---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/26/02: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Re: Shirts available (John_Duprey@vmed.org) 2. 09:08 AM - (catdesigns@juno.com) 3. 12:13 PM - flight similator for air camper (L&B Hickman) 4. 12:54 PM - Re: flight similator for air camper (kirk) 5. 01:16 PM - Re: flight similator for air camper (Michael Conkling) 6. 01:57 PM - sandblaster articles (Christian Bobka) 7. 06:34 PM - struts, headsets, Wright bros, Flitzer plans (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:54 AM PST US From: John_Duprey@vmed.org Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shirts available 12/26/2002 08:25:23 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org Hi guys I just ( a few weeks back) bought one of those shirts from Bill. It is a very nice shirt, and Bill is super to deal with. "Christian Bobka" @matronics.com on 12/22/2002 02:33:45 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shirts available --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Guys, I saw a really nice piet shirt on ebay and it turns out it is one of the locals from Brodhead selling them. Below is some correspondence I received from him. Contact him directly if you want one (or more). The graphics are wonderful. Maybe you can ask for a picture if you are interested. Chris, Shipping 3 shirts would be about 5 bucks. I'd sell three for $40. The shirts are white 100% cotton Hanes shirts. Because they are all cotton, they will shrink a bit. The front art is a small rectangle, about 3.5 inches wide and 2 inches high with PIETENPOL AIRPLANES in red, blue and black that matches the back lettering. I'm at work right now, when I get home, I'll send you a picture of the front if you'd like. I was at Grassroots and had a few shirts with me, but I didn't want to set up a table and sell Pietenpol stuff at the MAAC fly-in and step on any toes of the MAAC people. If you were there, or at Blakesburg, you probably saw my dad's Rearwin Sportster. Let me know if you want any shirts. I have several left and I also have the other Pietenpol type with the different artwork. Where are you from? Bill Weeden billrobin@brodnet.com > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: From: catdesigns@juno.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: catdesigns@juno.com This is the type of molded ear plugs/ communication devise I am aware of... http://www.pantherelectronics.com/literature/Reprints/AOPA%20REPRINT.pdf When I went for a ride/lesson in a Stearman it was very hard to hear the instructor with conventional headsets. Voice activated microphones did not work so we used a push button intercom and such. After I got back on the ground I decided when I get the plane built I will invest in some of these molded ear type things. This is not an endoursment and I have never used it nor even see it in person. Chris Sacramento, CA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US From: "L&B Hickman" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight similator for air camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "L&B Hickman" I was reading some back messages in piet archives and found your message, March 99, on piet for flight sim 98. I have MS flight sim 98. Can you tell me where I can download the piet sim for it? Do I need to buy anything else to use it? I tried this site, also mentioned http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm and got an administrator page to build websites. I don't think that's what I want. In searching the archives, I only find reference to the piet sim, but only this reference to tell me how to get it, which at this later date is no longer available. I joined the piet list in Aug after going to Brodhead. Don't have much to contribute to the chat, but learning a lot. I do have a piet in progress, hope to be flying it this summer. Help is always appreciated. Thanks, Linzy funflyer@wirefire.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:46 PM PST US From: kirk Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight similator for air camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: kirk I don't know about MS Flight Sim, but there is an Aircamper aircraft for X-plane. You can download the X-plane demo at http://www.X-plane.com and the aircraft at http://www.x-plane.org Kirk ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:41 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight similator for air camper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" hello Linzy, Check out http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/phoenixflightserv/ for the Old Hangar's new site -- There is still a bunch of stuff for FS98 -- I have seen the Piet for FS98 recently. At our museum, we are using Golden Wings on one of our FS98 computers to show what it was like to fly in the 30's (with a Travelair 2000 Bipe) Let me know if you can't find the Piet -- I have the file around here somewhere! ;-) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "L&B Hickman" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight similator for air camper > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "L&B Hickman" > > I was reading some back messages in piet archives and found your message, > March 99, on piet for flight sim 98. > I have MS flight sim 98. Can you tell me where I can download the piet sim > for it? Do I need to buy anything else to use it? I tried this site, also > mentioned http://www.flightsimmers.net/tommy/planes.htm and got an > administrator page to build websites. I don't think that's what I want. In > searching the archives, I only find reference to the piet sim, but only this > reference to tell me how to get it, which at this later date is no longer > available. I joined the piet list in Aug after going to Brodhead. Don't > have much to contribute to the chat, but learning a lot. I do have a piet in > progress, hope to be flying it this summer. > Help is always appreciated. > Thanks, > Linzy > > funflyer@wirefire.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:56 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Pietenpol-List: sandblaster articles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Skip, John d. and Ron b. I am still working on the final installment of the sandblaster series of articles so please sit tight another week or two. thanks. Chris Bobka ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:01 PM PST US From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: struts, headsets, Wright bros, Flitzer plans --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Just three quick things that I have gleaned from scanning the entries from the past several days: 1. The lift struts on the Piet don't (or shouldn't) do anything during flight other than create drag. It's the crossed wires that carry the load, the struts just keep the wings from moving DOWNWARD during landings or other negative G load activities. 2. Ted B. take a look at the Panther Electronics website if you feel you just absolutely can't fly your Piet without radio communications. 3. Try to get a copy of "History By Contract" to find out how the Wright Bros made sure they were credited as being the "first". 4. I have a set of Flitzer plans (I thought this was a Pietenpol site?) that I would GLADLY part with. There are so many different revisions for so many of the parts that it's absolutely baffling to try to make any sense out of. Mr. Williams would be well served IMHO to take out all the wordiness and minute details of the various evolutions and just print up some simple plans that one could build an airplane from. And no, it's not at all built like a Piet. I would guess the parts count is at least three times as great. HO-HO-HO Larry