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1. 08:38 AM - Re: to be PF or not to be (George Coy)
2. 02:18 PM - Re: to be pf or not to be (n395v)
3. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: to be pf or not to be (Chris Wild)
4. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: to be pf or not to be (Jeff Micheal)
5. 07:43 PM - Re: to be pf or not to be (jbuseman)
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| Subject: | to be PF or not to be |
Jim,
The Sukhoi N26MX is a 1996 airplane. If the engine came with the
airplane than it was probably an early Russian converted engine. I see that
N26MX now has a Walter turbine on it. If you have the serial number you
should contact Richard Goode and ask him if it was one of theirs. The
original owner was Ray Vetsch of Albuquerque. You might contact him as well.
If it is an early Russian PF then the life of the engine was only supposed
to be very short in the range of 100hrs between overhaul.
Besides two facilities in Russia making 400 Hp engines, there is
the Romanian Factory and I think two in Lithuania.
There are two different designs for the PF engines. The Russian
design and the Romanian design. The Romanian design simply changed the gear
ratio. It is my understanding that the Russian design also changed the
supercharger impeller design and reduced the number of seals between the
supercharger case and the main case.
Check the engine test page in the log and it should show the HP
and manifold pressure at max RPM. (2,950). We did see a Russian "PF" once
that was built up from bits of other engines and only made 401 HP at 3100
RPM.
George Coy
CAS Ltd.
714 Airport Rd.
Swanton VT 05488
802-868-5633 off
802-363-5782 cell
george.coy@gmail.com
http://coyafct.com/
SKYPE george.coy
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| Subject: | Re: to be pf or not to be |
If your engine is electric start and you bought it from a Murphy Moose builder
in Canada off e bay then it may be my old engine. They also said they were going
to go with a Lyc 540 If it is then it is a PF and only had 82 hrs on it before
they rebuilt it. They had the original log book showing it dynoed at the factory
at 402 HP.
I do not know who rebuilt the engine but they bought it from me after a crash for
$13,500 and allegedly put 12 K into a rebuild. To replace it with a Lyc 540
and then sell it for $13K doesn't sound right.
Does it look like the data plate has been changed?
I doubt a stock PK would Dyno at 410.
Somethings fishy.
[quote="jimshaner(at)msn.com"]Ok I bought a rebuilt 264 tt m14p that was on n26mx
suhkoi. Was on ebay C I was first to bid and won for 13.5k. Shipped from Canada.
Owners decided on using a Lycoming instead for their Moose project.I bought
this as a spare for my 52 but actually thoughtI would be outbid. It was claimed
to be a 400 hp Pf but no such entry in P engine log on any such change.
Was told prior owner had told them mod was done and "dyno" showed itproduced 410hp.
No other details. Question-how much to convert to pf? I will not tear down
to see if PF parts in engine. What should I ask for if no proof forthcoming?
Even if PF C no log entries as advertised? Who did work?
Regards C
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: to be pf or not to be |
The engine in question is not the one you had Milt. I bought your old engine from
the same guy last spring. I have the original logbooks with your entries in
it and the entries from the overhaul. When I purchased it from him it was because
they were putting a flat engine on their Moose as well. Much like Jim I threw
in a bid not anticipating I would end up with it but was happy to when it
was over. I saw the one Jim purchase on Ebay awhile back and noticed it was being
sold by the same guy at the same location. The gentleman was a physician
and it sounded as if he has a couple of buddies that build airplanes for/with
him. The engine that I received was as represented as far as I can tell even though
I haven't done anything with it. I did think it was odd when I saw the ebay
listing and they had another rebuilt M-14.
----- Original Message ----
From: n395v <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:17:39 PM
Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: to be pf or not to be
If your engine is electric start and you bought it from a Murphy Moose builder
in Canada off e bay then it may be my old engine. They also said they were going
to go with a Lyc 540 If it is then it is a PF and only had 82 hrs on it before
they rebuilt it. They had the original log book showing it dynoed at the factory
at 402 HP.
I do not know who rebuilt the engine but they bought it from me after a crash for
$13,500 and allegedly put 12 K into a rebuild. To replace it with a Lyc 540
and then sell it for $13K doesn't sound right.
Does it look like the data plate has been changed?
I doubt a stock PK would Dyno at 410.
Somethings fishy.
[quote="jimshaner(at)msn.com"]Ok I bought a rebuilt 264 tt m14p that was on n26mxsuhkoi.
Was on ebay C I was first to bid and won for 13.5k. Shipped from Canada.
Owners decided on using a Lycoming instead for their Moose project.I bought
this as a spare for my 52 but actually thoughtI would be outbid. It was claimed
to be a 400 hp Pf but no such entry in P engine log on any such change. Was
told prior owner had told them mod was done and "dyno" showed itproduced 410hp.
No other details. Question-how much to convert to pf? I will not tear down
to see if PF parts in engine. What should I ask for if no proof forthcoming?
Even if PF C no log entries as advertised? Who did work?
Regards C
Jim
> [b]
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Milt
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| Subject: | Re: to be pf or not to be |
FWI.....
The guys that sold the engines are on the up & up and I can say that becaus
e
I've dealt with personally. Both you guys that bought engines got a great
deal and the guys selling got soaked on them (financially that is).
Cheers,
Jeff
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Chris Wild <jlbpropilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> The engine in question is not the one you had Milt. I bought your old
> engine from the same guy last spring. I have the original logbooks with y
our
> entries in it and the entries from the overhaul. When I purchased it from
> him it was because they were putting a flat engine on their Moose as well
.
> Much like Jim I threw in a bid not anticipating I would end up with it bu
t
> was happy to when it was over. I saw the one Jim purchase on Ebay awhile
> back and noticed it was being sold by the same guy at the same location.
The
> gentleman was a physician and it sounded as if he has a couple of buddies
> that build airplanes for/with him. The engine that I received was as
> represented as far as I can tell even though I haven't done anything with
> it. I did think it was odd when I saw the ebay listing and they had anoth
er
> rebuilt M-14.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: n395v <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:17:39 PM
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: to be pf or not to be
>
> Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> If your engine is electric start and you bought it from a Murphy Moose
> builder in Canada off e bay then it may be my old engine. They also said
> they were going to go with a Lyc 540 If it is then it is a PF and only ha
d
> 82 hrs on it before they rebuilt it. They had the original log book showi
ng
> it dynoed at the factory at 402 HP.
>
> I do not know who rebuilt the engine but they bought it from me after a
> crash for $13,500 and allegedly put 12 K into a rebuild. To replace it wi
th
> a Lyc 540 and then sell it for $13K doesn't sound right.
>
> Does it look like the data plate has been changed?
>
> I doubt a stock PK would Dyno at 410.
>
> Somethings fishy.
>
>
> [quote="jimshaner(at)msn.com"]Ok I bought a rebuilt 264 tt m14p that wa
s
> on n26mxsuhkoi.=EF=BD Was on ebay C I was first to bid and won for 13.
5k. Shipped
> from Canada.=EF=BD Owners decided on using a Lycoming instead for thei
r Moose
> project.=EF=BD=EF=BDI bought this as a spare for my 52 but actually
thought=EF=BDI would be
> outbid. It was claimed to be a 400 hp Pf but no such entry in P engine lo
g
> on any such change.=EF=BD Was told prior owner had told them mod was d
one and
> "dyno" showed it=EF=BDproduced 410hp.=EF=BD No other details.=EF
=BD Question-how much to
> convert to pf? I will not tear down to see if PF parts in engine.=EF
=BD What
> should I ask for if no proof forthcoming?=EF=BD Even if PF C no log en
tries=EF=BD as
> advertised?=EF=BD Who did work?
> =EF=BD
> Regards C
> Jim
>
> > [b]
>
>
> --------
> Milt
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284885#284885
>
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| Subject: | Re: to be pf or not to be |
The engine in question is not the one you had Milt. I bought your old engine from
the same guy last spring. I have the original logbooks with your entries in
it and the entries from the overhaul. When I purchased it from him it was because
they were putting a flat engine on their Moose as well. Much like Jim I threw
in a bid not anticipating I would end up with it but was happy to when it
was over. I saw the one Jim purchase on Ebay awhile back and noticed it was being
sold by the same guy at the same location. The gentleman was a physician
and it sounded as if he has a couple of buddies that build airplanes for/with
him. The engine that I received was as represented as far as I can tell even though
I haven't done anything with it. I did think it was odd when I saw the ebay
listing and they had another rebuilt M-14.
My first post was deleted because I had not registered yet. I would have to agree
with Jeff, they were great to deal and at this point I have no reason to think
there is anything suspect.
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