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Mon 09/11/06


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 06:34 AM - Re: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship (Chris In Madison)
     2. 10:41 AM - Re: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship (Greg Young)
     3. 10:57 AM - Re: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship (Scott Aldrich)
     4. 11:06 AM - No Murphy Demonstrator (Scott Aldrich)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:34:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship
    From: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com>
    --> MurphyMoose-List message posted by: "Chris In Madison" <cowens@cnw.com> Hi Al, Thanks for the feedback. To be honest, I have literally zero experience. I'm starting my filght training next spring/summer, and the Moose is my ultimate goal. I'm trying to plan my optimal training path so I can get the right amount of time in the proper number of aircraft. A guy's gotta have a goal :-) I'm not getting any younger (39 next week), so I want to be as efficient as possible if I hope to have a Moose by the time I turn 50 :-) Thanks again for your insight. Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60928#60928


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    Time: 10:41:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Yes, you can pay for transition training with a couple gotchas. Generallly you cannot use an experimental aircraft for compensation or hire but that does not preclude you from paying for flight instruction in one. The trick is, other than your own aircraft, who is going to loan you their baby to train in? And don't think you can get away with paying some exhorbitant rate to the instructor... that's been tried and failed. And there's really no need any longer since there is now a provision for someone to recertify their experimental aircraft for transition training. It does not have to be factory sponsored but I believe it's restricted to transition training, i.e. no primary flight instruction. The RV community has several instructors using their aircraft under this provision. Greg Young Which brings me to yet another question. Can you really pay someone for transition training anyway? I was under the impression that you couldn't charge anyone for anything when flying an experimental since they can't be used for hire. It all seems like a real nice catch 22, doesn't it? Pondering... Thanks for your insight :-) Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI


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    Time: 10:57:58 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
    Subject: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship
    I was just reading in my EAA magazine about one of the guys that makes a living doing transition training in the RV - he flies about 700 hours a year I think it said. (Sept. issue, Plane talk, page 118, by Lauran Paine). Scott _____ From: owner-murphymoose-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-murphymoose-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: RE: MurphyMoose-List: Transition aircraft: progressing toward Moose-ship Yes, you can pay for transition training with a couple gotchas. Generallly you cannot use an experimental aircraft for compensation or hire but that does not preclude you from paying for flight instruction in one. The trick is, other than your own aircraft, who is going to loan you their baby to train in? And don't think you can get away with paying some exhorbitant rate to the instructor... that's been tried and failed. And there's really no need any longer since there is now a provision for someone to recertify their experimental aircraft for transition training. It does not have to be factory sponsored but I believe it's restricted to transition training, i.e. no primary flight instruction. The RV community has several instructors using their aircraft under this provision. Greg Young Which brings me to yet another question. Can you really pay someone for transition training anyway? I was under the impression that you couldn't charge anyone for anything when flying an experimental since they can't be used for hire. It all seems like a real nice catch 22, doesn't it? Pondering... Thanks for your insight :-) Best regards, Chris -------- Chris Owens Waunakee, WI


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    Time: 11:06:00 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Aldrich" <s-aldrich@comcast.net>
    Subject: No Murphy Demonstrator
    A few of us were talking about this awhile ago. Not sure how they can sell airplanes with no demonstrators at all, I know I would not have bought one if I hadn't flown with Robin first. I guess just counting on others giving rides in there airplanes. Like someone said, sort of like going to a car dealership and all they have is paper pamphlets for you to look at before you buy. But then maybe they are working on a demonstrator that is from their own guys, like someone said that one was built by the Gator folks. Scott




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