---------------------------------------------------------- M14PEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/14/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 AM - Re: Installing V530 prop (Rob Kent) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Installing V530 prop (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 04:58 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 05:43 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (Scott Aldrich) 5. 05:43 AM - Re: Installing V530 prop (Scott Aldrich) 6. 05:53 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (A. Dennis Savarese) 7. 05:59 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (KJKimball@aol.com) 8. 06:21 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (Scott Aldrich) 9. 07:11 AM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (Fred Messinger (fredm)) 10. 02:55 PM - Re: De-preservation of new M14 (KJKimball@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:20 AM PST US From: "Rob Kent" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop Scott, It will be obvious, the prop will only fit in one position due to a locator pin on the back of the prop between two of the studs. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 828 961 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:58 AM Subject: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop About to install the V530. When I take the lifting shackle off the engine will it be obvious that the prop goes on the flange in a certain position? If not, any particular position you are installing them? Thanks again, Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:58 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop Yes, it can only be placed on the flange in one direction. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop About to install the V530. When I take the lifting shackle off the engine will it be obvious that the prop goes on the flange in a certain position? If not, any particular position you are installing them? Thanks again, Scott ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:25 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 If you've rotated the engine without the plugs and there is no evidence of oil in the top cylinder, then I wouldn't worry about it. When you de-preserved the magnetos, did you remove the top cover, lift the distribution cap and make sure there was no pieces of oil soaked cheesecloth type material in and around the cam? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 I am getting ready to turn the crank shaft for the first time on a new M14 (Russian preservation). Of course the mags have been de-preserved and the compressor also. The manual then talks about removing plugs, manifold drains, etc. It also mentions moving to TDC and sucking oil out of the top cylinder with a syringe. Then hooking up fuel pressure to clean out the carburetor, etc.. Are you guys finding it necessary to suck out the top cylinders with a syringe? Seems I could pull it through with no plugs and then even spin it up with the air with no plugs? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks, Scott ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:48 AM PST US From: "Scott Aldrich" Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 Thanks Dennis. Yes the oil soaked cheesecloth was in there and I did remove it. Also added some oil to the lubrication fitting cup and its wick (this engine preserved new in 1993 - all dehydrator plugs still blue, amazing). Any other de-preservation pitfalls you can think of? I know the cloth has been left in the magnetos before. Thanks again, Scott _____ From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 If you've rotated the engine without the plugs and there is no evidence of oil in the top cylinder, then I wouldn't worry about it. When you de-preserved the magnetos, did you remove the top cover, lift the distribution cap and make sure there was no pieces of oil soaked cheesecloth type material in and around the cam? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 I am getting ready to turn the crank shaft for the first time on a new M14 (Russian preservation). Of course the mags have been de-preserved and the compressor also. The manual then talks about removing plugs, manifold drains, etc. It also mentions moving to TDC and sucking oil out of the top cylinder with a syringe. Then hooking up fuel pressure to clean out the carburetor, etc.. Are you guys finding it necessary to suck out the top cylinders with a syringe? Seems I could pull it through with no plugs and then even spin it up with the air with no plugs? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks, Scott ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:48 AM PST US From: "Scott Aldrich" Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop Thanks for the info guys. Scott _____ From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop Yes, it can only be placed on the flange in one direction. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: Installing V530 prop About to install the V530. When I take the lifting shackle off the engine will it be obvious that the prop goes on the flange in a certain position? If not, any particular position you are installing them? Thanks again, Scott ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:34 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 >From what I've read, I think you've got it covered. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 Thanks Dennis. Yes the oil soaked cheesecloth was in there and I did remove it. Also added some oil to the lubrication fitting cup and its wick (this engine preserved new in 1993 - all dehydrator plugs still blue, amazing). Any other de-preservation pitfalls you can think of? I know the cloth has been left in the magnetos before. Thanks again, Scott From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:58 AM To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 If you've rotated the engine without the plugs and there is no evidence of oil in the top cylinder, then I wouldn't worry about it. When you de-preserved the magnetos, did you remove the top cover, lift the distribution cap and make sure there was no pieces of oil soaked cheesecloth type material in and around the cam? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Aldrich To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 I am getting ready to turn the crank shaft for the first time on a new M14 (Russian preservation). Of course the mags have been de-preserved and the compressor also. The manual then talks about removing plugs, manifold drains, etc. It also mentions moving to TDC and sucking oil out of the top cylinder with a syringe. Then hooking up fuel pressure to clean out the carburetor, etc.. Are you guys finding it necessary to suck out the top cylinders with a syringe? Seems I could pull it through with no plugs and then even spin it up with the air with no plugs? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks, Scott ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:36 AM PST US From: KJKimball@aol.com Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 We do the mags and check the cylinders as others have pointed out but always do the carb de-preservation too. Doesn't take long and you sure get a bunch of oil and crap out of the various holes in the carb. We have found the engine much easier to start the first time when the carb treatment is done. KK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:16 AM PST US From: "Scott Aldrich" Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 Thanks, I have read that task card and will check it again. Lots of little steps blowing air and fuel through various parts if I recall. .5kgf/cm2 is about 7 psi, correct? Scott _____ From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KJKimball@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:59 AM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 We do the mags and check the cylinders as others have pointed out but always do the carb de-preservation too. Doesn't take long and you sure get a bunch of oil and crap out of the various holes in the carb. We have found the engine much easier to start the first time when the carb treatment is done. KK ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 From: "Fred Messinger (fredm)" Hey Scott, Be sure you take videos/pics. I'm waiting/watching very intently! Fred ________________________________ From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Aldrich Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 Thanks, I have read that task card and will check it again. Lots of little steps blowing air and fuel through various parts if I recall. .5kgf/cm2 is about 7 psi, correct? Scott ________________________________ From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KJKimball@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:59 AM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 We do the mags and check the cylinders as others have pointed out but always do the carb de-preservation too. Doesn't take long and you sure get a bunch of oil and crap out of the various holes in the carb. We have found the engine much easier to start the first time when the carb treatment is done. KK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:22 PM PST US From: KJKimball@aol.com Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: De-preservation of new M14 Scott, It doesn't take much pressure to open the circuits in the carb. We normally use a small piece of 1/4" plastic tubing to apply the pressure by blowing into it. Typically, it is best to get an assistant to do this for you so you can make the wise cracks about their lips on one and of the hose with the other end stuck in the carb hole! KK