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1. 06:52 AM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (William Halverson)
2. 07:10 AM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (William Halverson)
4. 02:02 PM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (Chris Wise)
5. 02:31 PM - M14p problem (Chris Wise)
6. 09:18 PM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (Darin Bishop)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M14 P Problem |
I thought turning the prop was supposed to allow that oil to drain out ... if 18
blades aren't enough, how many are?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Steve Culp [mailto:culpspecial@yahoo.com]
+Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 08:39 PM
+To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
+Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
+
+He still had oil in the intake tubes and will probably need at least a new rod.
+He is probably in for a tear down.
+Steve Culp
+Culp's Specialties
+www.culpsspecialties.com_____========
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| Subject: | Fw: M14 P Problem |
For what it is worth, I had the same thing ALMOST happen, and the
question about "how cold was it" and "what kind of pre-heat" was used is
very apt. As everyone knows, oil does not flow real well when it is
cold. Pulling the plugs, pulling the intake drains, and turning the
prop around in circles until the cows come home may not be enough. I
did this, and when I started it, a really terrifying amount of oil still
came out the exhaust and blew all over the place. Much more than a
normal summer start.
If oil has managed to get down into the intake tubes and it is cold, it
will not get sucked into the cylinders very well when you turn the prop
and it does not want to come out of the intake drains either.
Some folks suggest "thinning out the oil in the intakes" by priming the
living be-jeesus out of the engine, so that the fuel cuts the oil. I
don't know if this works or not... Good luck with that approach.
The original Russian design called for thinning the oil with fuel using
the oil dilution system, which I personally have removed. So much for
that.
That leaves pre-heating the engine. A lot. Probably a good approach!
Personally, I would love to see a KIT, where someone takes Kevin
Kimball's oil shut off valve, and does the work necessary to make all
the adapter hoses to fit it, so that it is pre-made bolt on KIT for the
YAK, or any other model using the M-14.
My personal opinion is that the risk of starting the engine with this
valve off, is less than the risk we all are going through with oil
causing hydraulic lock, leaking out all over the floor, etc., etc., etc.
A little common sense, a starter interlock switch, will also cut the
chance of being stupid and starting with the valve off. The importance
of this mod just went up 10 notches listening to this disaster story.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
William Halverson
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
--> <william@netpros.net>
I thought turning the prop was supposed to allow that oil to drain out
... if 18 blades aren't enough, how many are?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Steve Culp [mailto:culpspecial@yahoo.com]
+Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 08:39 PM
+To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
+Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
+
+He still had oil in the intake tubes and will probably need at least a
new rod.
+He is probably in for a tear down.
+Steve Culp
+Culp's Specialties
+www.culpsspecialties.com_____========
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M14 P Problem |
This may be the best argument for multi-weight oil I have heard ...
William Halverson
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E [mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
+Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 07:06 AM
+To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
+Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
+
+
+For what it is worth, I had the same thing ALMOST happen, and the
+question about "how cold was it" and "what kind of pre-heat" was used is
+very apt. As everyone knows, oil does not flow real well when it is
+cold. Pulling the plugs, pulling the intake drains, and turning the
+prop around in circles until the cows come home may not be enough. I
+did this, and when I started it, a really terrifying amount of oil still
+came out the exhaust and blew all over the place. Much more than a
+normal summer start.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M14 P Problem |
G'Day Mark,
I have been thinking about the kimble shut off valve and have communicated
with Jim.
I think that what you say is spot on and you have without doubt finally
convinced me to go with it.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> For what it is worth, I had the same thing ALMOST happen, and the
> question about "how cold was it" and "what kind of pre-heat" was used is
> very apt. As everyone knows, oil does not flow real well when it is
> cold. Pulling the plugs, pulling the intake drains, and turning the
> prop around in circles until the cows come home may not be enough. I
> did this, and when I started it, a really terrifying amount of oil still
> came out the exhaust and blew all over the place. Much more than a
> normal summer start.
>
> If oil has managed to get down into the intake tubes and it is cold, it
> will not get sucked into the cylinders very well when you turn the prop
> and it does not want to come out of the intake drains either.
>
> Some folks suggest "thinning out the oil in the intakes" by priming the
> living be-jeesus out of the engine, so that the fuel cuts the oil. I
> don't know if this works or not... Good luck with that approach.
>
> The original Russian design called for thinning the oil with fuel using
> the oil dilution system, which I personally have removed. So much for
> that.
>
> That leaves pre-heating the engine. A lot. Probably a good approach!
>
>
> Personally, I would love to see a KIT, where someone takes Kevin
> Kimball's oil shut off valve, and does the work necessary to make all
> the adapter hoses to fit it, so that it is pre-made bolt on KIT for the
> YAK, or any other model using the M-14.
>
> My personal opinion is that the risk of starting the engine with this
> valve off, is less than the risk we all are going through with oil
> causing hydraulic lock, leaking out all over the floor, etc., etc., etc.
> A little common sense, a starter interlock switch, will also cut the
> chance of being stupid and starting with the valve off. The importance
> of this mod just went up 10 notches listening to this disaster story.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> William Halverson
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:52 AM
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
>
> --> <william@netpros.net>
>
>
> I thought turning the prop was supposed to allow that oil to drain out
> ... if 18 blades aren't enough, how many are?
>
>
> +-----Original Message-----
> +From: Steve Culp [mailto:culpspecial@yahoo.com]
> +Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 08:39 PM
> +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem
> +
> +He still had oil in the intake tubes and will probably need at least a
> new rod.
> +He is probably in for a tear down.
> +Steve Culp
> +Culp's Specialties
> +www.culpsspecialties.com_____========
>
>
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G'Day,
Just a note of thanks for the replies to my email.
Cheers and kind regards,
Chris Wise.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: M14 P Problem |
On the Pitts 12 we use a microswitch to disallow starting with the oil
valve closed.
http://www.2wings.com/m12/images/n212bw/212bwFWF/P4046346.JPG
Darin Bishop
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