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1. 12:06 AM - All New List Digest Format!! (Matt Dralle)
2. 01:01 AM - Fuselage (rod wooller)
3. 06:41 AM - Changing the rib jig (Ken & Lisa Rickards)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Changing the rib jig (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuselage (Ian Holland)
6. 09:00 AM - Front pit door (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
7. 09:03 AM - Re: Changing the rib jig (DJ Vegh)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: Changing the rib jig (DJ Vegh)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: Changing the rib jig (DJ Vegh)
10. 09:13 AM - Re: Changing the rib jig (DJ Vegh)
11. 12:30 PM - Re: Fuselage (del magsam)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: Fuselage (Jack Phillips)
13. 03:24 PM - last pick (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 03:26 PM - last pick- PS (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 05:05 PM - Re: Fuselage (Brants)
16. 07:34 PM - Re: last pick- PS (Kip & Beth Gardner)
17. 07:35 PM - Epoxy primer recommendation (Ted Brousseau)
18. 11:13 PM - New, NEW List Digest Format... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
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You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
This weekend I laid up my first fuselage side and everything seemed quite
straightforward. So far so good.
I intend to leave off the ply sides to make it easier to fit the internals
and am concerned about the uprights and braces just being end-glued to the
longerons,(I'm using T88).
I have run a length of 3/16" threaded rod through the longeron overhangs at
the front and rear to keep everything together but am wondering if there are
any other things I have to do to avoid an unpleasant surprise when I pop the
fuse out of the jig.
Thanks,
Rod Wooller
Chidlow
Australia
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| Subject: | Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the ailerons. Everything
except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed behind the rear
spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons built in place I will
then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons, when mounted, should match
exactly. Is this the way everyone else does it.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" <dickmarg@peganet.com>
That's the way I did it.
DickG.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Changing the rib jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
<KL0914@cogeco.ca>
>
> D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the
ailerons. Everything except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed
behind the rear spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons
built in place I will then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons,
when mounted, should match exactly. Is this the way everyone else does it.
>
> Ken
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ian Holland" <iholland@telusplanet.net>
Rod, I would think this through very carefully, as there is a terrific
amount of tension on everything as you pull the sides into shape. I
think that you may not be able to do it without having the plywood
sides on it. With the sides on, I did not find it difficult to get the
internals in.
FWIW,
-=Ian=-
Almost ready for covering!
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Kip: I suppose I spoke too soon saying you can't install the door if
your fus. is already together. Anything is possible if you have the
right tools and the tenacity. There is a massive 1X5 plank door sill
that will need to be installed and bent to match the fus. taper. I think
you would need to make a lot of special long reach clamps to pull that
plank into shape. With the door in, I found the right fus. side would
fight me as I tried to pull the 2 sides together equally. That plank
gave the right side considerably more rigidity. I had to finesse it more
to get an equal taper when I brought the fuselage together at the tail
post. All of those things made me glad that I installed the door with
the right side flat on the work bench.--But it could be done with the
fus. together. Price's 3 piece wing doesn't look like any more involved
then the Piet. verson. Either way you go, the 3 piece wing is way more
work then the one piece wing. (quoting Doug Bryant, who built a three
piece wing, then he and Chuck Ganzer built a one piece on Chuck's plane)
Walter: I think your suggestion on building your wing is excellent. When
I built my spars and spar fittings I made sure the spars all mated
together on the work bench. When I build my wings, I'm going to start
with my wing spars connected to the center section ( on saw horses )
and then build the wing out form there. Should give me a perfect fit.--I
hope.
Dennis: I'll e-mail you direct. Maby we can figure out this address
thing. The center section doesn't take a year to build. I just took a
year to build mine. I only get to work on it Sunday nights, and many
nights I didn't touch it or I worked on other things. Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Changing the rib jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
<KL0914@cogeco.ca>
>
> D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the
ailerons. Everything except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed
behind the rear spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons
built in place I will then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons,
when mounted, should match exactly. Is this the way everyone else does it.
>
> Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Changing the rib jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
<KL0914@cogeco.ca>
>
> D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the
ailerons. Everything except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed
behind the rear spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons
built in place I will then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons,
when mounted, should match exactly. Is this the way everyone else does it.
>
> Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
thats how I'm doing it too.... I figure it's the best way to keep the
ailerons to proper shape.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Changing the rib jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
<KL0914@cogeco.ca>
>
> D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the
ailerons. Everything except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed
behind the rear spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons
built in place I will then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons,
when mounted, should match exactly. Is this the way everyone else does it.
>
> Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Changing the rib jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I have a page on my log that details this .... to see go to:
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-10-02-wj.htm
DJ
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards"
> <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
> >
> > D.J., sorry for the late reply. I am changing the rib jig for the
> ailerons. Everything except the upper and lower cap strips will be changed
> behind the rear spar. When the wing panel is complete, with the ailerons
> built in place I will then cut the ailerons out. In theory the ailerons,
> when mounted, should match exactly. Is this the way everyone else does
it.
> >
> > Ken
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
Rod
I put my plywood on right away and had no problem
getting everything in. I think you are better off
putting them on and draw the sides in with them
installed. I did put the firewall on with just screws
to keep it square when fitting the fuse together, then
took it off to install rudder bars and pedals etc.
Del
--- rod wooller <rodwooller@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller"
> <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
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> This weekend I laid up my first fuselage side and
> everything seemed quite
> straightforward. So far so good.
> I intend to leave off the ply sides to make it
> easier to fit the internals
> and am concerned about the uprights and braces just
> being end-glued to the
> longerons,(I'm using T88).
> I have run a length of 3/16" threaded rod through
> the longeron overhangs at
> the front and rear to keep everything together but
> am wondering if there are
> any other things I have to do to avoid an unpleasant
> surprise when I pop the
> fuse out of the jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Rod Wooller
> Chidlow
> Australia
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <jackphillips@earthlink.net>
I did the same as Del. No problem at all reaching in to install everything.
In fact, I got so used to having access to the front of the cockpit, I
installed my baggage compartment with a slide out floor so even after the
plane is assembled I can still reach everything in the forward part of the
cockpit.
Jack
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
Rod
I put my plywood on right away and had no problem
getting everything in. I think you are better off
putting them on and draw the sides in with them
installed. I did put the firewall on with just screws
to keep it square when fitting the fuse together, then
took it off to install rudder bars and pedals etc.
Del
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Kip writes:
>just a little humor from a guy who was always picked last & stuck in
>the outfield for sandlot baseball because of my size - at least
>aviation is mostly an equal-opportunity hobby!
Well, well! I thought I always got to be last in line at the cafeteria and
on the bus, not to mention at roll call and voter lines, you name it-
because my name starts with "Zu-". Tell you what, Kip- we "last guys" turn
out to be not so bad after all. We seem to be more tolerant and easier to
get along with than many ;o) Guess we have lots to be thankful for, too.
Main thing I learned is patience, and it's paid off... I never experience
serious road rage, don't mind waiting in long supermarket lines, and am
always happy with the hand I'm dealt.
Oscar Ziga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
...oh, and I forgot to add to my list of things I've learned by being last
in line lots of times. Since you're at the end of a long line anyway, you
learn to just take in the sights and find useful things to do while you're
"in the outfield". I think it's one of the reasons that I like low 'n' slow
flying, as in Pietenpols!
Oscar Ziga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" <tmbrant@uswest.net>
I've just completed (a few months ago) pulling the sides together. My
fuselage was left with one side of the plywood off so I would be able to
access the internal areas from the side while the fuse is up on my bench -
rather than having the fuse turned on its side so you could access the
control ass'y from the top... Anyway, I had no problem pulling the sides
together. If memory serves, I glued in the top cross members first, from
the front of the fuse back to the rear seat back. From there I started
slowly working the sides together and used jig blocks on my table to hold
them in place, continually checking for squareness (if that's a word). Then
I made up a couple "clamps" out of scraps to hold the bottom of the fuse
together and then started fitting the cross members and diagonals. You can
check out some photos of this at the link below if you want. It went really
well and the fuse is nice and square.
clamps -
http://public.fotki.com/tab1324/pietenpol_construction/08-20-02_tailpost/cla
mps.html
other - http://public.fotki.com/tab1324/pietenpol_construction/
Tom Brant, MPLS
----- Original Message -----
From: "rod wooller" <rodwooller@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller"
<rodwooller@hotmail.com>
>
>
> This weekend I laid up my first fuselage side and everything seemed quite
> straightforward. So far so good.
> I intend to leave off the ply sides to make it easier to fit the internals
> and am concerned about the uprights and braces just being end-glued to the
> longerons,(I'm using T88).
> I have run a length of 3/16" threaded rod through the longeron overhangs
at
> the front and rear to keep everything together but am wondering if there
are
> any other things I have to do to avoid an unpleasant surprise when I pop
the
> fuse out of the jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Rod Wooller
> Chidlow
> Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: last pick- PS |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
At 6:25 PM -0500 12/01/02, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>...oh, and I forgot to add to my list of things I've learned by being last
>in line lots of times. Since you're at the end of a long line anyway, you
>learn to just take in the sights and find useful things to do while you're
>"in the outfield". I think it's one of the reasons that I like low 'n' slow
>flying, as in Pietenpols!
>
>Oscar Ziga (do not archive)
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Oscar,
Yeah, the view from outfield wasn't so bad, there was plenty of time to
watch the grasshopppers ). I still enjoy taking in the
sights, especially every time I'm in the air, although right now my
instructor would prefer that I mostly pay attention to learning to fly the
plane.
BTW, what's road rage? :)
Cheers,
Kip Gardner
(In NE Ohio, where 'rush hour' means getting stuck behind an Amish buggy,
and they DON'T do traffic reports on the radio)
426 Schneider St. SE
North Canton, OH 44720
(330) 494-1775
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| Subject: | Epoxy primer recommendation |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I was fitting my lower motor mount fittings today. I tend to make every
thing fit tight. So, I had to persuade them to slide into place a couple of
times. I hammered away with a rubber hammer and a regular hammer with wood.
When I got done I noticed there was not one scratch or chip in the epoxy
primer. I have used lots of paint over the years and usually ruin my lovely
paint job with the slip of a screw driver or something. I am so glad I bit
the bullet and spent the extra money for epoxy primer. Down here in Florida
we are alway battling against corrosion. I am going to sleep better tonight
knowing I have thrown up a good defense.
Just thought others might want to know the results of epoxy primer.
Ted Brousseau
Naples, FL
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| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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