Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 12/15/02


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 01:43 AM - Re: Airfoil (Christian Bobka)
     2. 06:55 AM - Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/14/02 ()
     3. 08:57 AM - engine choices (Janis Nielsen)
     4. 10:03 AM - Re: engine choices (Wayne McIntosh)
     5. 01:37 PM - Re: engine choices (Kip & Beth Gardner)
     6. 02:06 PM - Re: engine choices (del magsam)
     7. 02:14 PM - PIET: Buying wood (Barry Davis)
     8. 02:55 PM - Re: engine choices (mark deacon)
     9. 04:20 PM - Re: engine choices (clif)
    10. 04:42 PM - Re: PIET: Buying wood (clif)
    11. 04:57 PM - Re: PIET: Buying wood (Lauritz Larsen)
    12. 05:24 PM - Re: engine choices (Borodent@aol.com)
    13. 07:04 PM - Re: engine choices (del magsam)
    14. 07:04 PM - Re: engine choices (Kip & Beth Gardner)
    15. 07:13 PM - Re: PIET: Buying wood (del magsam)
    16. 07:33 PM - Re: PIET: Buying wood (Ken & Lisa Rickards)
    17. 08:09 PM - Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/14/02 (Ted Brousseau)
    18. 09:59 PM - Re: engine choices (Gary Gower)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:43:14 AM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Airfoil
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> Kevin, I agree with you about the attitude of the EAA Library. You can't get much done there when you are trying to research something. I would think that the people that donated stuff to get the library up and going would be pretty mad if they knew that the paying members like you and I really don't have the ability to use the library as one would think it should be used. Chris Bobka -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Holcomb Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb" <ksholcomb@mindspring.com> Thanks a lot. I know where I found most of my photos however the ones that are labeled "unknown" are just that. I wish I had kept better records long ago when I started my collection. I give photo credit whenever I know how to credit it. By the way, I am still looking for photos and information on early Pietenpol's (pre ww2 only). Any tips on where to look would be appreciated. Don't bother mention the EAA library, 1. their fee structure is extreamly steep (I dont mind paying reasonable research/reproduction fees but there is clearly far beyond 'cost'), 2. Even if I could spend the money for a photo or two they do not want their photos used on the internet (and when used in books they want royalties). I mistakingly wrote them for assistance thinking that they might be interested in the documentation/distribution of the history of early "homebuilt airplanes." I find it notable when an orgainization with 'education' in their stated goals treats their collections as 'assets' rather than libraries. Kevin Holcomb http://www.angelfire.com/va2/aerodrome/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net> > > THANK YOU KEVIN!!!! > > Your website has the only known picture of my friends Monocoupe 90 in its > original Stanavo paint scheme. I have been looking for a picture of this > NC11753 for the last twelve years. Restoration has been on hold for a while > now until a picture turned up AND YOU HAVE IT!! > > Astronaut Buzz Aldrin's old man was a corporate pilot for Stanavo and > undoubtedly flew this ship. > > Might you have the original photo or know the source of this or others? > > Chris Bobka > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin > Holcomb > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kevin Holcomb" > <ksholcomb@mindspring.com> > > The Pietenpol airfoil as several others mentioned is something that > Pietenpol came up with himself. I was curious how it compared to other > airfoils so I worked up a set of coordinates based on the published plans > (and smoothed, as shown in the plans leaves a bit to be desired > mathematically as measurements closer than 1/32 for plans are not very > practical.) I then fed the coordinates to XFOIL, a rather nice CFD airfoil > analysis program with a neat viscous flow solver. Also, I had to guess a > bit at what the shape was at the leading edge as the plans are not very > detailed in that region. The data and coordinates are on the Air Camper > page within my personal web page which can be found at: > http://www.angelfire.com/va2/aerodrome/ > > It is a high lift/high drag airfoil as one would expect from a low and slow > flier. > > Kevin Holcomb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <chrisw3@cox.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Chris <chrisw3@cox.net> > > > > Does anyone know what Airfoil the Air camper uses and have the data for > > it? > > > > -- > > Chris Woodhouse > > 3147 SW 127th St. > > Oklahoma City, OK 73170 > > 405-691-5206 (home) > > chrisw@programmer.net > > N35 20.492' > > W97 34.342' > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:55:15 AM PST US
    From: <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/14/02
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > I thought I remembered you saying you made your instrument panel and front > cowling supports taller than the 9" called for in the plans. I have read > all your emails I have saved and can't find it. You can find the answer to this in the first 10 minutes of Mike's video......hint hint.... :-) The Building and Flying of NX48MC. This two hour home video shows building tips, construction techniques and archival footage taken during the building, taxiing, and test flying of Michael Cuy's Pietenpol Air Camper NX48MC $20 plus $3 shipping. Order from: Michael Cuy 298 Runn St. Berea, OH 44017 http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html disclaimer: I am in NO way affiliated with this character except to say that this endorsement is a shameless attempt at "earning" a ride in his Piet next year at Brodhead!!! (Come on!! I'm just kidding!!!....he would probably do it anyway...) Seriously, there are some essential resources available to us and this is one of them. So, (and I say this expecially in view of the fact that there are several new folks to the list), get the video. After you view it you'll know what I mean...... Jim practicing/learning welding in Plano TX > > My question is how much taller did you (or anyone else) make it? Would you > make it the same again?


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    Time: 08:57:16 AM PST US
    From: Janis Nielsen <nielsen5052@yahoo.com>
    Subject: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Janis Nielsen <nielsen5052@yahoo.com> Thanks for all of the input. It has given me a lot to think about. I have an aircraft mechanic friend here who wants to help me with building my plane. He has his opinions against automobile engines in airplanes. But I figure, the corvair has been used in this bird for over 40 years. It has to be reliable. I am probably going to follow Kip's advice and get William Wynn's conversion manual. I have also located a CORSA group in Salt Lake City. I also have some leads on some corvair suppliers in St. George and Los Angeles. If I keep my eyes open, I can probably find something reasonable. For Oscar Z. I may be thinking ahead a bit, but since I cannot get to the Corvair College on Jan. 18, is there another one planned this year ('03) or next year ('04). Let me know, so I can plan some vacation time. Thanks guys. Bruce Nielsen Spanish Fork, UT


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    Time: 10:03:45 AM PST US
    From: "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com> Bruce, Do get the manual from William and let your A&P friend read it. Continue to look over the other options, if your A&P friend still thinks you need to go the airplane engine route you will have spent less than $100.00 on confirming your decision. But I bet after he reads William's manual he will agree the Corvair is hard to beat for the money. Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janis Nielsen" <nielsen5052@yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine choices > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Janis Nielsen <nielsen5052@yahoo.com> > > Thanks for all of the input. It has given me a lot to > think about. I have an aircraft mechanic friend here > who wants to help me with building my plane. He has > his opinions against automobile engines in airplanes. > But I figure, the corvair has been used in this bird > for over 40 years. It has to be reliable. I am > probably going to follow Kip's advice and get William > Wynn's conversion manual. I have also located a CORSA > group in Salt Lake City. I also have some leads on > some corvair suppliers in St. George and Los Angeles. > If I keep my eyes open, I can probably find something > reasonable. > > For Oscar Z. > I may be thinking ahead a bit, but since I cannot get > to the Corvair College on Jan. 18, is there another > one planned this year ('03) or next year ('04). Let me > know, so I can plan some vacation time. > > Thanks guys. > > Bruce Nielsen > Spanish Fork, UT > >


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    Time: 01:37:06 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 1:06 PM -0500 12/15/02, Wayne McIntosh wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" ><mcintosh3017@insightbb.com> > >Bruce, > Do get the manual from William and let your A&P friend read it. Continue >to look over the other options, if your A&P friend still thinks you need to >go the airplane engine route you will have spent less than $100.00 on >confirming your decision. But I bet after he reads William's manual he will >agree the Corvair is hard to beat for the money. >Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN Hi Bruce, There is always a 'Corvair College' every Memorial Day weekend at William's hangar near Daytona Beach - a little far for those of you in the western half of the country, I know, but it is an option. I hope to be there this year or next. Do let your A&P friend read Wm's. manual when you get it, but just be sure YOU are 100% comfortable with the engine choice you make, whatever it finally is. I have discovered that there is a significant minority of aviation folks who just can't stomach the idea of an auto conversion in a plane, or who insist that you 'must' make your auto engine as 'certificated-like' as possible. For example, this past week at my EAA Chapter meeting, one of the members (who is in the final stages of doing a superb restoration on a Yale) practically insisted that I should throw out the standard ignition system on my Corvair & devise a magneto system. I appreciate the prejudice, after all, these systems have worked well for years. But I also know that William tried a magneto system, and then went back & came up with a good, cheap & easy redundant ignition system based on the engine's original system. I like his style of describing everything he tried to come up with his current recommendations, it makes it easier to decide for yourself whether or not you want to do it his way once you know the outcome of other experiments. I'll get off the soapbox now - some of my friends say I should be a politician or preacher, but I there are limits to how much I'll compromise my integrity ;). Cheers, Kip Gardner 426 Schneider St. SE North Canton, OH 44720 (330) 494-1775


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    Time: 02:06:15 PM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > There is always a 'Corvair College' every Memorial > Day weekend at William's > hangar near Daytona Beach - a little far for those > of you in the western > half of the country, I know, but it is an option. I > hope to be there this > year or next. I am hoping to put one together in the wisconsin area around the time of oshkosh and brodhead get togethers. would anybody be interested in having at brodhead during the pietenpol flyin? If the people that host the brodhead flyin and william are willing. Del ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com"


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    Time: 02:14:28 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: PIET: Buying wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> We are quickly approaching the Buying Wood stage. I looked at Douglas Fir in Atlanta for $7 per board foot. I know there are other options and I need help. Where is wood being bought and for how much? Are most using Spruce or Fir? Thanks Barry Davis


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    Time: 02:55:31 PM PST US
    From: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com> --- del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> wrote: I am hoping to put one together in the wisconsin area around the time of oshkosh and brodhead get togethers. would anybody be interested in having at brodhead during the pietenpol flyin? If the people that host the brodhead flyin and william are willing. Del That would work for me, Memorial day weekend is always booked up by birthdays. Mark Deacon Detroit, Mi


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    Time: 04:20:28 PM PST US
    From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> In 44 years of driving I have owned some 20 vehicles, from 1yr old to over 20. In all all that time I have had only 3 ignition failures. Finch, in his auto engine book makes a good point. Auto manufacurers do not want their engines to fail, bad image, so they spend millions in testing and refining. That "millions" is more than the entire production of Lycoming and Continental, never mind testing. So what's more reliable? Also in Kitplanes not long ago was an article on engines. It turns out that dual ignition is not entirely for safety. It is required to provide two flame fronts for complete burning as AC engine cylinders are too large for one to do the job. Another point is that your piet engine, whatever it is, is going to be pampered way beyond anything in even the best cared for car. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine choices > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > > At 1:06 PM -0500 12/15/02, Wayne McIntosh wrote: > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" > ><mcintosh3017@insightbb.com> > > > >Bruce, > > Do get the manual from William and let your A&P friend read it. Continue > >to look over the other options, if your A&P friend still thinks you need to > >go the airplane engine route you will have spent less than $100.00 on > >confirming your decision. But I bet after he reads William's manual he will > >agree the Corvair is hard to beat for the money. > >Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN > > Hi Bruce, > > There is always a 'Corvair College' every Memorial Day weekend at William's > hangar near Daytona Beach - a little far for those of you in the western > half of the country, I know, but it is an option. I hope to be there this > year or next. > > Do let your A&P friend read Wm's. manual when you get it, but just be sure > YOU are 100% comfortable with the engine choice you make, whatever it > finally is. > > I have discovered that there is a significant minority of aviation folks > who just can't stomach the idea of an auto conversion in a plane, or who > insist that you 'must' make your auto engine as 'certificated-like' as > possible. For example, this past week at my EAA Chapter meeting, one of the > members (who is in the final stages of doing a superb restoration on a > Yale) practically insisted that I should throw out the standard ignition > system on my Corvair & devise a magneto system. I appreciate the prejudice, > after all, these systems have worked well for years. But I also know that > William tried a magneto system, and then went back & came up with a good, > cheap & easy redundant ignition system based on the engine's original > system. I like his style of describing everything he tried to come up with > his current recommendations, it makes it easier to decide for yourself > whether or not you want to do it his way once you know the outcome of other > experiments. > > I'll get off the soapbox now - some of my friends say I should be a > politician or preacher, but I there are limits to how much I'll compromise > my integrity ;). > > Cheers, > > Kip Gardner > > > 426 Schneider St. SE > North Canton, OH 44720 > (330) 494-1775 > >


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    Time: 04:42:34 PM PST US
    From: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: PIET: Buying wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> Hi Barry, I'm using western hemlock which is slightly stronger than spruce and varies in weight from slightly less to slightly more than spruce. The best thing to do is go to the archives and put in wood&fir&hemlock&substitute in the search box. This will get you a goodly number of messages to start you off. Then make up your own search string to get more. There's an excellent article, with charts, in the Sport Aviation mag. from the EAA, Sept, 1984. as well. Good Luck, Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIET: Buying wood > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > > We are quickly approaching the Buying Wood stage. I looked at Douglas Fir in Atlanta for $7 per board foot. I know there are other options and I need help. Where is wood being bought and for how much? Are most using Spruce or Fir? > Thanks > Barry Davis > >


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    Time: 04:57:11 PM PST US
    From: "Lauritz Larsen" <pietlars@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: PIET: Buying wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Lauritz Larsen" <pietlars@earthlink.net> If you know what you are looking for, it is not too hard to find douglas fir that will be quite satisfactory for your aircraft construction. If you want to do a little reesearch on wood, EAA has a book entitled 'Wood' that is a good background data book. I built my Aircamper out of doug fir for structural members) plus some red cedar and white pine as well. $7.00/bd ft sounds a bit high; I paid about $1.40 per lineal ft of 2x4. This is $2.10/bd ft. I went to 84 lumber looked at their clear fir trim stock. 2x4s work out nicely.Suggest that you go see lumber yards that supply contractors; NOT HOME DEPOT OR LOWES. Ask where they keep their clear fir, then go sort through it but restack it so that its neat. I found clear fir 2x4s in 12, 14, 16 and 20 foot lengths; found several 14' sticks that were clear, straight, and full dimension. Then I hefted them and chose the 5 lightest ones. This yielded stock for four spars and the leading and trailing edges. Made the spars 3/4" x 5" (trimmed to 4 3/4". laminated the spars out of 8 pieces of approximately 11/16 x13/16. Later planed them to 3/4' thickness Hope this helps. Lou Larsen in cool Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIET: Buying wood > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > > We are quickly approaching the Buying Wood stage. I looked at Douglas Fir in Atlanta for $7 per board foot. I know there are other options and I need help. Where is wood being bought and for how much? Are most using Spruce or Fir? > Thanks > Barry Davis > >


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    Time: 05:24:05 PM PST US
    From: Borodent@aol.com
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com Is the corvair college, lecture, demo and slides- or do the Pieters actually work on their own engines? Either way a broadhead corvair college sounds great. Henry Williams


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    Time: 07:04:16 PM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> > Also in Kitplanes not long ago was an article > on engines. It turns out that dual ignition is > not entirely for safety. It is required to provide > two flame fronts for complete burning as AC > engine cylinders are too large for one to do > the job. actually, complete combustion was the primary reason of two sparkplugs. I read that in some old eaa history books. and the reason is mainly the low compression used, leaded fuel, and large diameter pistons. ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com"


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    Time: 07:04:17 PM PST US
    From: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> At 8:22 PM -0500 12/15/02, Borodent@aol.com wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com > >Is the corvair college, lecture, demo and slides- or do the Pieters actually >work on their own engines? >Either way a broadhead corvair college sounds great. >Henry Williams Henry, There was a great description of the last Daytona College in a past issue of one of the publications (Experimenter? BPA Newsletter?) a few months back. I think Doc Mosher wrote it. It's as hands-on as you want it to be. Bring your engine & parts, in whatever stage of asssembly/disassembly/whatever & William, Kevin & other friends & associates will give you all the help you need. It sounds like a super time - I'm looking forward to my chance to get to one. Del - barring another last-minute disaster, I plan on being at Brodhead this year, so yes, I'd be up for a session of 'College' there! Cheers! Kip Gardner 426 Schneider St. SE North Canton, OH 44720 (330) 494-1775


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    Time: 07:13:03 PM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: PIET: Buying wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com> Barry you could look at sailboat wood suppliers for spruce. there is one in madison wi called mccormicks lumber. but you might have one closer. wood is about $9.00 bd ft. but it is of aircraft quality, and much lighter than fir. Del --- Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" > <bed@mindspring.com> > > We are quickly approaching the Buying Wood stage. I > looked at Douglas Fir in Atlanta for $7 per board > foot. I know there are other options and I need > help. Where is wood being bought and for how much? > Are most using Spruce or Fir? > Thanks > Barry Davis > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com"


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    Time: 07:33:45 PM PST US
    From: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca>
    Subject: Re: PIET: Buying wood
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken & Lisa Rickards" <KL0914@cogeco.ca> Hi Barry, I am building a GN1. I also looked around at the price of wood before I started. I am using Spruce for the tail feathers and wing ribs, and Douglas Fir for the spars and fuselage. I am not too worried about the little additional weight of the Fir and the "price is right". Up here in Canada Spruce is $14.50 per board foot compared to $4.25 for Fir and I can get Fir in most builders supplys stores. According to the EAA. Fir is a little more difficult to work with, thats why I chose Spruce for the fiddly bits that require a bit more bending. Good luck on your wood hunt, Ken From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIET: Buying wood >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com> > >We are quickly approaching the Buying Wood stage. I looked at Douglas Fir in Atlanta for $7 per board foot. I know there are other options and I need help. Where is wood being bought and for how much? Are most using Spruce or Fir? >Thanks >Barry Davis > >


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    Time: 08:09:46 PM PST US
    From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
    Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/14/02
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net> Jim, You are right. I thought I remembered Mike saying it. Just couldn't remember where. It has been about 4 months since I watched the video. Guess it is time to do it again. I agree with you on how valuable it is. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/14/02 > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > > > > I thought I remembered you saying you made your instrument panel and front > > cowling supports taller than the 9" called for in the plans. I have read > > all your emails I have saved and can't find it. > > You can find the answer to this in the first 10 minutes of Mike's > video......hint hint.... :-) > > The Building and Flying of NX48MC. > This two hour home video shows building tips, construction techniques and > archival footage taken during the building, taxiing, and test flying of > Michael Cuy's Pietenpol Air Camper NX48MC > $20 plus $3 shipping. Order from: > Michael Cuy > 298 Runn St. > Berea, OH 44017 > > http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html > > disclaimer: I am in NO way affiliated with this character except to say that > this endorsement is a shameless attempt at "earning" a ride in his Piet next > year at Brodhead!!! (Come on!! I'm just kidding!!!....he would probably do > it anyway...) > > Seriously, there are some essential resources available to us and this is > one of them. So, (and I say this expecially in view of the fact that there > are several new folks to the list), get the video. After you view it you'll > know what I mean...... > > Jim practicing/learning welding in Plano TX >


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    Time: 09:59:23 PM PST US
    From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: engine choices
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> Clif, That is a great point... With the mantainance we are supposed to give to our airplane engine conversions (Change points, condenser and plugs every 25 to 50 flying hours), the engine should run like a Rolls Royce... I always used double condenser in my cars with points, here we believe the condenser is the weak point of the igntion "chain", I have never had an ignition failure in any of my cars, using double condenser, also I have owned latetly several with electronic ignition. My first one that failed was until just a few weeks ago: My '88 F150 straight 6, with electronic ignition failed from a "ruler type" part that goes in the distributor, had to tow her. First time to tow (ignition related) in 35 years of driving. Saludos Gary Gower --- clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: clif <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> > > In 44 years of driving I have owned some > 20 vehicles, from 1yr old to over 20. In all > all that time I have had only 3 ignition > failures. Finch, in his auto engine book > makes a good point. Auto manufacurers do > not want their engines to fail, bad image, so > they spend millions in testing and refining. > That "millions" is more than the entire production > of Lycoming and Continental, never mind > testing. So what's more reliable? > Also in Kitplanes not long ago was an article > on engines. It turns out that dual ignition is > not entirely for safety. It is required to provide > two flame fronts for complete burning as AC > engine cylinders are too large for one to do > the job. > Another point is that your piet engine, whatever > it is, is going to be pampered way beyond > anything in even the best cared for car. > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kip & Beth Gardner" <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine choices > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip & Beth Gardner > <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > > > > At 1:06 PM -0500 12/15/02, Wayne McIntosh wrote: > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" > > ><mcintosh3017@insightbb.com> > > > > > >Bruce, > > > Do get the manual from William and let your A&P friend read > it. > Continue > > >to look over the other options, if your A&P friend still thinks > you need > to > > >go the airplane engine route you will have spent less than $100.00 > on > > >confirming your decision. But I bet after he reads William's > manual he > will > > >agree the Corvair is hard to beat for the money. > > >Wayne McIntosh Lafayette IN > > > > Hi Bruce, > > > > There is always a 'Corvair College' every Memorial Day weekend at > William's > > hangar near Daytona Beach - a little far for those of you in the > western > > half of the country, I know, but it is an option. I hope to be > there this > > year or next. > > > > Do let your A&P friend read Wm's. manual when you get it, but just > be sure > > YOU are 100% comfortable with the engine choice you make, whatever > it > > finally is. > > > > I have discovered that there is a significant minority of aviation > folks > > who just can't stomach the idea of an auto conversion in a plane, > or who > > insist that you 'must' make your auto engine as 'certificated-like' > as > > possible. For example, this past week at my EAA Chapter meeting, > one of > the > > members (who is in the final stages of doing a superb restoration > on a > > Yale) practically insisted that I should throw out the standard > ignition > > system on my Corvair & devise a magneto system. I appreciate the > prejudice, > > after all, these systems have worked well for years. But I also > know that > > William tried a magneto system, and then went back & came up with a > good, > > cheap & easy redundant ignition system based on the engine's > original > > system. I like his style of describing everything he tried to come > up with > > his current recommendations, it makes it easier to decide for > yourself > > whether or not you want to do it his way once you know the outcome > of > other > > experiments. > > > > I'll get off the soapbox now - some of my friends say I should be a > > politician or preacher, but I there are limits to how much I'll > compromise > > my integrity ;). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kip Gardner > > > > > > 426 Schneider St. SE > > North Canton, OH 44720 > > (330) 494-1775 > > > > > > > > _-> > > > > > >




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