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1. 12:34 AM - Re: M14PEngines-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 05/19/13 (Martin Hone)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Re: Fuel flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Fuel flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 04:53 AM - Re: Fuel flow (HBaker)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Fuel flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel flow (Rhonda Bewley)
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| Subject: | Re: M14PEngines-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 05/19/13 |
Wow. I've been following this list for a while and haven't seen one
posting, now 11 !
Both Henry and Ted touched upon placement of the oil temperature senders,
although the question related to placement of the thermostat.
I know the CJ6 has units for both going in and coming out of the engine,
but what is the current thinking as to the most appropriate place to put an
oil temp sender ?
Cheers
Marty
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> 1. 10:44 AM - Oil (HBaker)
> 2. 11:21 AM - Re: Oil (tedwaltman)
> 3. 12:33 PM - Re: Oil (HBaker)
> 4. 03:45 PM - Oil temp probe (HBaker)
> 5. 03:56 PM - Re: Oil temp probe (tedwaltman)
> 6. 04:02 PM - Re: Oil temp probe (HBaker)
> 7. 04:30 PM - Fuel flow (HBaker)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Fuel system (HBaker)
> 9. 05:03 PM - Re: Fuel flow (Ben)
> 10. 05:17 PM - Re: Fuel flow (HBaker)
> 11. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Fuel flow (Ben)
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> Time: 10:44:26 AM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Oil
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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> Can anyone tell me where the thermostat on the oil cooler goes inlet or
> outlet??
>
> Thanks Henry
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> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
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> Time: 11:21:50 AM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Oil
> From: "tedwaltman" <tedwaltman@gmail.com>
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> Ideally have 2 measures, both inlet & outlet.
>
> But specs assume inlet.
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> I see generally 20-C diff between the two.
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> Ted
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> Time: 12:33:09 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Oil
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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>
> Thanks Ted
> Maybe that's the problem with my low oil temp.
>
> Thanks
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> Time: 03:45:23 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Oil temp probe
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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> I have installed my oil temp on the bottom of my oil reservoir tank , near
> where
> the oil runs out, is this appropriate .
> Henry
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> Read this topic online here:
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> Time: 03:56:22 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Oil temp probe
> From: "tedwaltman" <tedwaltman@gmail.com>
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> That is where quite a few people put it.
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> Time: 04:02:29 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Oil temp probe
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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> Thank you Ted
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400966#400966
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> ________________________________ Message 7
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> Time: 04:30:39 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Fuel flow
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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>
> I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my
> static run
> up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided by 60 seconds.
> should
> I have 0.61 gallons per second?? Does this sound right?
>
> Henry [/quote]
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> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> Time: 04:45:52 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Fuel system
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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>
> This is a picture of the fuel setup in the my moose does anyone have any
> suggestions?
> The red block is the fuel flow sending unit. All the lines are 3/8 and
> the gasolator is before that.
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> Time: 05:03:25 PM PST US
> From: "Ben" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Fuel flow
>
> You are burning 37 gallons an hour.... not a minute......
> do not archive
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>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Fuel flow
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> m>
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> I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my sta
> tic run up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided by 60
> seconds. should I have 0.61 gallons per second?? Does this sound right?
>
> Henry [/quote]
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400968#400968
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> Time: 05:17:51 PM PST US
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel flow
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
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>
> HBaker wrote:
> > I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my
> static
> run up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided by 60
> seconds. should
> I have 0.61 gallons per Minute ??Does this sound right?
> >
> > Henry
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400971#400971
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> ________________________________ Message 11
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> Time: 05:30:23 PM PST US
> From: "Ben" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel flow
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> Yup....... a little more then 1/2 gallon a minute sounds about right...
> ..
> do not archive
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> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel flow
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> m>
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> HBaker wrote:
> > I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my s
> tatic run up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided by 6
> 0 seconds. should I have 0.61 gallons per Minute ??Does this sound right
> ?
> >
>
> > Henry
>
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400971#400971
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Not getting 2900 RPM at WOT - First confirm your prop blades are set at
the correct angle. Then, check the prop governor settings for both high
and low RPM.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/19/2013 7:29 PM, Ben wrote:
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> Yup....... a little more then 1/2 gallon a minute sounds about right....
>
> do not archive
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> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "HBaker" <henry.baker@hotmail.com>
> To: m14pengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel flow
> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 17:17:41 -0700
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> HBaker wrote:
> > I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my
> static run up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided
> by 60 seconds. should I have 0.61 gallons per Minute ??Does this sound
> right?
> >
> > Henry
>
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> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
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BTW, you can not get 2900 RPM or 100% STATIC run up. It should achieve
2900 on T.O. at WOT. Normal fuel flow, according to the M14 manual is
37-41 Gallons per hour at WOT on take off.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/19/2013 6:30 PM, HBaker wrote:
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> I am redoing my fuel flow test , because I am not getting 2900 on my static
run up , or even rolling down the runway , at 37 GPH divided by 60 seconds. should
I have 0.61 gallons per second?? Does this sound right?
>
> Henry [/quote]
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400968#400968
>
>
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Thank u Dennis
Can u tell me roughly what u get on static? I'm just wondering if getting 15 GPH
on my fuel flow and 2000 on static shouldn't I have been closer to 37 to 41
GPH ? that's why I was Questioning if I was getting full power .
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If all you are getting at static and with the throttle and prop full
forward is 2000 RPM, I think you have either a prop pitch or prop
governor issue or both. 2000 RPM and 15 GPH sounds about right. Only
at WOT and 2900 RPM will be be seeing 37-41 GPH. What manifold pressure
are you seeing at max static RPM? At WOT and max RPM, the M14P
develops about 35" or 880 mm of manifold pressure.
I have seen many new engine installations NOT have the prop governor set
properly to achieve max RPM. I have also seen the prop blades
incorrectly set which if set too coarse will prevent the engine from
achieving 2900 RPM.
What prop/hub is installed on the engine? Have you ever adjusted the
arm on the prop governor? Not just the fine pitch stop. If you do not
have the Kimball wheel on the front of the prop governor, I would highly
recommend you install one. It is THE easiest way to make prop governor
adjustments. http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/web/m14p.php. It is
the 7th item down on the page - M14P-7.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/20/2013 6:53 AM, HBaker wrote:
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> Thank u Dennis
>
> Can u tell me roughly what u get on static? I'm just wondering if getting 15
GPH on my fuel flow and 2000 on static shouldn't I have been closer to 37 to 41
GPH ? that's why I was Questioning if I was getting full power .
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400981#400981
>
>
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There is also a liner in the nose case that has a tendency to wear,
which can produce the same result. After confirming the other issues
are not the problem, you may want to investigate this. We have a repair
for the issue.
Best,
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Re: Fuel flow
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
If all you are getting at static and with the throttle and prop full
forward is 2000 RPM, I think you have either a prop pitch or prop
governor issue or both. 2000 RPM and 15 GPH sounds about right. Only
at WOT and 2900 RPM will be be seeing 37-41 GPH. What manifold pressure
are you seeing at max static RPM? At WOT and max RPM, the M14P
develops about 35" or 880 mm of manifold pressure.
I have seen many new engine installations NOT have the prop governor set
properly to achieve max RPM. I have also seen the prop blades
incorrectly set which if set too coarse will prevent the engine from
achieving 2900 RPM.
What prop/hub is installed on the engine? Have you ever adjusted the
arm on the prop governor? Not just the fine pitch stop. If you do not
have the Kimball wheel on the front of the prop governor, I would highly
recommend you install one. It is THE easiest way to make prop governor
adjustments. http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/web/m14p.php. It is
the 7th item down on the page - M14P-7.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/20/2013 6:53 AM, HBaker wrote:
<henry.baker@hotmail.com>
>
> Thank u Dennis
>
> Can u tell me roughly what u get on static? I'm just wondering if
getting 15 GPH on my fuel flow and 2000 on static shouldn't I have been
closer to 37 to 41 GPH ? that's why I was Questioning if I was getting
full power .
>
> --------
> Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400981#400981
>
>
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