---------------------------------------------------------- M14PEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/20/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Looking for parts (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Looking for parts (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 3. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Looking for parts (Darin Bishop) 4. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Looking for parts (Yak Pilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:30 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts They are quite reliable. Usually the problem is the wire from the starting coil to the magneto. A simple test is to make the spark jump to ground. If it is working properly when you press the button with 24-25 volts applied to the unit, it should jump to ground about 10 - 12 mm. If you have to hold it close to ground to get the spark to jump, the coil is weak or the internal points have build up on them. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: HBaker To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts How much trouble do you have with the shower of sparks? Or are you guys using the electronic one, and how much is it. -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240215#240215 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" To add to that comment.... I have had some really nasty problems getting the high tension wire to properly make contact in the mag cap itself. The spark is so strong that when it did not make good contact with the "screw" that is supposed to penetrate the center of the high tension wire from the high voltage starting coil (this is a Teflon insulated wire on stock Russian systems) the high voltage arced out of the entry point on the cap for the wire and to the mag's metal top cover. If you ever smell something like rotten eggs after starting your engine, that is the smell produced from the phenolic material burning up in the mag cap as an arc burns it. My solution was to use a metal wire crimp shortened to about 1/4 inch that I crimped onto the end of the high tension wire, and then shoved that into the mag cap. When the screw went in, it made a very good electrical contact to the metal wire crimp and I have had no further problems. Before that, I would get it working, or so it seemed, and then on a hot start the thing would just not work at all... As in the engine would not start. Take it apart, cut a little off the wire, re-penetrate the starting high tension wire with the screw... And it would work AGAIN, for a few months.. And then do it all over again. I did this no less than 5 times. The crimp thingy fixed it. Not suggesting this with the actual spark plug wires. If you have not already done so, rip the stock ignition harness off your M-14 and install Dennis Savarese's replacement kit. Considering the cost of the kit as compared to the improvement to the engine, it is the best "bang for the buck" of any M-14 modification I have ever seen. Don't leave home without it! This may sound like an advertisement... Sorry. It just is a big mistake to not do this on an M-14 that you expect to be reliable in extreme conditions. Like in a Moose. :-) Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 7:15 Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts They are quite reliable. Usually the problem is the wire from the starting coil to the magneto. A simple test is to make the spark jump to ground. If it is working properly when you press the button with 24-25 volts applied to the unit, it should jump to ground about 10 - 12 mm. If you have to hold it close to ground to get the spark to jump, the coil is weak or the internal points have build up on them. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: HBaker To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts How much trouble do you have with the shower of sparks? Or are you guys using the electronic one, and how much is it. -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240215#240215 http://www.mnbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =============== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:59 PM PST US From: "Darin Bishop" Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts Mark, Can you send any pictures of the crimp thing you're talking about? Thanks! Darin Bishop www.2wings.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:50 PM PST US From: Yak Pilot Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for parts I'll go you one better.- Send me your address and I'll send you a few.- =0A=0AYou need a good crimp tool though... sorry, can't give you that!- :-)- =0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0Asend your address to:- mark.bitterlich@navy.mil - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Darin Bishop =0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, Apri l 20, 2009 6:16:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Looking for part s.com>=0A=0AMark,=0A=0ACan you send any pictures of the crimp thing you're ============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message m14pengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/M14PEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/m14pengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/m14pengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.