---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/02/02: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Wing Construction (Rcaprd@aol.com) 2. 02:44 AM - Re: Epoxy primer recommendation (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:04 AM - Cabane struts (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 4. 05:59 AM - Re: Epoxy primer recommendation (Dick and Marge Gillespie) 5. 07:38 AM - last pick (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 6. 08:42 AM - Re:Fuselage (catdesigns@juno.com) 7. 09:07 AM - 2 seat Ragwing Piet on e-bay (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) 8. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel Tank (Ken Rickards) 9. 12:50 PM - Price fuel tank plans (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 10. 12:54 PM - Price tank plans. (Gdascomb@aol.com) 11. 01:12 PM - Re: Price fuel tank plans (Ken Rickards) 12. 01:16 PM - Re: Price tank plans. (Ken Rickards) 13. 01:41 PM - Piet or GN-1 (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 14. 04:13 PM - weight balance (Richard Navratril) 15. 05:20 PM - Re: weight balance (walter evans) 16. 06:03 PM - Re: weight balance (Carl Loar) 17. 07:19 PM - Price fuel tank (Kip & Beth Gardner) 18. 07:21 PM - Re: Piet or GN-1 (Isablcorky@aol.com) 19. 07:30 PM - Re: 0-200 Engine (Isablcorky@aol.com) 20. 07:34 PM - Re: 0-200 Engine (TomTravis@aol.com) 21. 07:42 PM - Pietenpol for Sale (Greg Yotz) 22. 07:55 PM - Re: weight balance (Richard Navratril) 23. 08:26 PM - Re: Epoxy primer recommendation (Ted Brousseau) 24. 08:54 PM - Re: Epoxy primer recommendation (Bert Conoly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:38 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Construction --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Here is how I built my one piece wing: I used T88 exclusively, and Ace Spar Varnish #16375. The most tedious part, was applying 2 coats of the spar varnish, after ALL construction was 100% complete, getting in every nook & cranny between the gussets, with a small paint brush. I used the 'Single Wrap Spiral' method, as called out in the AC 43-13, to saftey all the turnbuckles. I used torque seal (small squeeze tube of thick laquer paint) on all hardware and fittings, so future inspections through the 10 inspection holes will show any movement. I used Stits Covering method, with 2.7oz on the wing & fuselage, and 1.8oz on the ailerons and empenage. The ribs will now be referred to as 'L1'- Left 1st rib. 'R1' - Right 1st rib. There are 14 ribs on each side. The center rib will be referred to as 'C', and is cut apart to make room for the fiberglass fuel tank. All ribs are identical. Build the rib jig to accept 3/4" spars, and so that the gussets and the upright x next to the spars, are spaced 28 1/16" to 28 1/8" apart. This should be the exact dimention between the spars, with the exception of the 3 center ribs, and the ribs where the lift struts attach. These rib locations have 1/8" plywood doublers on front and aft sides of each spar, and will have to have 1" spar openings. Leave the gussets off in 2 locations of each rib. On the lower forward side of the front spar, and on the aft upper side of the aft spar. Install these gussets after the ribs have been assembled to the spars. This will ensure an easy assembly of the ribs to the spars, and a nice tight fit when it is done. Other gussets to be left off are on the ribs at the inboard aileron station. On this rib (L8 and R8), leave the outboard trailing edge gusset off, for the later installation of the aileron blank plywood (1/16"). I did not cut the ailerons free, untill ALL wing construction was 100% complete, including the aileron spars, braces, hinges, horns, cables & pulleys, and drag / anti-drag cables were installed. After removing the aileron, I removed the fittings, so as to apply varnish underneith, as I did with all fittings. The center section of my wing (forward of the front spar), is designed so as to allow the top of the radiator tank to be within the wing, behind the leading edge. Two 1/8" plywood L.E. ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1 and L1. These sub ribs will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the 1/32" plywood (within the radiator cavity). The radiator was custom made, to be the width between the cabane struts, and I have forward view below the radiator. Plans type, barn door hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left wing tip. The aileron gap was sealed with a piece of 2" fabric tape, before paint was applied. I also made sealed gap hinges on the empenage, but used a different method, due to the Vi Kapler hinges, that pivot at the center. I have pictures of this scanned in, if anyone is interested. Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand crank drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons. Cable guide blocks were numbered 1 thru 8, starting at the top left. I glued 1/4" plywood to the spar, then screwed the guide blocks to the plywood, so as not to drill any extra holes in the spars. Jury strut C/L is 37" outboard of C/L of cabane strut attachments. I estimated the placement of the jury strut attachments by referring to the picture of the Pietenpol on the 1999 I A M Union Calender. The 1/8" Plywood doublers, located at the center section and the lift strut attachments, should have Spaded Ends (football shaped). These doublers bring the width of the spar to the plans width of 1", and allow the plans dimentions to be used for all the fittings. These 5 ribs must be made to accept 1" spars. The ribs were weighted, without varnish, and the heaviest ones were installed inboard, progressively installing the lighter ones toward the wingips. The two inboard ribs are the only ones that are made out of Spruce, the rest of the ribs are made out of Western Cedar. LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE 1.) 7.24 oz Spruce 1.) 7.4 oz Spruce 2.) 7.8 oz All other ribs are Cedar 2.) 7.96 oz All other ribs are Cedar 3.) 7.91 oz 3.) 7.93 oz 4.) 7.5 oz 4.) 7.91 oz 5.) 6.58 oz 5.) 6.56 oz 6.) 7.94 oz 6.) 6.34 oz 7.) 6.4 oz 7.) 6.44 oz 8.) 7.93 oz 8.) 6.4 oz 9.) 6.44 oz 9.) 6.3 oz 10.) 6.34 oz 10.) 6.25 oz 11.) 6.29 oz 11.) 6.2 oz 12.) 6.22 oz 12.) 6.17 oz 13.) 6.15 oz 13.) 6.14 oz 14.) 6.1 oz 14.) 6.09 oz Chuck Gantzer NX770CG p.s. I'm re-powering my plane with a Continental A65 engine. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Just so everyone knows, there are epoxy primers and there are Epoxy Primers. I first used Randolph's "Epibond" epoxy primer on my project. While it is definitely more durable than enamel, it can still be scraped off. Then I switched to Stits Poly Fiber Epoxy Primer and the only way I've found to mar it is heavy sandblasting, and that takes a while. It is expensive, but is well worth the price, if you want your Piet to be around for a few years. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Brousseau Subject: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" I was fitting my lower motor mount fittings today. I tend to make every thing fit tight. So, I had to persuade them to slide into place a couple of times. I hammered away with a rubber hammer and a regular hammer with wood. When I got done I noticed there was not one scratch or chip in the epoxy primer. I have used lots of paint over the years and usually ruin my lovely paint job with the slip of a screw driver or something. I am so glad I bit the bullet and spent the extra money for epoxy primer. Down here in Florida we are alway battling against corrosion. I am going to sleep better tonight knowing I have thrown up a good defense. Just thought others might want to know the results of epoxy primer. Ted Brousseau ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:37 AM PST US From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [209.240.212.82]) [209.240.212.25]) ETArAhMuywyVL9Vgh2AmMn/+le3aVizyAhQeccs/d9uZ/D+uvYz5CEy86Pt+vg== From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Listers: I'm making my cabane struts now. You guys who have already made yours, did you cap the ends or leave them open? (to moisture, gremlins, etc.) Thanks. Leon S. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:21 AM PST US From: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dick and Marge Gillespie" I agree. I tried to remove some Stits Epoxy Primer. That's a trip. DickG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > Just so everyone knows, there are epoxy primers and there are Epoxy Primers. > I first used Randolph's "Epibond" epoxy primer on my project. While it is > definitely more durable than enamel, it can still be scraped off. Then I > switched to Stits Poly Fiber Epoxy Primer and the only way I've found to mar > it is heavy sandblasting, and that takes a while. It is expensive, but is > well worth the price, if you want your Piet to be around for a few years. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted > Brousseau > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:41 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > I was fitting my lower motor mount fittings today. I tend to make every > thing fit tight. So, I had to persuade them to slide into place a couple of > times. I hammered away with a rubber hammer and a regular hammer with wood. > When I got done I noticed there was not one scratch or chip in the epoxy > primer. I have used lots of paint over the years and usually ruin my lovely > paint job with the slip of a screw driver or something. I am so glad I bit > the bullet and spent the extra money for epoxy primer. Down here in Florida > we are alway battling against corrosion. I am going to sleep better tonight > knowing I have thrown up a good defense. > > Just thought others might want to know the results of epoxy primer. > > Ted Brousseau > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:49 AM PST US From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com by apataki-fi.lerc.nasa.gov with ESMTP (8.8.8+Sun/2.20-grc) From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: last pick --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy The good news is that the "last shall be first" !!!!!!! do not archive Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:15 AM PST US Subject: Re:Pietenpol-List: Fuselage From: catdesigns@juno.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: catdesigns@juno.com I didn't install the the plywood on either side of the fuselage and I also left off the firewall. The fuselage is plenty strong with T-88 holding it together. Makes it very easy to put in the controls, seat and stuff. I even sit in the plane and make airplane noises when I don't feel like building. Not a single glue joint has broken. Just to let you know how good T-88 is, I don't install the wing rib gussets until I take the rib out of the jig. The 1/4"x1/2" butt joints hold just fine. Chris Sacramento, CA ---------- "rod wooller" writes: From: "rod wooller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" This weekend I laid up my first fuselage side and everything seemed quite straightforward. So far so good. I intend to leave off the ply sides to make it easier to fit the internals and am concerned about the uprights and braces just being end-glued to the longerons,(I'm using T88). I have run a length of 3/16" threaded rod through the longeron overhangs at the front and rear to keep everything together but am wondering if there are any other things I have to do to avoid an unpleasant surprise when I pop the fuse out of the jig. Thanks, Rod Wooller Chidlow Australia ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:58 AM PST US From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com by apataki-fi.lerc.nasa.gov with ESMTP (8.8.8+Sun/2.20-grc) From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2 seat Ragwing Piet on e-bay --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy This is something different.......... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873897053 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US From: Ken Rickards Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Tank --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards Leon, Where can I get the plans for Kerri Price's flat bottom tank. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Kip & Beth Gardner [mailto:kipandbeth@earthlink.net] Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Tank --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner At 1:56 PM -0500 11/29/02, Leon Stefan wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > >Kip: To get more fuel capacity in the wing, consider a flat bottom tank >(like Kerri Price's), rather than BHP's design with the tapered tank >floor. Price also offers drawings for gapless wing root-center section >connection. No flashing and screws. As far as the front door goes, I'm >sure I will come to love it. Making it wasn't a problem or any more work >then any other sub assembly of the plane. (however I spent a year >building the center section--that sucker was a problem!) If you make the >door, you must do it before you put the fus. sides together. As I said >before, Price's stuff is all top notch, bit his Aircamper, with all his >goodies added was heavy. (I think around 730 lbs. as I recall) I'm using >his fuel tank, and gapless aileron (piano hinge) drawings, and of course >the front door. Good luck with your bird. Leon S. Hi Leon, Thanks for the tip. I wasn't considering using the Price fuel tank plans, but I might reconsider. I'm definitely using the 3-piece wing plans, although it sounds like a handful! KAP told me that it would be possible to add the door after the fuse is together (as mine is), but it sounds like you think otherwise & that might just be 'marketing optimism' on her part. I assume you think it would be too much work to do properly, if at all, this point. This might just be a feature that needs to wait until my second Piet, assumming there is one:). DJ, I realize that a large passenger in the front pit won't change CG - just a little humor from a guy who was always picked last & stuck in the outfield for sandlot baseball because of my size - at least aviation is mostly an equal-opportunity hobby! Cheers! Kip Gardner 426 Schneider St. SE North Canton, OH 44720 (330) 494-1775 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:34 PM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Price fuel tank plans --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Ken: I dug out my address book and punched in Prices e-mail address and got nothing. Either I copied it wrong, or he has changed addresses since I jotted it down a long time ago. Others have contacted himher recently. Could some one help out with Price's address? Sorry I can't help. Leon S. Do not arcive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:44 PM PST US From: Gdascomb@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Price tank plans. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com Try this for plans:http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:37 PM PST US From: Ken Rickards Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Price fuel tank plans --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards Thanks Leon, Ken -----Original Message----- From: lshutks@webtv.net [mailto:lshutks@webtv.net] Subject: Pietenpol-List: Price fuel tank plans --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Ken: I dug out my address book and punched in Prices e-mail address and got nothing. Either I copied it wrong, or he has changed addresses since I jotted it down a long time ago. Others have contacted himher recently. Could some one help out with Price's address? Sorry I can't help. Leon S. Do not arcive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:38 PM PST US From: Ken Rickards Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Price tank plans. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ken Rickards That's Great. I now have it book marked. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gdascomb@aol.com [mailto:Gdascomb@aol.com] Subject: Pietenpol-List: Price tank plans. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com Try this for plans:http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:58 PM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet or GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Larry Ragan: I bought my plans back in 74 when I didn't have a pot to ---- in, and was fascinated by the Model A power plant. You could pick one up for about 25 bucks and it at the time I thought I would be a young poor family man forever, and that was the only way I could afford to get into the air. I'm out of that tight financial mode now, but ever got over the Ford Piet. That's why I'm building the Piet. today. (there are other reasons also). Knowing what I know now, If I were starting out today with an updated engine I would go with a more updated airplane and most important UP DATED PLANS to build from. (the Piet plans are awful) I would look seriously at the GN-1. This may all be for naught, because like Chuck Gantzer and many others I may have to convert to a Cont. engine. I hope the Ford works, but I bought a Cont. last summer just incase. Leon S. do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:46 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight balance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" I am ready to start the weight balance process. I know that this has been discussed many times. I have been in the archives searching for the info but no luck yet. Does anyone have a full explaination of the complete process for a short fuse with an A-65? Dick ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:58 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight balance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" If you are looking for a program to do it with, this one was the best ( supplied by someone on this group) Here is the program that I used for maxed out gross. You can plug any numbers in that you want. ( hopefully you have windows EXCEL) If you are looking for a basic explanation of how to do W&B, let us know. Me or others can explain. When you hear it , it seems like Greek, but when you really do it, it's really easy. Let us know. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight balance > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" > > I am ready to start the weight balance process. I know that this has been discussed many times. I have been in the archives searching for the info but no luck yet. Does anyone have a full explaination of the complete process for a short fuse with an A-65? > Dick > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:48 PM PST US From: "Carl Loar" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight balance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" Richard, Go to this page on my web site. The exel program is there and there is another formula you can use if you don't have exel. http://members.core.com/~skycarl/weightandbalance.html Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight balance > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" > > I am ready to start the weight balance process. I know that this has been discussed many times. I have been in the archives searching for the info but no luck yet. Does anyone have a full explaination of the complete process for a short fuse with an A-65? > Dick > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:23 PM PST US From: Kip & Beth Gardner Subject: Pietenpol-List: Price fuel tank --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner Hi Leon, What's the capacity of your Price fuel tank? Did you put a gauge on it? Cheers! Kip 426 Schneider St. SE North Canton, OH 44720 (330) 494-1775 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:14 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet or GN-1 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Leon, I don't know you and you don't know me so my comments are directed to the bare wall with no expectant recoil. After reading your last letter to the list I'm wondering if you are ready to build an airplane. Your comment about the inadequacy of the plans. May I point out that no matter how detailed one may draw up a set of plans there will ALWAYS be someone lacking the building and technical experience to understand the mechanical requirements which are implied and expected of a builder. One could be so complete as to tell the builder how to adjust a cresent wrench to fit various size nuts and bolts or how to hold a spray gun, angle and all, when painting their Piet. Where is the end? As for the Piet vs GN1, that's your problem. I chose the Piet plans and found them more than adequate. My plane is completed and if I had it to do over again I wouldn't change one nut. Corky in La w/ 16:45 test pilot hrs on N41CC ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:12 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 Engine --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Tom, Try to call me before you come or after you are here as I'm only about 10 minutes from Lucien. I'm bringing Isabelle home from the hospital tomorrow morning, Tuesday, but will be available to meet you and show you 41 CC at Lucien Corky 318 868 3385 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:55 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 Engine --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com Corky, Thanks, I'd appreciate that. I'm not sure if tomorrow is going to work but if I can make it I'll call. I certainly hope your wife is doing well. Tom ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:46 PM PST US From: "Greg Yotz" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Sale --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Yotz" Due to financial needs, I need to get rid of a couple of my projects. I have a Pietenpol(GN-1) project for sale. All wood parts of the aircraft are complete, tail feathers, wings, fuselage and a most hardware components including landing gear, gas tank and most of the cowl. It does need control cable, lift struts and wheels put on before covering. I'm asking $4000 with a Lycoming O-145 engine and mount or would take offers without the engine. I also have two motorcycle spoked wheels that I was going to use on the Piet. I also have a Ford Model A engine that has been torn down and inspected but not yet converted and all parts are included. I'm asking $250 for the A engine. Here are links to pictures of the Pietenpol. http://www.gregyotz.com/hanger.htm Greg Yotz Burlington, KS ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:07 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratril" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight balance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" Walt Thanks for the response. I have a handle on the basics, I should have been more specific. I need to know what the FAA is going to want to see for a w/b worksheet in my operation manual. Also I was interested in the work sheets to do it. Did you send an attachment or a site, if so it didn't come through. I have exel at work, I can forward it on. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight balance > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" > > If you are looking for a program to do it with, this one was the best ( > supplied by someone on this group) Here is the program that I used for > maxed out gross. You can plug any numbers in that you want. ( hopefully you > have windows EXCEL) > If you are looking for a basic explanation of how to do W&B, let us know. > Me or others can explain. When you hear it , it seems like Greek, but when > you really do it, it's really easy. > Let us know. > walt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Navratril" > To: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight balance > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratril" > > > > > I am ready to start the weight balance process. I know that this has been > discussed many times. I have been in the archives searching for the info > but no luck yet. Does anyone have a full explaination of the complete > process for a short fuse with an A-65? > > Dick > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:10 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" Yes, I should have added that. I used Stits too. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > Just so everyone knows, there are epoxy primers and there are Epoxy Primers. > I first used Randolph's "Epibond" epoxy primer on my project. While it is > definitely more durable than enamel, it can still be scraped off. Then I > switched to Stits Poly Fiber Epoxy Primer and the only way I've found to mar > it is heavy sandblasting, and that takes a while. It is expensive, but is > well worth the price, if you want your Piet to be around for a few years. > > Jack > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:24 PM PST US From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" Ted: Their varnish is awesome, too. Ought to paint the house with that stuff. I mis-varnished (is that a word?) some stuff once. I nearly had to sand blast it to get back down to the wood. Bert (who has FINALLY finished wing NUMBER ONE) Man' I'll be glad when I am through with this stupid airplane.......... See you later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > Yes, I should have added that. I used Stits too. > > Ted > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Phillips" > To: > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Epoxy primer recommendation > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > Just so everyone knows, there are epoxy primers and there are Epoxy > Primers. > > I first used Randolph's "Epibond" epoxy primer on my project. While it is > > definitely more durable than enamel, it can still be scraped off. Then I > > switched to Stits Poly Fiber Epoxy Primer and the only way I've found to > mar > > it is heavy sandblasting, and that takes a while. It is expensive, but is > > well worth the price, if you want your Piet to be around for a few years. > > > > Jack > > > >