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1. 12:41 PM - planning your panel layout (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 12:49 PM - engine primer (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 01:00 PM - Re: engine primer (D. Engelkenjohn)
4. 01:26 PM - Re: engine primer (Dave and Connie)
5. 01:45 PM - Primer (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
6. 01:51 PM - Engine Primer (Barry Davis)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: engine primer (Carl Loar)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: engine primer (Carl Loar)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: engine primer (Alan Swanson)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: Primer (Carl Loar)
11. 02:16 PM - Re: planning your panel layout (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 03:21 PM - Pietenpol Model Kits (MAGEEHUM@aol.com)
13. 03:43 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (mark deacon)
14. 03:43 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (Gdascomb@aol.com)
15. 03:45 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (DJ Vegh)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (Christian Bobka)
17. 03:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (Dave and Connie)
18. 04:50 PM - Re: Pietenpol Model Kits (TWINBOOM)
19. 04:59 PM - Re: engine primer (Doyle Combs)
20. 06:39 PM - Re: engine primer (Wayne McIntosh)
21. 08:11 PM - DXF drawings (Larry Groulx)
22. 08:58 PM - Re: engine primer (javier cruz)
23. 09:19 PM - Re: Primer (Gary Gower)
24. 09:28 PM - Re: DXF drawings (ZigoDan@aol.com)
25. 09:33 PM - Re: engine primer (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | planning your panel layout |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
With as large a panel as the Pietenpol has, and as complicated as the
typical Pietenpol panel is, I'm surprised that no one has taken the time to
play with the panel planner at http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ . You go down
the page to "Click here to start building your panel", then on the next page
you pull down the prototype to start building by dragging and dropping
things onto the panel. But no one's yet started a Piet panel. Actually,
the Loehle 5151 is probably pretty close (22" wide, 12" tall), as are the
Skybolt and Pitts. Maybe I'll send them a CAD outline of a typical Piet
panel... (or maybe DJ already has one?)
Of course I'm joking about the complexity of the typical Piet panel, but
most folks do try a little dreaming about how to fit everything they'd like
to have on the panel. In our case (Piet), we have the added factor of
having to miss those crossed cables behind the panel, but it's still easier
to do on paper than in metal or wood...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
question.
Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care that
goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
expensive things in the panel.
Any ideas on a different source for a primer, or-?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
>Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150?
>
Have you tried an aircraft salvage yard yet? All aircraft have them
in some fashion and I am sure there is not near as much demand for used
ones as there are used ones available. Surely they are available for
less than that.
Dennis the cheapskate, still gasping over that price!
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
Oscar,
Why bother with a primer? I have an A-65 in my Taylorcraft and do not use the
primer. When I first got it I tried the primer and agfter fighting with it
to get it to lock
again gave up on it. I just flip the prop over a few times with the
throttle closed and
mags off listening to the sounds coming from the carb. Then mags on and
flip once.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
At 02:48 PM 12/30/02 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
>Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
>the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
>question.
>
>Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
>Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care that
>goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
>expensive things in the panel.
>
>Any ideas on a different source for a primer, or-?
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Oscar: I don't know how this will work, but the ultra light folks use a
squeeze bulb primer. it has a check valve and is under 10 bucks. For the
price, I'm going to order one on my nest AS&S order. If it don't work,
I'm not out much. Leon S.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
I never use mine on the 150's or the 172. just one stroke of the throttle and away
she goes.
My brushes on the older 150 went out and I didn't have time to change them for
a week or so, so I hand propped it. Used the tail tiedown and one wheel chock
(drivers side). Pulled the engine over 4 blades with the throttle closed and mixture
rich (mag switches OFF) then cracked the throttle 1/4 inch (about 1000
rpm. and flipped it over. always cranks on the first flip. Stand beside or sit
and make sure the engine is warmed up enough to run at slow idle. Then, at slow
idle, untie the tail. Then I put one foot on the brake and with the other foot
kicked out the wheel chock. Looked kinda funny, but at no time was the plane
"free" to move. Still flew every day till the brushes came in.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Oscar, I got mine out of a ultralight magazine. It doesn't lock but they
work great and they are cheap.
I think around 25 to 30 bucks if I remember correctly. I bought the kind for
twin carbs. Input from the
top of the gasolator to the primer, two tubes out going to each side of my
manifold where the vacuum lines
were on the corvair. One note for what it's worth. I found I have to prop it
about 6 or 7 times before hitting
the switch on as the fuel shot in and went to the back of the manifold with
the incline of the engine.
After a few props, she fires right up which is good as the rebuilt corvairs
are kinda tight at first.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine primer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
> Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
> the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
> question.
>
> Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
> Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care
that
> goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
> expensive things in the panel.
>
> Any ideas on a different source for a primer, or-?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
ps Oscar,,, the one I have is panel mounted with a flat knob. I mounted it
on my passenger panel. I don't think the bulb type would work well in a
piet.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine primer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
> Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
> the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
> question.
>
> Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
> Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care
that
> goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
> expensive things in the panel.
>
> Any ideas on a different source for a primer, or-?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Swanson" <aswanson@mn.rr.com>
Oscar,
Try Wentworth Aircraft in Minneapolis MN. Seems to me they had them at
Oshkosh for about 35 bucks.
They are at www.wentworthaircraft.com and the phone is 1-800-4wentworth
Al
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine primer
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
question.
Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care that
goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
expensive things in the panel.
(Snip)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Loar" <skycarl@megsinet.net>
Leon,,, The bulb type primers are used mostly with carbs that have
enricheners on them such as Bing carbs. They are usually inline on the
primary fuel line and force the fuel into the bowl and enrichener. You might
want to consider a secondary line that primes the manifold.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Primer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> Oscar: I don't know how this will work, but the ultra light folks use a
> squeeze bulb primer. it has a check valve and is under 10 bucks. For the
> price, I'm going to order one on my nest AS&S order. If it don't work,
> I'm not out much. Leon S.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: planning your panel layout |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Oscar,
If you are serious about needing a primer why didn't you say so. I've got
them coming out the ole yanx, yanx. Tell me what type you want; for flair
fitting or ball fitting. Price will be the same as for those items I received
from you.
Corky, owner of 41CC w/ 19 hours of trouble free flying
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: MAGEEHUM@aol.com
About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick and paper, rubber band
powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't remember who the manufacturer
was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall. Does anyone know if
there is anything like that currently available, and if so, where?
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: mark deacon <wrenchspinner1@yahoo.com>
Check em out at http://www.peck-polymers.com/ under
their Peanut scale line. I don't know of any larger
kits but there are a lot of plans out there, up to 1/4
scale if I'm not mistaken.
Mark Deacon
Detroit, Mi
--- MAGEEHUM@aol.com wrote:
> About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick
> and paper, rubber band
> powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't
> remember who the manufacturer
> was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall.
> Does anyone know if
> there is anything like that currently available, and
> if so, where?
>
> Bob Humbert
> Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gdascomb@aol.com
Tower Hobbies has a 36" wingspan RC model. $49.99. It is for electric power,
but you could probably make it rubber powered.
George
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: DJ Vegh <aircamper@imagedv.com>
I believe there is a rubber power kit by Peck-Polymer
I also have drawn plans for and built a 1/8 scale RC Piet for speed 400
electric power.
you can see it at:
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/06-12-02.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.raptoronline.com
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:19:51 EST, <MAGEEHUM@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: MAGEEHUM@aol.com
>
> About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick and paper, rubber
> band powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't remember who the
> manufacturer was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall. Does
> anyone know if there is anything like that currently available, and if
> so, where?
>
> Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
Peck Polymers. They should atill be in business.
http://www.peck-polymers.com/
chris bobka
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MAGEEHUM@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Model Kits
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: MAGEEHUM@aol.com
About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick and paper, rubber band
powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't remember who the
manufacturer
was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall. Does anyone know if
there is anything like that currently available, and if so, where?
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
Peck-Polymers Stock No. PP-1 according to the one that I have here. I
bought it at the Geneseo Flying Aces meet. You can probably find one in a
really good hobby shop or send a note to Sandy Peck at:
Peck-Polymers
P.O. Box 710399
Santee, CA 92072-0399
Dave
At 06:19 PM 12/30/02 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: MAGEEHUM@aol.com
>
>About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick and paper, rubber band
>powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't remember who the manufacturer
>was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall. Does anyone know if
>there is anything like that currently available, and if so, where?
>
>Bob Humbert
>Battle Creek, MI
>N491RH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Model Kits |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com>
Bob,
If you send me your snail mail. I will send you one. I bought it a while
back, and have decided not to put the time in it, but rather build some ribs
for the real one. Drop me a private email, and it will be in the mail on
Thursday.
N/C
Doug B.
Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn
Yucaipa California
Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com
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From: <MAGEEHUM@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Model Kits
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: MAGEEHUM@aol.com
>
> About 15 years ago at Oshkosh I say some balsa stick and paper, rubber
band
> powered Pietenpol model kits for sale. I don't remember who the
manufacturer
> was but the boxes were orange and white as I recall. Does anyone know if
> there is anything like that currently available, and if so, where?
>
> Bob Humbert
> Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle Combs" <dcombs@ltex.net>
I just noticed a primer on parts (aviation) and the price was in the $30's.
It was surplus that had never been installed.
Doyle Combs
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine primer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D. Engelkenjohn"
<wingding@usmo.com>
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
> >
> >Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150?
> >
> Have you tried an aircraft salvage yard yet? All aircraft have them
> in some fashion and I am sure there is not near as much demand for used
> ones as there are used ones available. Surely they are available for
> less than that.
> Dennis the cheapskate, still gasping over that price!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Wayne McIntosh" <mcintosh3017@insightbb.com>
Oscar,
I asked some A&P's why airplanes have primers instead of chokes. After
all every other type of gas engine has a choke except airplanes. The answer
was that not having a choke eliminated the parts of the choke falling off
and getting sucked into the engine. I have fixed cars for over 30 years and
not seen any part of a choke get sucked into an engine, they stake the
little brass screws so they will not fall out. I am looking into using a
Zenith updraft carb from a 60's Allis Chalmers on my Corvair engine. I have
not gotten the carb yet and the biggest venturi they list is 30mm so I am
not sure it would be big enough. Most Zenith carbs have adjustable main
jets. But if this works out I would be able to eliminate the primer (weight,
source of a fuel leak) and be able to start my engine in Indiana in the
winter. If it does not work I will need to get the rest of the tractor.
Wayne McIntosh Lafayette,IN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine primer
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hello again, low 'n' slow fliers;
>
> Since this group seems to be pretty "creative" yet still practical (unlike
> the Fisherman, who was an unsafe scrounger at any speed), here's my
> question.
>
> Do engine primers *really* have to cost $150? I just looked at one in my
> Wicks catalog and was shocked! I realize their importance and the care
that
> goes into their fabrication, etc. etc., but- that would be one of the most
> expensive things in the panel.
>
> Any ideas on a different source for a primer, or-?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Groulx <lgroulx@shaw.ca>
Happy New Year
Looking for 3 view dxf drawing.
Has anyone used 1\4 X 1\4 capstrips on ribs?
I'm following the plans as laid out.
Christavia builder saw ribs, said overbuilt.
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
Hi Oscar
Hi friends
I was running my engine today, just for check the
little Nissan starter, it works very fine, it have in
a reduction that turns the Corvair engine fast, it
start very fast..
About the primer, my engine doesn't have it, the
Marvell carburator works fine, when the engine is
cold, before turn the key to start, i move the throtle
one time to high rpm's and let it on idle (800 rpm's),
and the engine start on the first or second turn, whit
the engine warm it doesn't need the extra fuel, the
engine start very quikly..
Saludos
Javier Cruz
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
They do work, I have used them in my ultralights and light planes for
years (both in 2 and 4 cycle engines), no one has broken yet... The
spare I have is 4 years old in the box. Never used, ready for the next
project.
Is better than the "choke" botton in the Rotax engines...
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> Oscar: I don't know how this will work, but the ultra light folks use
> a
> squeeze bulb primer. it has a check valve and is under 10 bucks. For
> the
> price, I'm going to order one on my nest AS&S order. If it don't
> work,
> I'm not out much. Leon S.
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| Subject: | Re: DXF drawings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ZigoDan@aol.com
Larry,
Yes, the ribs are overbuilt. Early Cub, and Chief ribs were 1/4 x 1/4. In
fact the Grega GN1 can be built with either 1/4 x 1/4 or 1/4 x 1/2. But if
you use 1/4 x1/4 it will not be 100% Pietenpol. Also realize that Pietenpol
cut on the center cut making his ribs slightly less than 1/4 x 1/2.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: engine primer |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
FELICIDADES JAVIER!
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Do not Archive.
--- javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz <javcr@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Oscar
> Hi friends
>
> I was running my engine today, just for check the
> little Nissan starter, it works very fine, it have in
> a reduction that turns the Corvair engine fast, it
> start very fast..
> About the primer, my engine doesn't have it, the
> Marvell carburator works fine, when the engine is
> cold, before turn the key to start, i move the throtle
> one time to high rpm's and let it on idle (800 rpm's),
> and the engine start on the first or second turn, whit
> the engine warm it doesn't need the extra fuel, the
> engine start very quikly..
>
> Saludos
>
> Javier Cruz
>
>
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