---------------------------------------------------------- M14PEngines-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/19/10: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:48 AM - Re: Fw: M14 P Problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Good luck Chris. I have not done it either, but am going to soon myself! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem G'Day Mark, I have been thinking about the kimble shut off valve and have communicated with Jim. I think that what you say is spot on and you have without doubt finally convinced me to go with it. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:36 AM Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem Cherry > Point, MALS-14 64E" > > For what it is worth, I had the same thing ALMOST happen, and the > question about "how cold was it" and "what kind of pre-heat" was used is > very apt. As everyone knows, oil does not flow real well when it is > cold. Pulling the plugs, pulling the intake drains, and turning the > prop around in circles until the cows come home may not be enough. I > did this, and when I started it, a really terrifying amount of oil still > came out the exhaust and blew all over the place. Much more than a > normal summer start. > > If oil has managed to get down into the intake tubes and it is cold, it > will not get sucked into the cylinders very well when you turn the prop > and it does not want to come out of the intake drains either. > > Some folks suggest "thinning out the oil in the intakes" by priming the > living be-jeesus out of the engine, so that the fuel cuts the oil. I > don't know if this works or not... Good luck with that approach. > > The original Russian design called for thinning the oil with fuel using > the oil dilution system, which I personally have removed. So much for > that. > > That leaves pre-heating the engine. A lot. Probably a good approach! > > > Personally, I would love to see a KIT, where someone takes Kevin > Kimball's oil shut off valve, and does the work necessary to make all > the adapter hoses to fit it, so that it is pre-made bolt on KIT for the > YAK, or any other model using the M-14. > > My personal opinion is that the risk of starting the engine with this > valve off, is less than the risk we all are going through with oil > causing hydraulic lock, leaking out all over the floor, etc., etc., etc. > A little common sense, a starter interlock switch, will also cut the > chance of being stupid and starting with the valve off. The importance > of this mod just went up 10 notches listening to this disaster story. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > William Halverson > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:52 AM > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem > > --> > > > I thought turning the prop was supposed to allow that oil to drain out > ... if 18 blades aren't enough, how many are? > > > +-----Original Message----- > +From: Steve Culp [mailto:culpspecial@yahoo.com] > +Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 08:39 PM > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fw: M14 P Problem > + > +He still had oil in the intake tubes and will probably need at least a > new rod. > +He is probably in for a tear down. > +Steve Culp > +Culp's Specialties > +www.culpsspecialties.com_____======== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:40:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message m14pengines-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/M14PEngines-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/m14pengines-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/m14pengines-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.