---------------------------------------------------------- M14PEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/31/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Pressure relief valve (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 2. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Pressure relief valve (Wesley Warner) 3. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Pressure relief valve (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 4. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Parts for sale (Eddie Moran) 5. 02:39 PM - Eddie's Moose (DAVID STROUD) 6. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Parts for sale (Peter Cattoni) 7. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Parts for sale (DAVID STROUD) 8. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Parts for sale (Peter Cattoni) 9. 06:48 PM - Re: Parts for sale (HBaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Pressure relief valve From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Henry, the ones that the Yaks and CJ's use are adjustable. SUPPOSEDLY they are set up from the factory to break at 50 atmos, and the ones Doug Sapp sells are like that. However, even if you buy one new, it is going to change over time, so you might as well get used to the idea of having to adjust it. My opinion on the matter... And there is an alternative. You can use ANY pressure relief valve that is set to release at 735 PSI plus or minus a tad. I saw one on Sergei Boriak's old SU-31 that was really slick. I remember looking it up by the part number, and tracing it down to the people who made it. I wanted one for my own airplane! That was until I saw that the price was about $800 for that stainless steel jewel! So, I stayed with the cheaper stuff... But still... They're out there and they are a lot better than what comes in the Yak's and CJ's now. The one I saw was adjustable from 700-900 PSI and held a setting to within 5 PSI, and had a pull release ring on it to bleed the system down. Pretty cool. If you have the money, I would recommend looking into something like that. As for a gage... My input would be to just plumb everything with standard AN fittings everywhere possible and stay away from, or convert over from, metric. To that end, a standard pressure gage in PSI would be just fine. Just look for something say from the 0-1000 psi range. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HBaker Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 21:03 Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Pressure relief valve --> Thanks guys Does anyone know where I can buy one that is already set at 50 atmospheres? And a Gauge that will fit in the dash? Henry -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236961#236961 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Pressure relief valve From: Wesley Warner Guys, I replaced my entire air system quite a while ago and have since sold the plane. I used brand new stainless valves that were approx. $120ea. They came with no spring. There was a spring selection chart based on the pressure you want. I don't recall the details off-hand, and I'm out of town. However, if anyone want's this info I can look it up when I return home (I should have all the receipts). Wes On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > > Henry, the ones that the Yaks and CJ's use are adjustable. SUPPOSEDLY > they are set up from the factory to break at 50 atmos, and the ones Doug > Sapp sells are like that. However, even if you buy one new, it is going > to change over time, so you might as well get used to the idea of having > to adjust it. My opinion on the matter... And there is an alternative. > You can use ANY pressure relief valve that is set to release at 735 PSI > plus or minus a tad. I saw one on Sergei Boriak's old SU-31 that was > really slick. I remember looking it up by the part number, and tracing > it down to the people who made it. I wanted one for my own airplane! > That was until I saw that the price was about $800 for that stainless > steel jewel! So, I stayed with the cheaper stuff... But still... > They're out there and they are a lot better than what comes in the Yak's > and CJ's now. The one I saw was adjustable from 700-900 PSI and held a > setting to within 5 PSI, and had a pull release ring on it to bleed the > system down. Pretty cool. If you have the money, I would recommend > looking into something like that. > > As for a gage... My input would be to just plumb everything with > standard AN fittings everywhere possible and stay away from, or convert > over from, metric. To that end, a standard pressure gage in PSI would > be just fine. Just look for something say from the 0-1000 psi range. > > Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Pressure relief valve From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Wes, could you possibly give me a reference on the relief valve you used? I am VERY VERY interested! (BIG TIME) I really am tired of messing with the Russian stuff. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wesley Warner Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:51 Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Pressure relief valve --> Guys, I replaced my entire air system quite a while ago and have since sold the plane. I used brand new stainless valves that were approx. $120ea. They came with no spring. There was a spring selection chart based on the pressure you want. I don't recall the details off-hand, and I'm out of town. However, if anyone want's this info I can look it up when I return home (I should have all the receipts). Wes On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > --> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" > > Henry, the ones that the Yaks and -CJ's use are adjustable. - > SUPPOSEDLY they are set up from the factory to break at 50 atmos, and > the ones Doug Sapp sells are like that. -However, even if you buy one > new, it is going to change over time, so you might as well get used to > the idea of having to adjust it. -My opinion on the matter... And there is an alternative. > You can use ANY pressure relief valve that is set to release at 735 > PSI plus or minus a tad. -I saw one on Sergei Boriak's old SU-31 that > was really slick. -I remember looking it up by the part number, and > tracing it down to the people who made it. -I wanted one for my own airplane! > That was until I saw that the price was about $800 for that stainless > steel jewel! -So, I stayed with the cheaper stuff... But still... > They're out there and they are a lot better than what comes in the > Yak's and CJ's now. -The one I saw was adjustable from 700-900 PSI and > held a setting to within 5 PSI, and had a pull release ring on it to > bleed the system down. -Pretty cool. -If you have the money, I would > recommend looking into something like that. > > As for a gage... My input would be to just plumb everything with > standard AN fittings everywhere possible and stay away from, or > convert over from, metric. -To that end, a standard pressure gage in > PSI would be just fine. -Just look for something say from the 0-1000 psi range. > > Mark Bitterlich List 7-Day ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:39 PM PST US From: Eddie Moran Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Henry, Hi.....- Exciting to hear of another Moose being built. I have a set of smoked bubble windows. Eddie Moran. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, HBaker wrote: From: HBaker Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale ca> Hi Doug Small world , I had bought a aluminum cowl from Dan Horton, he is great to deal with. That will be fine, send the part and I'll send you the check wha t ever is best for you. I could even wire you the money if you want. Thanks again Henry Moose 294 -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236964#236964 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:34 PM PST US From: "DAVID STROUD" Subject: M14PEngines-List: Eddie's Moose Giday, Eddie. Did you install a fuel debubbler device on your Moose ? If so, could you please say what type and the source of it ? Thanks.... David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:20 PM PST US From: "Peter Cattoni" Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Hi Eddie, I am an other Moose builder. A friend of mine and I are working together . We are in Kelowna BC , Day after tomorrow, we start with the engine installation . It is nice to know, that other builders are around for help . Murphy is not the best source for information's anymore . Would you mind, giving me your mail address , so that I could contact you of the web ? That would be awesome . Where are you living ? Are you already flying ? If yes, what engine - propeller combination did you go with ? We are right at the state to choose the propeller . We got a westernized M14PF , that is the one which is supposed to put 400 HP out. I would love to hear from you, Have a great day, With Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Moran Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Henry, Hi..... Exciting to hear of another Moose being built. I have a set of smoked bubble windows. Eddie Moran. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, HBaker wrote: From: HBaker Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Hi Doug Small world , I had bought a aluminum cowl from Dan Horton, he is great to deal with. That will be fine, send the part and I'll send you the check what ever is best for you. I could even wire you the money if you want. Thanks again Henry Moose 294 -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236964#236964 vigator?M14PEngines-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List< --> __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:15 PM PST US From: "DAVID STROUD" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale MessagePeter....can you offer advice on the fuel debubbler ? Is it just a stock thing on a certified Yak or Nanchang and not used on the homebuilt end of things ? Thanks... David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Cattoni To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Hi Eddie, I am an other Moose builder. A friend of mine and I are working together . We are in Kelowna BC , Day after tomorrow, we start with the engine installation . It is nice to know, that other builders are around for help . Murphy is not the best source for information's anymore . Would you mind, giving me your mail address , so that I could contact you of the web ? That would be awesome . Where are you living ? Are you already flying ? If yes, what engine - propeller combination did you go with ? We are right at the state to choose the propeller . We got a westernized M14PF , that is the one which is supposed to put 400 HP out. I would love to hear from you, Have a great day, With Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Moran Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:03 PM To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Henry, Hi..... Exciting to hear of another Moose being built. I have a set of smoked bubble windows. Eddie Moran. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, HBaker wrote: From: HBaker Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:15 PM Hi Doug Small world , I had bought a aluminum cowl from Dan Horton, he is great to deal with. That will be fine, send the part and I'll send you the check what ever is best for you. I could even wire you the money if you want. Thanks again Henry Moose 294 -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. 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Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Peter....can you offer advice on the fuel debubbler ? Is it just a stock thing on a certified Yak or Nanchang and not used on the homebuilt end of things ? Thanks... David Stroud Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 replica under construction C-FYXV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Cattoni Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Hi Eddie, I am an other Moose builder. A friend of mine and I are working together . We are in Kelowna BC , Day after tomorrow, we start with the engine installation . It is nice to know, that other builders are around for help . Murphy is not the best source for information's anymore . Would you mind, giving me your mail address , so that I could contact you of the web ? That would be awesome . Where are you living ? Are you already flying ? If yes, what engine - propeller combination did you go with ? We are right at the state to choose the propeller . We got a westernized M14PF , that is the one which is supposed to put 400 HP out. I would love to hear from you, Have a great day, With Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Moran Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Henry, Hi..... Exciting to hear of another Moose being built. I have a set of smoked bubble windows. Eddie Moran. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, HBaker wrote: From: HBaker Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale Hi Doug Small world , I had bought a aluminum cowl from Dan Horton, he is great to deal with. That will be fine, send the part and I'll send you the check what ever is best for you. I could even wire you the money if you want. Thanks again Henry Moose 294 -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236964#236964 vigator?M14PEngines-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List< --> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00 __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:21 PM PST US Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Parts for sale From: "HBaker" Hi Guys If It wasn't for the guys who put the pics on the website, Go fly a Moose I would have been lost , as I am from Newfoundland Canada and there isn't any other moose projects I can go look at, and we all know that a picture is worth a thousand words!! I Have started 3 years ago and feel like I Know you all personally, Well at least Your Moose projects! Maybe we can get some updates or more moose projects. Ed I have already installed the windows, but I will keep you in mind. Thanks ever so much! Henry -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. 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