---------------------------------------------------------- Pelican-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/06/11: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:37 AM - Re: I love the pelican (gary) 2. 12:52 PM - Re: I love the pelican (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:19 AM PST US From: gary Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican Yes, Kolb was the U.S. distributor for Ultravia Aero International (the Canadian designers) for the Sport model. Kolb had the plane slightly redesigned in Brazil(?). The original Pelican is now handled by Ballard (below). I think there may be about 10 Pelican PL's and maybe the same number of previous versions (smaller fuselage with fabric wings and tail). http://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html Ballard Sport Aircraft Ltd. 2696 du Pimbina, Sherbrooke, Qc Canada J1R 0G3 Tl: 819 563-5847 Fax: 819 829-5677 Jim Pollard Merlin Ont[/code] Gary Krysztopik ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/ San Antonio, TX On 2/5/2011 8:59 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: > I know a guy in TX that flys a corsairo am fib. I saw the > pelican that hit the ditch at sun fun 10 + years ago he had a > volintere with him the pilot died . he was a nice guy just signed off > in it. he ran it off the end of the runway on take of . > Is it true kolb people imported that plane for a while? i alwase > wondered who made it . I fly a kit fox how many pelicans do you > think are in the US? mal > Malcolm Brubaker > Michigan Sport > Pilot Repair > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > (989)513-3022 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* gary > *To:* pelican-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sat, February 5, 2011 8:16:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican > > The list has been very quiet, not many Pelicans in the U.S. I fly one > in TX, great airplane. > Gary > San Antonio, TX > > On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: >> >> are ther any pelicans in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida >> several years ago how many people are on the list ? I havent herd >> much latley >> Malcolm Brubaker >> Michigan Sport >> Pilot Repair >> LSRM-A, PPC, WS >> (989)513-3022 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Matt Dralle >> *To:* dralle@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM >> *Subject:* Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines >> >> > >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete >> Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the >> following URL: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html >> >> Thank you, >> >> Matt Dralle >> Matronics Email List Administrator >> >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************************** >> Pelican-List Usage Guidelines >> ****************************************************************************** >> >> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelican-List. >> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules >> therein. >> Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described below may result >> in the removal of the subscribers from the List. >> >> >> Pelican-List Policy Statement >> >> The purpose of the Pelican-List is to provide a forum of discussion for >> things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals >> are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver >> high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie >> among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals >> requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of >> the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: >> >> >> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit >> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long >> lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. >> >> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be >> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. >> >> - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive >> that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be >> concise and >> terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and >> responses. >> >> - Keep your signature brief. 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"Way to go!", "I >> agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent >> to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. >> >> - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to >> comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly >> contribute something valuable. >> >> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone >> polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack >> other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously >> controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that >> will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. >> >> - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly >> subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by >> List members promoting their respective products or items for sale >> should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble >> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but >> is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to >> everyone, including those who provide products to the entire >> community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the >> operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. >> >> ------- >> >> >> [This is an automated sp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> _ntribution sp; & >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:57 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican We had an interesting- discussion on linkedin this-weekend.-All about -flight =0Ainstruction and the idea of turning an experimental into a clu b plane so an =0Ainstructor could legally-use it to-teach-the owners - to fly.-- This theory is =0Aviable and there is-FAA approval to d o this.- =0A=0AWhat-I think would really jump start the process is a pr e-developed general =0Aformat.--One that would be easy for-people to follow- in developing their =0Aown-club and fractional ownership;-- not much different than the downloads a =0Aperson can buy to write their ow n will or start a non profit 401c3 corporation. =0AThese always contain sev eral disclaimers and liability waivers just like the =0Aones we used in the old days to teach ultralight flying.- =0A=0AThis would help the ultralig ht pilot and sport pilot want-to-be, as well as the =0Ainstructor. =0A=0ATh e idea of teaching someone to fly in a $14,000 plane with a 582 is not that =0Afar fetched. We all know people that-have.- It seemes like a better option than =0Athe $60,000 to $100,000 planes everyone thinks they current ly need .-When =0Aa-student-becomes a licensed pilot-they can trans ition up.- =0A=0AWhat this sport needs now is for people to stop focusing on the problem and =0Adevelope a solution.- The ultralight trainer was s o successful that it was =0Aturned into a sport pilot plane; and that took 20 years.----Even a 2 place Kolb =0Aclassic could qualify.=0A=0A- Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989 )513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: gary =0ATo: pelican-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, Februar y 6, 2011 11:31:27 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican=0A=0A Yes, Kolb was the U.S. distributor for Ultravia Aero International (the Can adian =0Adesigners) for the Sport model.- Kolb had the plane slightly red esigned in =0ABrazil(?).- The original Pelican is now handled by Ballard (below).- I think =0Athere may be about 10 Pelican PL's and maybe the sam e number of previous =0Aversions (smaller fuselage with fabric wings and ta il).=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ballardsportaircrafts.com/pages/bsa_home_2008.html =0A =0A=0ABallard Sport Aircraft Ltd. =0A2696 du Pimbina, =0ASherbrooke, Qc =0A Canada J1R 0G3 =0AT=C3=A9l: 819 563-5847 =0AFax: 819 829-5677 =0A=0A=0AJim Pollard =0AMerlin Ont[/code] =0A=0A=0A=0AGary Krysztopik ZWheelz, LLC - www .ZWheelz.com Alamo City Electric Auto =0AAssociation - www.aceaa.org blog - =0Ahttp://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/ San Antonio , TX =0A=0AOn 2/5/2011 8:59 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: =0AI- know a guy in-TX- that flys a corsairo am fib.---- I saw the pelican-tha t =0A-hit the ditch at sun fun 10 + years ago he had a volintere with him the pilot =0Adied . he was a nice guy just signed off in it.- he ran it off the end of the =0Arunway on take of .- =0A=0A>-- Is it true kolb people imported that plane for a while?--i alwase wondered =0A>who made it-.- -I fly a kit fox- how many pelicans do you think are in the US?-- =0A>mal=0A>-Malcolm Brubaker =0A>Michigan Sport=0A>Pilot Repair =0A>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>(989)513-3022 =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A______________ __________________=0AFrom: gary =0A>To: pelican-li st@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 8:16:56 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pelican-List: I love the pelican=0A>=0A>The list has been very quiet, not m any Pelicans in the U.S.- I fly one in TX, =0A>great airplane.=0A>=0A>Gar y San Antonio, TX =0A>On 2/2/2011 7:45 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: =0A>=0A >>are ther any pelicans-- in michigan?I almost flew one in Florida seve ral years =0A>>ago-- how many-people are on the list-?- I havent herd much latley-Malcolm =0A>>Brubaker =0A>>=0A>>Michigan Sport=0A>>Pilot Repair =0A>>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>>(989)513-3022 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle =0A>>To: dralle@matronics.com=0A>>Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 2:05:36 AM=0A >>Subject: Pelican-List: Official Pelican-List Usage Guidelines=0A>>=0A>>-- =0A>>Dear Listers,=0A>>=0A>>Please read over the Pelican-List Usage Guideli nes below.- The complete=0A>>Pelican-List FAQ including these Usage Guide lines can be found at the=0A>>following URL:=0A>>=0A>>- http://www.matron ics.com/FAQs/Pelican-List.FAQ.html=0A>>=0A>>Thank you,=0A>>=0A>>Matt Dralle =0A>>Matronics Email List Administrator=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>*********** *******************************************************************=0A>>- - - - - - - - - - Pelican-List Usage Guidelines=0A>>**** ************************************************************************** =0A>>=0A>>The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pelic an-List.=0A>>You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the r ules therein.=0A>>Failure to use the Pelican-List in the manner described b elow may result =0A>>in the removal of the subscribers from the List.=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>Pelican-List Policy Statement=0A>>=0A>>The purpose of the Pelican -List is to provide a forum of discussion for=0A>>things related to this pa rticular discussion group.- The List's goals=0A>>are to serve as an infor mation resource to its members; 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