in anticipation of
someday doing the same is why I ask <grin>.
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From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable
issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same
amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go
around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drains |
MessageYes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some popping
when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Waltman
To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable issue
whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same amount
of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go around, whatever
(other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
To: M14pengines-List@Matronics. Com
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with the
drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
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Thanks Dennis.
Scott
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From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some popping
when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Waltman <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable
issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same
amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go
around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).
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| Subject: | Manifold drain lines all down hill |
Another question on the manifold drain lines.
I made sure mine all went "down hill", no place for oil to pool. I know
most are not this way, the drain is above the low spot.
Does it really matter? Can it suck in the little oil left in the line?
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill |
Yes, it can. But that small amount of oil will not cause the cylinder to hydraulic
lock.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Aldrich
To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drain lines all down hill
Another question on the manifold drain lines.
I made sure mine all went "down hill", no place for oil to pool. I know most
are not this way, the drain is above the low spot.
Does it really matter? Can it suck in the little oil left in the line?
Scott
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I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
power before shutdown.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
Dennis Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
up.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com> Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
for forgetting).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
the drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
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| Subject: | Manifold drain lines all down hill |
I believe the deal is to just get the oil (or too much fuel in a
primed--too-much scenario) out of the cylinders to prevent hydro-lock.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drain lines all down hill
Another question on the manifold drain lines.
I made sure mine all went "down hill", no place for oil to pool. I know
most are not this way, the drain is above the low spot.
Does it really matter? Can it suck in the little oil left in the line?
Scott
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Ted, do you still run it up a little to help clean off the plugs? I know
you have the auto plugs so maybe not as big of deal?
Scott
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From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain the
sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so power
before shutdown.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some popping
when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.
Dennis
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I've never run it up just before shutdown. I do get a bit of oil on the
rear plugs, it seems, esp after 10 to 14 days if I haven't run it, but
the mag drop on the rear in this case is not too excessive. Seems to
clear right out after the run up and not be a noticeable problem re
power during that initial T.O..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Shut down procedure was RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Ted, do you still run it up a little to help clean off the plugs? I
know you have the auto plugs so maybe not as big of deal?
Scott
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From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
power before shutdown.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
Dennis Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
up.
Dennis
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "D. Joe Smith" <jsmith@syntherica.com>
Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did
you just fabricate it yourself?
Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil.
Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the wire
from the Slick Start to the Russian mag? I could use some advice.
Joe Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman [SMTP:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:01 PM
To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
power before shutdown.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
Dennis Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
up.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com> Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
for forgetting).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
the drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
<< File: ATT00019.html >>
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| Subject: | Manifold drain lines all down hill |
Thank yet again Dennis.
Good to see you here, hopefully more CJ/YAK and Pitts12 types will find and
use this list too.
Scott
_____
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drain lines all down hill
Yes, it can. But that small amount of oil will not cause the cylinder to
hydraulic lock.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Aldrich <mailto:s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drain lines all down hill
Another question on the manifold drain lines.
I made sure mine all went "down hill", no place for oil to pool. I know
most are not this way, the drain is above the low spot.
Does it really matter? Can it suck in the little oil left in the line?
Scott
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
Original "clean kit" was as sold by Kimball Enterprises. I'll email you
a pic of my manifold drain set up later this afternoon or evening Joe.
The drain is my own design after not liking the set up that was on their
originally.
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D. Joe
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "D. Joe Smith"
--> <jsmith@syntherica.com>
Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did
you just fabricate it yourself?
Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil.
Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the
wire
from the Slick Start to the Russian mag? I could use some advice.
Joe Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Waltman [SMTP:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:01 PM
To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
power before shutdown.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
Dennis Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
up. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com> Waltman
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
for forgetting).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
the drain valve open?
Notice any difference?
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
Scott
<< File: ATT00019.html >>
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drains |
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Why do you want to change a perfectly functional system? It works and will
work for a VERY long time.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Joe Smith" <jsmith@syntherica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "D. Joe Smith"
> <jsmith@syntherica.com>
>
> Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did
> you just fabricate it yourself?
>
> Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil.
> Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the wire
> from the Slick Start to the Russian mag? I could use some advice.
>
> Joe Smith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Waltman [SMTP:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:01 PM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>
> I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
> the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
> power before shutdown.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
> Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>
>
> Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
> popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
> up.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com> Waltman
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>
> I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
> noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
> air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
> flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
> for forgetting).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Aldrich
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
> To: M14pengines-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>
>
> Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
> the drain valve open?
>
>
> Notice any difference?
>
>
> I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
>
>
> Scott
>
> << File: ATT00019.html >>
>
>
>
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Joe,
I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil vibrator
works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only works
with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drains |
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
I'm talking about the "shower of sparks" or starting coil.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Why do you want to change a perfectly functional system? It works and
> will work for a VERY long time.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Joe Smith" <jsmith@syntherica.com>
> To: <m14pengines-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:24 PM
> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>
>
>> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "D. Joe Smith"
>> <jsmith@syntherica.com>
>>
>> Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did
>> you just fabricate it yourself?
>>
>> Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil.
>> Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the wire
>> from the Slick Start to the Russian mag? I could use some advice.
>>
>> Joe Smith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ted Waltman [SMTP:tedwaltman@i1ci.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:01 PM
>> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>>
>> I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain
>> the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so
>> power before shutdown.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
>> Dennis Savarese
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM
>> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>>
>>
>> Yes. It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean. You may notice some
>> popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run
>> up.
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ted <mailto:tedwaltman@i1ci.com> Waltman
>> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:25 AM
>> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>>
>> I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no
>> noticable issue whatsoever. Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more
>> air for same amount of fuel ??). But no discerable difference in
>> flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself
>> for forgetting).
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>> Aldrich
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:05 AM
>> To: M14pengines-List@Matronics. Com
>> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with
>> the drain valve open?
>>
>>
>>
>> Notice any difference?
>>
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>> I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
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>> Scott
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Just to add to what Dennis was saying I know of one 400hp M14 with -35 mags
that went through two slick boxes because they were getting too hot under
the hood.
FWIW
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Aldrich
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
<s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Joe,
I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil vibrator
works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only works
with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
Scott
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The standard booster coil will not work with M9-35 mags as they do not have
rotors with two fingers because they are centrifugal advance. Timing on
the -35 mags is set to approx. 5 degrees AFTER TDC depending on the number
stamped in the boss of the mag under the cover. Standard M9-F mags are set
to 14-16 degree BEFORE TDC and have rotors with two fingers in them. One
finger is used strictly for the starting coil.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil
> vibrator
> works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only
> works
> with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
If I'm not mistaken, the Slick system is installed at the P lead. The -35's
with centrifugal advance was/is suppose to replace the starting coil since
the starting coil fired the front plugs from the left mag a few degrees
after TDC the same way the -35's are timed in the first place.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
> Just to add to what Dennis was saying I know of one 400hp M14 with -35
> mags
> that went through two slick boxes because they were getting too hot under
> the hood.
> FWIW
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Aldrich
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
>
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil
> vibrator
> works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only
> works
> with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
That was my impression that the slick system is on the P lead. But I was
also under the impression that the -35 had some sort of interrupter in the p
lead that allowed the standard boost coil to work on those mags too. Of
course just something I read and could have miss-interpreted.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
If I'm not mistaken, the Slick system is installed at the P lead. The -35's
with centrifugal advance was/is suppose to replace the starting coil since
the starting coil fired the front plugs from the left mag a few degrees
after TDC the same way the -35's are timed in the first place.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
> Just to add to what Dennis was saying I know of one 400hp M14 with -35
> mags
> that went through two slick boxes because they were getting too hot under
> the hood.
> FWIW
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Aldrich
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
>
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil
> vibrator
> works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only
> works
> with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The start/booster coil always went into the magneto cap. The purpose of the
P lead is to simply apply a ground to shut down the magneto. Remove the P
lead and the mag will never shut down. That ground goes directly to the
coil and both the -35 and -F mags use the same coil.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>
> That was my impression that the slick system is on the P lead. But I was
> also under the impression that the -35 had some sort of interrupter in the
> p
> lead that allowed the standard boost coil to work on those mags too. Of
> course just something I read and could have miss-interpreted.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A.
> Dennis
> Savarese
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:50 PM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
>
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> If I'm not mistaken, the Slick system is installed at the P lead.
> The -35's
>
> with centrifugal advance was/is suppose to replace the starting coil since
> the starting coil fired the front plugs from the left mag a few degrees
> after TDC the same way the -35's are timed in the first place.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
> To: <m14pengines-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:35 PM
> Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
>
>
>> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
>> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>>
>> Just to add to what Dennis was saying I know of one 400hp M14 with -35
>> mags
>> that went through two slick boxes because they were getting too hot under
>> the hood.
>> FWIW
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>> Aldrich
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:33 PM
>> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
>>
>> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich"
>> <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I could be wrong but my understanding is the standard booster coil
>> vibrator
>> works with either mags the M9-F or the M9-35m but the Slick start only
>> works
>> with the -35m. Which mags do you have?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
Ah, I think I get it now. What he meant in the article was that the -35 had
an interrupter in the p-lead that grounded out the mag 100s of times a
second, simulating what the slick start does - if that makes sense, not that
the boost went into the P ground.
It was something George Coy had published.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Slick Start
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The start/booster coil always went into the magneto cap. The purpose of the
P lead is to simply apply a ground to shut down the magneto. Remove the P
lead and the mag will never shut down. That ground goes directly to the
coil and both the -35 and -F mags use the same coil.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drains |
Ted,
As mentioned, the lower 3 cylinders will be slightly leaner IF you leave the
drain valve open when running the engine. However, this is at low to medium
power settings that are at atmospheric pressure or lower MP. Above 30" will
not be leaner as the intake tube pressure is greater than outside the airplane
and the fuel/air mixture will flow out the open valve.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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Thanks Kevin. I can't get 30" at Denver's altitude <grin>, let alone
after takeoff!
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KJKimball@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains
Ted,
As mentioned, the lower 3 cylinders will be slightly leaner IF you leave
the drain valve open when running the engine. However, this is at low
to medium power settings that are at atmospheric pressure or lower MP.
Above 30" will not be leaner as the intake tube pressure is greater than
outside the airplane and the fuel/air mixture will flow out the open
valve.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold drain lines all down hill |
Ted,
The amount of oil in the 1/4" drain kit line low spot is very small. On the
order of what you can hold in a soda straw with your finger on top of it. We
have actually removed the line you refer to and have found the amount of oil
to be about 1/3 of the total internal volume of that hose. Just a few Cc's.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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