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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
Milt,
I would be extremely interested in the fuel injection conversion for the
M14P. Can you email further information?
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel Injection
>
>
> N395V wrote:
>> Has anyone put the Fuel injection mod on, and what have been your
>> result,ie:
>>
>> Fuel consumption, CHT, EGT performance etc?
>
>
> Well I posed this question about 10 months ago when my plane still
> consisted of a lot of epoxy in buckets and glass fiber in rolls.
>
> Since then I have talked with 3 people with AFP FI on their M14s 2 in
> England and 1 in the US. They were quite pleased with their choices. As a
> result I went ahead and mounted an AFP unit on my M14PF and today tokk
> first flight.
>
> It starts and runs like a high quality Swiss Watch. Fully responsive from
> idle to full power.
>
> Kind of had my handsful keeping up with the plane today and didn't collect
> a lot of data but as phase 1 progresses I'll post updates.
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73818#73818
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
[quote="andy717(at)comcast.net"]Hi Milt,
Are you perhaps flying the Radial Rocket? Not sure if this is coincidence,
but there was a plane being finished in the Century Aerosport hangar out in
New Century KS when I was visiting Jeff and Mark. If that is you, I'd love
to get as much information as you can spare re: the first flight and
subsequent flights.
I am scheduled to take delivery for my kit mid-December. I am planning on
running the M14P with the "F" blower modification from Cliff Coy. I too
would like to run a fuel injection system --
Congratulations on a successful first flight!
Andy Hawes
Andy,
Yep that's the one.
First off you are gonna love the plane. I currently fly an F1 and the Radial Rocket
is just awesome. Had my inspection Friday AM and all went well. Spent the
balance of Friday flushing tanks, checking out systems and fixing hose fitting
leaks as well as inspecting hardware etc.
Sat AM tied the plane down and did full power runups on the ground. Started like
a charm. Fully responsive throughout the power range. The unit was pretty well
dialed in for the engine on the idle end but I think I may need a larger jet
for top end as cylinders ran a little hot during climbouts (this may just be
because it is a new engine breaking in and the type CHT transducers I have).
I had really been worried as several "knowledgable individuals" had strongly cautioned
me against using the FI as it "didn't work well at all and had lots of
problems" I had talked to 2 guys in England both with a PF and the same FI unit
I have. They both are airshow guys and neither would go back to a carb. One
of them had an M14R (bigger blower@500HP with the same FI and it worked like
a charm.
Talked to a Murphy Moose owner in Calif. He liked his FI on the 360 HP version.
Says it stumbles a little on the go around if you are too aggressive with the
throtle but not near as much as the carb did. Don at AFP feels a little grinding
of the cam will fix this. His unit is a bit smaller than what I have.
In any event after the runup we cowled it up and off to the runway. Becasuse of
the lingering concern about the FI from my "experts" I am not ashamed to admit
I was a little scared. Setup on the centerline of 36 and thought I was slowly
advancing the throttle. Tail popped up in about 30' and was airborne well before
I was ready at about 400'.
Had a slight rigging problem with the flaps with a strong L roll tendency that
dissappeared with flap retraction. Climbed at 22" and 2400RPM 135KTS and about
2000 fpm. CHTs were pushing 470 till I opened the cowl flap and hit the boost
pump. (Boost pump at idle tended to flood the engine). I took off on 36 turned
left and then flew upwind. Turned Xwind and when I made the turn to Downwind
was already at 6000'.
Throttled back to do a stall which was sort of like a Cherokee stalls and when
I put the power back in rather rapidly the engine responded smoothly and promptly.
No hiccups or hesitation. Balance of the flight and landing was non eventful.
The engine starts great hot or cold. Never more than 3 blades over the nose.
Modified the air induction to take air from the face of the engine as opposed to
the scoop. (photos attached) You will note in the photo the scoop is closed
and a new "bubble is directly below the engine. This was necessary to accomodate
the FI unit. I think it actually looks nicer than the scoop. Aerosport is going
to modify the prototype for fuel injection and incorporate some of my induction
mods over the holidays. If you are thinking of FI you need to let them
know as you will have to modify your cowl a bit.
Still haven't figured out how to place an air filter large enough to not compromise
the MP. Have some rigging and minor instrumentation issues to fix then off
to the paint and interior shop.
Mark and Jeff just about have your kit complete you will find them a joy to work
with. They were both very helpful not only with the plane but helping in arranging
living quarters and other issues while I was commuting to KC.
I have about 2000 photos from the build I'll make you a CD of them if you want.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74174#74174
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co wrote:
> Milt,
> I would be extremely interested in the fuel injection conversion for the
> M14P. Can you email further information?
> Best regards,
> Dennis
>
> ---
Dennis,
Be glad too.
As you can imagine I quite had my hands (and head) full during the first flight
and data collection was not a high priority..
I have a Blue Mountain Gen 4 EFIS in the plane and when they get their shit together
and the software working I will be able to log every flight as to altitude
airspeed etc. Also have a JPI engine analyzer so should be able to provide
some downloads from that also.
The BMA engine pod doesn't work at all yet so I went with standard guages for MP
and RPM If they ever get the engine pod workinbg I can track CHT, EGT, MP, RPM,
Temps, Airspeed, Alt, and OAT in graphic form.
Just based on my runups and first brief flight as well as discussing the unit with
those flying it I think the AFP FI is gonna be the way to go.
I'll pass along info as I get it and will be contacting you shortly for a spark
plug conversion kit and attendance at one of your maintenance courses.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74181#74181
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection |
Milt,
Thanks very much for all of the details, and congrats again. I am
definitely interested when you get a chance, for more details re: the flap
adjustment you needed to make regarding the L. roll tendency with flaps
still extended on your initial climb?
I'll make sure Jeff and Mark are clear that I will be installing the FI
system from the Airflow Performance folks. I'm not sure if I understand the
new bubble concept related to the FI system -- if you wouldn't mind, I'd
love to talk to you in more detail about that at a later time. As well, if
you could keep me posted on the air filter situation, and what you end up
with, that would be great.
Yes! I would definitely be interested in the photo album you've made. I
will be taking tons of photos as well for future builders. Referencing your
pics along with Dave Vorsas' will be a great help. Thanks again.
Here is my direct email: andy717@comcast.net
Thanks again for your time and I look forward to getting more details when
you get a chance,
Andy Hawes
On 11/13/06 9:33 AM, "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net> wrote:
>
> [quote="andy717(at)comcast.net"]Hi Milt,
>
> Are you perhaps flying the Radial Rocket? Not sure if this is coincidence,
> but there was a plane being finished in the Century Aerosport hangar out in
> New Century KS when I was visiting Jeff and Mark. If that is you, I'd love
> to get as much information as you can spare re: the first flight and
> subsequent flights.
>
> I am scheduled to take delivery for my kit mid-December. I am planning on
> running the M14P with the "F" blower modification from Cliff Coy. I too
> would like to run a fuel injection system --
>
> Congratulations on a successful first flight!
>
> Andy Hawes
>
>
> Andy,
>
> Yep that's the one.
>
> First off you are gonna love the plane. I currently fly an F1 and the Radial
> Rocket is just awesome. Had my inspection Friday AM and all went well. Spent
> the balance of Friday flushing tanks, checking out systems and fixing hose
> fitting leaks as well as inspecting hardware etc.
>
> Sat AM tied the plane down and did full power runups on the ground. Started
> like a charm. Fully responsive throughout the power range. The unit was pretty
> well dialed in for the engine on the idle end but I think I may need a larger
> jet for top end as cylinders ran a little hot during climbouts (this may just
> be because it is a new engine breaking in and the type CHT transducers I
> have).
>
> I had really been worried as several "knowledgable individuals" had strongly
> cautioned me against using the FI as it "didn't work well at all and had lots
> of problems" I had talked to 2 guys in England both with a PF and the same FI
> unit I have. They both are airshow guys and neither would go back to a carb.
> One of them had an M14R (bigger blower@500HP with the same FI and it worked
> like a charm.
>
> Talked to a Murphy Moose owner in Calif. He liked his FI on the 360 HP
> version. Says it stumbles a little on the go around if you are too aggressive
> with the throtle but not near as much as the carb did. Don at AFP feels a
> little grinding of the cam will fix this. His unit is a bit smaller than what
> I have.
>
>
> In any event after the runup we cowled it up and off to the runway. Becasuse
> of the lingering concern about the FI from my "experts" I am not ashamed to
> admit I was a little scared. Setup on the centerline of 36 and thought I was
> slowly advancing the throttle. Tail popped up in about 30' and was airborne
> well before I was ready at about 400'.
>
> Had a slight rigging problem with the flaps with a strong L roll tendency that
> dissappeared with flap retraction. Climbed at 22" and 2400RPM 135KTS and about
> 2000 fpm. CHTs were pushing 470 till I opened the cowl flap and hit the boost
> pump. (Boost pump at idle tended to flood the engine). I took off on 36 turned
> left and then flew upwind. Turned Xwind and when I made the turn to Downwind
> was already at 6000'.
>
>
> Throttled back to do a stall which was sort of like a Cherokee stalls and when
> I put the power back in rather rapidly the engine responded smoothly and
> promptly. No hiccups or hesitation. Balance of the flight and landing was non
> eventful.
>
> The engine starts great hot or cold. Never more than 3 blades over the nose.
>
> Modified the air induction to take air from the face of the engine as opposed
> to the scoop. (photos attached) You will note in the photo the scoop is closed
> and a new "bubble is directly below the engine. This was necessary to
> accomodate the FI unit. I think it actually looks nicer than the scoop.
> Aerosport is going to modify the prototype for fuel injection and incorporate
> some of my induction mods over the holidays. If you are thinking of FI you
> need to let them know as you will have to modify your cowl a bit.
>
> Still haven't figured out how to place an air filter large enough to not
> compromise the MP. Have some rigging and minor instrumentation issues to fix
> then off to the paint and interior shop.
>
> Mark and Jeff just about have your kit complete you will find them a joy to
> work with. They were both very helpful not only with the plane but helping in
> arranging living quarters and other issues while I was commuting to KC.
>
> I have about 2000 photos from the build I'll make you a CD of them if you
> want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74174#74174
>
>
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