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| Subject: | Re: Compressor issue |
Of course it depends on the size of the tank. Assuming the tank size is
about the same as the 52's or CJ6's, I believe it usually takes about
20-30 minutes to fill it to 50-55 ATM's if it is empty.
If the compressor is not filling the tank at all, check the banjo
fitting security on the output check valve of the compressor. The crush
washers on the output check valve are critical to making a good seal
around the banjo fitting and the output check valve itself.
If you've determined there are no leaks around the output check valve,
remove a line downstream from the output check valve and attach a latex
or Nitrile glove to the line and run the engine. Obviously the glove
should inflate quickly. If it doesn't, then the problem could be either
the shear coupling between the compressor and accessory case, the
compressor itself OR the little "piston" inside the output check valve
is carbon'd up so badly that it won't open during the compressor operation.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 4:06 PM, HBaker wrote:
> --> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "HBaker"<henry.baker@nf.sympatico.ca>
>
> How long does it take the compressor to refill the tank , I only had it running
once for about an hour, and it didn't seem to refill.
>
>
> Henry
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336564#336564
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
Jeff
Yes. That is takeoff fuel flow; WOT. In cruise I use 15.5 gph.
DY
________________________________
From: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Those fuel burn numbers are for TO, not cruise.... Right?
On 2011-04-10 8:24 PM, "Steve Culp" <culpspecial@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28. Use to
> figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty. My dads
>
> old twin Beech used 40gph with 2 450hp 985s.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
>
> I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a Grand Rapids
>
> EIS.
> Dan Young
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
>
> Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this
> afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
>
> As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit
>
> lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
>
> 2950 RPM
> 39.8 " MP
> fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
>
> Dan Young
> N12DY
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
>
> Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
> during the take off.
>
> Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
> manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
>> I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
>> flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
>> I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
>> accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
>> I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
>> maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
>> this number or redo the piping.
>> I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
>> L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
>> hardware.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Sylvain April
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
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>> > 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
>> > 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
>> > 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
>> > 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
>> > 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
>> > 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
>> > 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
>> >
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>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
>> > From: Sylvain April <sapril001@hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all=2C
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: M462
>> >
>> > I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
>> offer.
>> > It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
>> overhaul.
>> > Includes accessories.
>> >
>> > A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
>> > splined propeller shaft.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > >
>> > > George Coy
>> > >
>> > > CAS Ltd.
>> > >
>> > > 714 Airport Rd.
>> > >
>> > > Swanton VT 05488
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-5633 off
>> > >
>> > > 802-363-5782 cell
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > >
>> > > george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > http://coyafct.com/
>> > >
>> > > SKYPE george.coy
>> > >
>> > > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> > > *Sylvain April
>> > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
>> > >
>> > > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > >
>> > > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> off power.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Sylvain April
>> > > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > >
>> > > * *
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>> > ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
>> > From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> have not ever
>> > seen a chart for that engine ...
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > William Halverson
>> > N355YK
>> > YAK-55
>> >
>> >
>> > +-----Original Message-----
>> > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > +Dennis
>> > +
>> > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > +>
>> > +> George Coy
>> > +>
>> > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > +>
>> > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > +>
>> > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > +>
>> > +> george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > +>
>> > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > +>
>> > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > +>
>> > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> > +> *Sylvain April
>> > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +>
>> > +> Hi all,
>> > +>
>> > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > +>
>> > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > +>
>> > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> off power.
>> > +>
>> > +> Thanks
>> > +> Sylvain April
>> > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
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>> > ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
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>> >
>> > Time: 03:34:02 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which you
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel flow
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about 2-3
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff, fuel
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> have not
>> > ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > > +>
>> > > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> off power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
>> > > +>
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>> > ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 04:07:21 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On t
>> > he Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> >
>> > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which you
>> >
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel flow
>> >
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about 2-3
>> >
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff, fuel
>> >
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > etpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ... ha
>> > ve not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
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>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> >
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360H
>> > P engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine conne
>> > ction.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take o
>> > ff power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
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>> > Time: 04:41:43 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14 consumes
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44 GPH at
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which you
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about 2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff, fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > > +>
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>> > > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> > > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > > +>
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>> > Time: 08:14:52 PM PST US
>> > From: Steve Culp <culpspecial@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > It has been my experience that at high cruise I burn about 15 GPH.- =0A
>> > =0AMost new M-14Ps are dynoed at 378 or so but you don't usually fly
>> them a
>> > t 100%.- =0AAt the factory allowed 103% you are probably around 400 hp so
>> > I don't think =0Athere is a lot of difference in burn between the 360
>> and
>> > 400 engines.- =0A=0A=0ADuring an airshow routine I figured about 5 gallon
>> > s for 14 minutes.- 103% for =0Atakeoff until the tail is up and then back
>> > to 95% until 3 or 4 rolls depending =0Aon wind conditions and after a
>> turn
>> > around working the power from 95% in the =0Avertical back to 85% or a
>> bit l
>> > ess on a downline.- That is with the big MT =0A3blade.- This is after c
>> > lose to 2000 hours behind the M-14P and 500 airshows.=0A=0AI would be
>> inter
>> > ested to see if someone could burn 28GPH.=0A=0AAll of our planes use
>> -6 run
>> > through the cockpit fuel selector.- I don't =0Aremember the exact number
>> > but a -6 under low psi will flow quit a bit of fuel.=0A=0AHope this help,
>> > =0A=0ASteve=0ACulp's
>> Specialties=0Awww.culpsspecialties.com=0A=0A=0A=0A____
>> > ____________________________=0AFrom: "n801bh@netzero.com"
>> <n801bh@netzero.c
>> > om>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, April 9, 2011
>> 6:02:57
>> > PM=0ASubject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow=0A=0A=0AThis will
>> get y
>> > ou within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On the =0ARadial
>> you c
>> > an figure about .43 BSFC.-- =0A=0A400 HP =- somewhere around 28 gal
>> > lons per
>> hour=0Ahttp://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html=0A=0Ado
>> > not archive=0A=0ABen
>> Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A----------
>> > Original Message ----------=0AFrom: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese0812@bel
>> > lsouth.net>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re:
>> M14PEngines
>> > -List: Free Fuel Flow=0ADate: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05
>> -0500=0A=0A--> M14P
>> > Engines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> =0A<dsavarese0812@bell
>> > south.net>=0A=0AThe 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold
>> pressure (35"
>> > ) which you =0Atypically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). -T
>> > he fuel flow =0Aat the higher manifold pressure will of course
>> increase by
>> > about 2-3 =0Agallons per hour. -However as soon as you back off after tak
>> > eoff, fuel =0Aconsumption will be as shown on the 360 hp
>> chart.=0ADennis=0A
>> > =0AOn 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:=0A> --> -M14PEngines-Lis
>> > t message posted by: "William =0A>Halverson"<william@netpros.net>=0A>=0A>
>> > =0A> Is fuel consumption linear? -I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> > have not =0A>ever seen a chart for that engine ...=0A>=0A>
>> Thanks!=0A>=0A>
>> > William Halverson=0A> N355YK=0A> YAK-55=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
>> +-----Original
>> > Message-----=0A> +From: A. Dennis Savarese
>> [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.
>> > net]=0A> +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM=0A> +To:
>> m14pengines-list@
>> > matronics.com=0A> +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow=0A>
>> +=0A>
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: -See attached.=0A> +Dennis=0A> +=0A>
>> > hose and fittings.=0A> +>=0A> +> -George Coy=0A> +>=0A> +> -CAS Ltd.=0A
>> > > +>=0A> +> -714 Airport Rd.=0A> +>=0A> +> -Swanton VT 05488=0A> +>=0A>
>> > -802-868-4465 Fax=0A> +>=0A> +> -george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy
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>> > rge.coy=0A> +>=0A> +> -*From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > =0A> +> -[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
>> > Of=0A> +> -*Sylvain April=0A> +> -*Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58
>> > AM=0A> +> -*To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0A> +> -*Subject:* M14
>> > PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow=0A> +>=0A> +> -Hi all,=0A> +>=0A> +> -I h
>> > ave this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> =0Aengine.
>> > =0A> +>=0A> +> -What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the eng
>> > ine connection.=0A> +> -( Fuel Pump Inlet )=0A> +>=0A> +> -What is the
>> > maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off =0Apower.=0A> +>
>> > =0A> +> -Thanks=0A> +> -Sylvain April=0A> +> -Murphy Moose C-GFFO=0A>
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>> > Time: 08:50:04 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 360 HP consumes 41 GPH ??? ............ Wow,,, That's turbine fuel flows
>> > .. I guess you could if ya left the sump drains locked open . <G>
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14 consumes
>> >
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44 GPH at
>> >
>> >
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> >
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On
>> >
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which you
>> >
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about 2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff, fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > > +>
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>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> >
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
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| Subject: | RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
In my Yak 55M I run at 76% RPM in cruise with the throttle set at the
same
position as the prop lever at lower altitudes. As MP drops at higher
altitudes, the throttle goes to firewall and back about =BD inch.
Invariably,
fuel consumption is near enough to 1 litre per minute. (That setting is
higher than the M14P book rate for the Nominal Cruise numbers but the
Yak
55M in my opinion does not cruise well at the lower airspeed associated
with
the M14P book rate). It makes for easy airborne mental arithmetic.
Check
the wing route fuel gauges which are calibrated in litres, add them up
and
you immediately know how many minutes you have to go before the engine
quits. I don=92t have a fuel flow meter but the stats are based on
multi leg
long cross country trips knowing the flight time and topping off the
tanks
before and after each leg. That seems to tally somewhat well with your
15.5
gph. But is that US gallons or imperial gallons?
Full power aerobatics at near sea level is altogether another story. My
stats are less reliable but I see rates as quoted at 2.4 l/min or
around 45
gph ' essentially the book rate.
In the absence of a fuel flow meter to confirm the actual rate, as we
all
know, this depends on density altitude, the jets installed, time to land
at
lower power, etc. As a rule of thumb, it=92s not far off. And the
Russians
have done their homework and I have no reason to doubt their book
numbers.
Alternatively, my experience, less rigourously, confirms their numbers.
Royden
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of daniel
young
Sent: 11 Apr 2011 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
Jeff
Yes. That is takeoff fuel flow; WOT. In cruise I use 15.5 gph.
DY
_____
From: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
Those fuel burn numbers are for TO, not cruise.... Right?
On 2011-04-10 8:24 PM, "Steve Culp" <culpspecial@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28.
Use to
> figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty.
My
dads
> old twin Beech used 40gph with 2 450hp 985s.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
>
> I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a
Grand
Rapids
> EIS.
> Dan Young
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
>
> Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at
OLV
this
> afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
>
> As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a
good bit
> lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
>
> 2950 RPM
> 39.8 " MP
> fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
>
> Dan Young
> N12DY
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
>
> Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
> during the take off.
>
> Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
> manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
>> I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr
free
>> flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
>> I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
>> accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
>> I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
>> maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to
achieve
>> this number or redo the piping.
>> I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
>> L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the
actual
>> hardware.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Sylvain April
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
>> > 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
>> > 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
>> > 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
>> > 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
>> > 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
>> > 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
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>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
>> > From: Sylvain April <sapril001@hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all=2C
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: M462
>> >
>> > I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or
best
>> offer.
>> > It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
>> overhaul.
>> > Includes accessories.
>> >
>> > A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
>> > splined propeller shaft.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > >
>> > > George Coy
>> > >
>> > > CAS Ltd.
>> > >
>> > > 714 Airport Rd.
>> > >
>> > > Swanton VT 05488
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-5633 off
>> > >
>> > > 802-363-5782 cell
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > >
>> > > george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > http://coyafct.com/
>> > >
>> > > SKYPE george.coy
>> > >
>> > > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
Of
>> > > *Sylvain April
>> > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> > >
>> > > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > >
>> > > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> off power.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Sylvain April
>> > > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > >
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>> > ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
>> > From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> have not ever
>> > seen a chart for that engine ...
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > William Halverson
>> > N355YK
>> > YAK-55
>> >
>> >
>> > +-----Original Message-----
>> > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > +Dennis
>> > +
>> > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > +>
>> > +> George Coy
>> > +>
>> > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > +>
>> > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > +>
>> > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > +>
>> > +> george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > +>
>> > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > +>
>> > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > +>
>> > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
Of
>> > +> *Sylvain April
>> > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +>
>> > +> Hi all,
>> > +>
>> > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > +>
>> > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > +>
>> > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> off power.
>> > +>
>> > +> Thanks
>> > +> Sylvain April
>> > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
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>> > ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 03:34:02 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which
you
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> have not
>> > ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > > +>
>> > > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> off power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
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>> > ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 04:07:21 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn. On
t
>> > he Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> >
>> > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which
you
>> >
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> >
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> >
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> >
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
Halverson"<william@n
>> > etpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
ha
>> > ve not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > > +>
>> > > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> >
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360H
>> > P engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
conne
>> > ction.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
o
>> > ff power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
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>> > Time: 04:41:43 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14
consumes
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44
GPH
at
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn.
On
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35")
which
you
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > > +>
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>> > > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> > > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the
M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the
engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > > +>
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>> > Time: 08:14:52 PM PST US
>> > From: Steve Culp <culpspecial@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > It has been my experience that at high cruise I burn about 15
GPH.-
=0A
>> > =0AMost new M-14Ps are dynoed at 378 or so but you don't usually
fly
>> them a
>> > t 100%.- =0AAt the factory allowed 103% you are probably around
400 hp
so
>> > I don't think =0Athere is a lot of difference in burn between
the 360
>> and
>> > 400 engines.- =0A=0A=0ADuring an airshow routine I figured
about 5
gallon
>> > s for 14 minutes.- 103% for =0Atakeoff until the tail is up and
then
back
>> > to 95% until 3 or 4 rolls depending =0Aon wind conditions and
after a
>> turn
>> > around working the power from 95% in the =0Avertical back to 85%
or a
>> bit l
>> > ess on a downline.- That is with the big MT =0A3blade.- This is
after
c
>> > lose to 2000 hours behind the M-14P and 500 airshows.=0A=0AI
would be
>> inter
>> > ested to see if someone could burn 28GPH.=0A=0AAll of our
planes use
>> -6 run
>> > through the cockpit fuel selector.- I don't =0Aremember the
exact
number
>> > but a -6 under low psi will flow quit a bit of fuel.=0A=0AHope
this
help,
>> > =0A=0ASteve=0ACulp's
>> Specialties=0Awww.culpsspecialties.com=0A=0A=0A=0A____
>> > ____________________________=0AFrom: "n801bh@netzero.com"
>> <n801bh@netzero.c
>> > om>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, April 9,
2011
>> 6:02:57
>> > PM=0ASubject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel
Flow=0A=0A=0AThis will
>> get y
>> > ou within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On the
=0ARadial
>> you c
>> > an figure about .43 BSFC.-- =0A=0A400 HP =- somewhere around
28 gal
>> > lons per
>>
hour=0Ahttp://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html=0A=0Ado
>> > not archive=0A=0ABen
>> Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A----------
>> > Original Message ----------=0AFrom: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese0812@bel
>> > lsouth.net>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
Re:
>> M14PEngines
>> > -List: Free Fuel Flow=0ADate: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05
>> -0500=0A=0A--> M14P
>> > Engines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> =0A<dsavarese0812@bell
>> > south.net>=0A=0AThe 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold
>> pressure (35"
>> > ) which you =0Atypically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or
40").
-T
>> > he fuel flow =0Aat the higher manifold pressure will of course
>> increase by
>> > about 2-3 =0Agallons per hour. -However as soon as you back off
after
tak
>> > eoff, fuel =0Aconsumption will be as shown on the 360 hp
>> chart.=0ADennis=0A
>> > =0AOn 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:=0A> -->
-M14PEngines-Lis
>> > t message posted by: "William
=0A>Halverson"<william@netpros.net>=0A>=0A>
>> > =0A> Is fuel consumption linear? -I ask because I have a 400HP
M14PF
...
>> > have not =0A>ever seen a chart for that engine ...=0A>=0A>
>> Thanks!=0A>=0A>
>> > William Halverson=0A> N355YK=0A>
YAK-55=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
>> +-----Original
>> > Message-----=0A> +From: A. Dennis Savarese
>> [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.
>> > net]=0A> +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM=0A> +To:
>> m14pengines-list@
>> > matronics.com=0A> +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel
Flow=0A>
>> +=0A>
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: -See attached.=0A>
+Dennis=0A>
+=0A>
>> > hose and fittings.=0A> +>=0A> +> -George Coy=0A> +>=0A> +>
-CAS
Ltd.=0A
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05488=0A>
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+> -SKYPE
geo
>> > rge.coy=0A> +>=0A> +>
-*From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > =0A> +> -[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com]
*On
Behalf
>> > Of=0A> +> -*Sylvain April=0A> +> -*Sent:* Saturday, April 09,
2011
9:58
>> > AM=0A> +> -*To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0A> +>
-*Subject:* M14
>> > PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow=0A> +>=0A> +> -Hi all,=0A>
+>=0A> +> -I
h
>> > ave this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> =0Aengine.
>> > =0A> +>=0A> +> -What should be the free fuel flow value needed
at the
eng
>> > ine connection.=0A> +> -( Fuel Pump Inlet )=0A> +>=0A> +>
-What is the
>> > maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
=0Apower.=0A>
+>
>> > =0A> +> -Thanks=0A> +> -Sylvain April=0A> +> -Murphy Moose
C-GFFO=0A>
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>> > Time: 08:50:04 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 360 HP consumes 41 GPH ??? ............ Wow,,, That's turbine fuel
flows
>> > .. I guess you could if ya left the sump drains locked open . <G>
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14
consumes
>> >
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44
GPH
at
>> >
>> >
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> >
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn.
On
>> >
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35")
which
you
>> >
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
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>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the
M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the
engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> >
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
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Post script:
The wing root gauges in the Yak 55M are red lined at 15 litres each
side.
Total equals 30 litres. 30 litres @ 1 litre/min yields 30 minutes of air
time which equals legal reserve. By coincidence or by design?
RFH
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Royden
Heays
Sent: 11 Apr 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
In my Yak 55M I run at 76% RPM in cruise with the throttle set at the
same
position as the prop lever at lower altitudes. As MP drops at higher
altitudes, the throttle goes to firewall and back about =BD inch.
Invariably,
fuel consumption is near enough to 1 litre per minute. (That setting is
higher than the M14P book rate for the Nominal Cruise numbers but the
Yak
55M in my opinion does not cruise well at the lower airspeed associated
with
the M14P book rate). It makes for easy airborne mental arithmetic.
Check
the wing route fuel gauges which are calibrated in litres, add them up
and
you immediately know how many minutes you have to go before the engine
quits. I don=92t have a fuel flow meter but the stats are based on
multi leg
long cross country trips knowing the flight time and topping off the
tanks
before and after each leg. That seems to tally somewhat well with your
15.5
gph. But is that US gallons or imperial gallons?
Full power aerobatics at near sea level is altogether another story. My
stats are less reliable but I see rates as quoted at 2.4 l/min or
around 45
gph ' essentially the book rate.
In the absence of a fuel flow meter to confirm the actual rate, as we
all
know, this depends on density altitude, the jets installed, time to land
at
lower power, etc. As a rule of thumb, it=92s not far off. And the
Russians
have done their homework and I have no reason to doubt their book
numbers.
Alternatively, my experience, less rigourously, confirms their numbers.
Royden
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of daniel
young
Sent: 11 Apr 2011 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
Jeff
Yes. That is takeoff fuel flow; WOT. In cruise I use 15.5 gph.
DY
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From: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
Those fuel burn numbers are for TO, not cruise.... Right?
On 2011-04-10 8:24 PM, "Steve Culp" <culpspecial@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28.
Use to
> figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty.
My
dads
> old twin Beech used 40gph with 2 450hp 985s.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
>
> I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a
Grand
Rapids
> EIS.
> Dan Young
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: daniel young <n35dy@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
>
> Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at
OLV
this
> afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
>
> As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a
good bit
> lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
>
> 2950 RPM
> 39.8 " MP
> fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
>
> Dan Young
> N12DY
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
04/09/11
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
>
> Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
> during the take off.
>
> Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
> manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
>> I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr
free
>> flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
>> I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
>> accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
>> I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
>> maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to
achieve
>> this number or redo the piping.
>> I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
>> L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the
actual
>> hardware.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Sylvain April
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
>> > 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
>> > 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
>> > 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
>> > 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
>> > 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
>> > 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh@netzero.com)
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>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
>> > From: Sylvain April <sapril001@hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all=2C
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: M462
>> >
>> > I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or
best
>> offer.
>> > It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
>> overhaul.
>> > Includes accessories.
>> >
>> > A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
>> > splined propeller shaft.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
>> > From: "George Coy" <george@gesoco.com>
>> > Subject: RE: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> >
>> >
>> > George Coy
>> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
>> >
>> > 714 Airport Rd.
>> >
>> > Swanton VT 05488
>> >
>> > 802-868-5633 off
>> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
>> > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> >
>> > george.coy@gmail.com
>> >
>> > http://coyafct.com/
>> >
>> > SKYPE george.coy
>> >
>> >
>> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Sylvain
>> > April
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> >
>> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection. (
>> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> >
>> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off
>> power.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Sylvain April
>> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > >
>> > > George Coy
>> > >
>> > > CAS Ltd.
>> > >
>> > > 714 Airport Rd.
>> > >
>> > > Swanton VT 05488
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-5633 off
>> > >
>> > > 802-363-5782 cell
>> > >
>> > > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > >
>> > > george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > http://coyafct.com/
>> > >
>> > > SKYPE george.coy
>> > >
>> > > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
Of
>> > > *Sylvain April
>> > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360HP
>> engine.
>> > >
>> > > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > >
>> > > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
>> off power.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Sylvain April
>> > > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > >
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>> > ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
>> > From: "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
>> have not ever
>> > seen a chart for that engine ...
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > William Halverson
>> > N355YK
>> > YAK-55
>> >
>> >
>> > +-----Original Message-----
>> > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > +Dennis
>> > +
>> > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > +>
>> > +> George Coy
>> > +>
>> > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > +>
>> > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > +>
>> > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > +>
>> > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > +>
>> > +> george.coy@gmail.com <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > +>
>> > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > +>
>> > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > +>
>> > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
Of
>> > +> *Sylvain April
>> > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > +>
>> > +> Hi all,
>> > +>
>> > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > +>
>> > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > +>
>> > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> off power.
>> > +>
>> > +> Thanks
>> > +> Sylvain April
>> > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
>> > +>
>> > +> * *
>> > +>
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>> > ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 03:34:02 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which
you
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> have not
>> > ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > > +>
>> > > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
>> 360HP engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> off power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
>> > > +>
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>> > ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 04:07:21 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn. On
t
>> > he Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> >
>> > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35") which
you
>> >
>> > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> >
>> > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> >
>> > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> >
>> > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
Halverson"<william@n
>> > etpros.net>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
ha
>> > ve not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > William Halverson
>> > > N355YK
>> > > YAK-55
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +
>> > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > +Dennis
>> > > +
>> > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> George Coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-5633 off
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-363-5782 cell
>> > > +>
>> > > +> 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > > +>
>> > > +> george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>
>> > > +>
>> > > +> http://coyafct.com/
>> > > +>
>> > > +> SKYPE george.coy
>> > > +>
>> > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> >
>> > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Hi all,
>> > > +>
>> > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P
360H
>> > P engine.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
conne
>> > ction.
>> > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > +>
>> > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
o
>> > ff power.
>> > > +>
>> > > +> Thanks
>> > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>> > > +>
>> > > +> * *
>> > > +>
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>> > Time: 04:41:43 PM PST US
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14
consumes
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44
GPH
at
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn.
On
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35")
which
you
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
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>> > > > +> *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > > > +> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com] *On
Behalf
Of
>> > > > +> *Sylvain April
>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the
M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the
engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
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>> > Time: 08:14:52 PM PST US
>> > From: Steve Culp <culpspecial@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > It has been my experience that at high cruise I burn about 15
GPH.-
=0A
>> > =0AMost new M-14Ps are dynoed at 378 or so but you don't usually
fly
>> them a
>> > t 100%.- =0AAt the factory allowed 103% you are probably around
400 hp
so
>> > I don't think =0Athere is a lot of difference in burn between
the 360
>> and
>> > 400 engines.- =0A=0A=0ADuring an airshow routine I figured
about 5
gallon
>> > s for 14 minutes.- 103% for =0Atakeoff until the tail is up and
then
back
>> > to 95% until 3 or 4 rolls depending =0Aon wind conditions and
after a
>> turn
>> > around working the power from 95% in the =0Avertical back to 85%
or a
>> bit l
>> > ess on a downline.- That is with the big MT =0A3blade.- This is
after
c
>> > lose to 2000 hours behind the M-14P and 500 airshows.=0A=0AI
would be
>> inter
>> > ested to see if someone could burn 28GPH.=0A=0AAll of our
planes use
>> -6 run
>> > through the cockpit fuel selector.- I don't =0Aremember the
exact
number
>> > but a -6 under low psi will flow quit a bit of fuel.=0A=0AHope
this
help,
>> > =0A=0ASteve=0ACulp's
>> Specialties=0Awww.culpsspecialties.com=0A=0A=0A=0A____
>> > ____________________________=0AFrom: "n801bh@netzero.com"
>> <n801bh@netzero.c
>> > om>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, April 9,
2011
>> 6:02:57
>> > PM=0ASubject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel
Flow=0A=0A=0AThis will
>> get y
>> > ou within a few gallons per hour for your fuel burn. On the
=0ARadial
>> you c
>> > an figure about .43 BSFC.-- =0A=0A400 HP =- somewhere around
28 gal
>> > lons per
>>
hour=0Ahttp://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html=0A=0Ado
>> > not archive=0A=0ABen
>> Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A----------
>> > Original Message ----------=0AFrom: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese0812@bel
>> > lsouth.net>=0ATo: m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
Re:
>> M14PEngines
>> > -List: Free Fuel Flow=0ADate: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05
>> -0500=0A=0A--> M14P
>> > Engines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> =0A<dsavarese0812@bell
>> > south.net>=0A=0AThe 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold
>> pressure (35"
>> > ) which you =0Atypically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or
40").
-T
>> > he fuel flow =0Aat the higher manifold pressure will of course
>> increase by
>> > about 2-3 =0Agallons per hour. -However as soon as you back off
after
tak
>> > eoff, fuel =0Aconsumption will be as shown on the 360 hp
>> chart.=0ADennis=0A
>> > =0AOn 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:=0A> -->
-M14PEngines-Lis
>> > t message posted by: "William
=0A>Halverson"<william@netpros.net>=0A>=0A>
>> > =0A> Is fuel consumption linear? -I ask because I have a 400HP
M14PF
...
>> > have not =0A>ever seen a chart for that engine ...=0A>=0A>
>> Thanks!=0A>=0A>
>> > William Halverson=0A> N355YK=0A>
YAK-55=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
>> +-----Original
>> > Message-----=0A> +From: A. Dennis Savarese
>> [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.
>> > net]=0A> +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM=0A> +To:
>> m14pengines-list@
>> > matronics.com=0A> +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel
Flow=0A>
>> +=0A>
>> > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: -See attached.=0A>
+Dennis=0A>
+=0A>
>> > hose and fittings.=0A> +>=0A> +> -George Coy=0A> +>=0A> +>
-CAS
Ltd.=0A
>> > > +>=0A> +> -714 Airport Rd.=0A> +>=0A> +> -Swanton VT
05488=0A>
+>=0A>
>> > -802-868-4465 Fax=0A> +>=0A> +>
-george.coy@gmail.com<mailto:george.coy
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+> -SKYPE
geo
>> > rge.coy=0A> +>=0A> +>
-*From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com
>> > =0A> +> -[mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server@matronics.com]
*On
Behalf
>> > Of=0A> +> -*Sylvain April=0A> +> -*Sent:* Saturday, April 09,
2011
9:58
>> > AM=0A> +> -*To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com=0A> +>
-*Subject:* M14
>> > PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow=0A> +>=0A> +> -Hi all,=0A>
+>=0A> +> -I
h
>> > ave this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> =0Aengine.
>> > =0A> +>=0A> +> -What should be the free fuel flow value needed
at the
eng
>> > ine connection.=0A> +> -( Fuel Pump Inlet )=0A> +>=0A> +>
-What is the
>> > maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
=0Apower.=0A>
+>
>> > =0A> +> -Thanks=0A> +> -Sylvain April=0A> +> -Murphy Moose
C-GFFO=0A>
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>> > Time: 08:50:04 PM PST US
>> > From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 360 HP consumes 41 GPH ??? ............ Wow,,, That's turbine fuel
flows
>> > .. I guess you could if ya left the sump drains locked open . <G>
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> > Ben Haas
>> > N801BH
>> > www.haaspowerair.com
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> >
>> > 812@bellsouth.net>
>> >
>> > According to the M14P 360HP manuals, at WOT the 360 HP M14
consumes
>> >
>> > between 37 and 41 GPH. The 400 HP M14 will consume between 43-44
GPH
at
>> >
>> >
>> > WOT. I have also proven these numbers to be accurate for the 360HP
>> >
>> > engine using a fuel flow instrument.
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > On 4/9/2011 6:02 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> > > This will get you within a few gallons per hour for your fuel
burn.
On
>> >
>> > > the Radial you can figure about .43 BSFC.
>> > >
>> > > 400 HP = somewhere around 28 gallons per hour
>> > >
>> > > http://www.ehow.com/how_6315061_calculate-bsfc.html
>> > >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> > > Ben Haas
>> > > N801BH
>> > > www.haaspowerair.com
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
>> > > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > > To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:28:05 -0500
>> > >
>> > > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> > >
>> > > The 400 HP is developed above 880 MM manifold pressure (35")
which
you
>> >
>> > > typically only see on takeoff (approx. 1000 mm or 40"). The fuel
flow
>> > > at the higher manifold pressure will of course increase by about
2-3
>> > > gallons per hour. However as soon as you back off after takeoff,
fuel
>> > > consumption will be as shown on the 360 hp chart.
>> > > Dennis
>> > >
>> > > On 4/9/2011 4:44 PM, William Halverson wrote:
>> > > Halverson"<william@netpros.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF
...
>> > > have not ever seen a chart for that engine ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > William Halverson
>> > > > N355YK
>> > > > YAK-55
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +-----Original Message-----
>> > > > +From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
>> > > > +Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 02:13 PM
>> > > > +To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +
>> > > > +Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
>> > > > +Dennis
>> > > > +
>> > > > +On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > > +> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> George Coy
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> CAS Ltd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> 714 Airport Rd.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Swanton VT 05488
>> > > > +>
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>> > > > +> *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > > > +> *To:* m14pengines-list@matronics.com
>> > > > +> *Subject:* M14PEngines-List: Free Fuel Flow
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Hi all,
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the
M-14P
>> > > 360HP engine.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the
engine
>> > > connection.
>> > > > +> ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at
take
>> >
>> > > off power.
>> > > > +>
>> > > > +> Thanks
>> > > > +> Sylvain April
>> > > > +> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
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