Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 01/05/03


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 03:48 PM - had to knock snow off my hanger top (walter evans)
     2. 03:55 PM - wonder how the fisherman is making out (walter evans)
     3. 04:45 PM - Re: wonder how the fisherman is making out (TWINBOOM)
     4. 06:27 PM - Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. (Alex Sloan)
     5. 06:49 PM - Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. (Alex Sloan)
     6. 09:33 PM - Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. (Graham Hansen)
     7. 10:26 PM - Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. (Les Schubert)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:48:49 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    "Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
    Subject: had to knock snow off my hanger top
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Went up yesterday and knocked about 5" of packed snow from the top of my "Cover-it" hanger. but my plane is snug as a bug in it's winter home. Luckily the jump school keeps anticipating jumping weekends , so they plow the runway. That gets me most of the way there. Makes me remember fondly the skis that I made for my old Kolb Ultrastar. Trouble was, you'd fly away on a warmer day, and when you came back, you had to squeeze it into a small area that had snow, all the rest had melted. Don't think it would be the case today though. Spring is right around the corner. Can all who know the dates of fly-ins in the NE (NJ, NY, PA) Post them please. I know last year I missed Warwick , NY. thanks walt NX140DL (north N.J.) PS. How much snow did you get Corky?


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    Time: 03:55:26 PM PST US
    From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: wonder how the fisherman is making out
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Anyone have his web site? walt NX140DL (north N.J.)


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    Time: 04:45:39 PM PST US
    From: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: wonder how the fisherman is making out
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TWINBOOM" <TWINBOOM@msn.com> Walt, Here you go, cayecaulker@justice.com , His name is Ray Auxillo btw. Doug Blackburn Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California Inland Slope Rebels, Riverside Ca. http://inlandsloperebels.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wonder how the fisherman is making out > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net> > > Anyone have his web site? > walt > NX140DL > (north N.J.) > >


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    Time: 06:27:16 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Graham, As promised I went to the work shop today on the way to the monthly EAA Chapter meeting. I weighed my basic fuselage. It is only the two sides glued together with the plywood sides and bottom glued on and fire wall in place. I used the 1/4 inch for the firewall as I did not have the suggested 3/16". 1/8" gussets were used through out. 1" sq. longerons and all other pieces as per plans. All Sitka spruce and birch plywood. I used an accurate set of scales and with help balanced the fuselage on the scales. It weighs 53 lbs. I am in the process of sanding off all glue drips and runs. I will have to wait for it to warm up before doing any more gluing. I am now working on reassembling a Corvair engine and I have a blank glued up to practice carving out a prop. I built a duplicating machine using a Sears router. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> > > Larry, > > In 1970 I built a Pietenpol with a wooden fuselage whch I'm still flying. > Then, > about five years later I built a steel tube fuselage based on the Pietenpol > plans. I increased the size of some members, particularly in the cockpit > area. > > I'm not sure of the numbers anymore, but the weight of the basic frame with- > out fittings was approximately 35 lbs. By the time I added seat supports, > fittings, fairing clips, front pit door structure, etc. it had increased > noticeably. However, I believe it was still below the weight of the wooden > fuselage. How > much I cannot say. > > This airplane had steel tubing tail surfaces which were a bit heavier than > the > wooden ones. I sold the project and it was finished and became a good- > flying Pietenpol with an A65, although its empty weight wound up at about > 660 lbs.(solid, not routed, wing spars made it heavier). I would recommend > that one should stick with the wooden tail surfaces even with a steel > fuselage; they are about as light as it is possible to make them. > > Weight savings of 35 to 40 lbs. from using the steel tubing fuselage seem > too > high because we are talking about the frame only. While I didn't weigh it, > my > basic wood frame fuselage wasn't very heavy either. (Framing was spruce and > I used marine quality 1/8" ply for the sides together with 1/4" marine fir > ply for the floor. Gussets were 1/8" aircraft birch ply.) > > Does anyone out there have the numbers for the basic wood frame? > > Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) > >


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    Time: 06:49:20 PM PST US
    From: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net> Graham, I failed to mention I am building the stretch fuselage. Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> > > Larry, > > In 1970 I built a Pietenpol with a wooden fuselage whch I'm still flying. > Then, > about five years later I built a steel tube fuselage based on the Pietenpol > plans. I increased the size of some members, particularly in the cockpit > area. > > I'm not sure of the numbers anymore, but the weight of the basic frame with- > out fittings was approximately 35 lbs. By the time I added seat supports, > fittings, fairing clips, front pit door structure, etc. it had increased > noticeably. However, I believe it was still below the weight of the wooden > fuselage. How > much I cannot say. > > This airplane had steel tubing tail surfaces which were a bit heavier than > the > wooden ones. I sold the project and it was finished and became a good- > flying Pietenpol with an A65, although its empty weight wound up at about > 660 lbs.(solid, not routed, wing spars made it heavier). I would recommend > that one should stick with the wooden tail surfaces even with a steel > fuselage; they are about as light as it is possible to make them. > > Weight savings of 35 to 40 lbs. from using the steel tubing fuselage seem > too > high because we are talking about the frame only. While I didn't weigh it, > my > basic wood frame fuselage wasn't very heavy either. (Framing was spruce and > I used marine quality 1/8" ply for the sides together with 1/4" marine fir > ply for the floor. Gussets were 1/8" aircraft birch ply.) > > Does anyone out there have the numbers for the basic wood frame? > > Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) > >


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    Time: 09:33:22 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> Alex, Fifty-three pounds for the basic fuselage frame sounds reasonable. Likely the extended fuselage wouldn't weigh much more than the standard short one because the extra wood doesn't weigh much. A friend here has a standard fuselage complete with turtledeck and side fairing strips. Controls and fittings are removed. I'll see if we can weigh it and give the group some more information. Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can dig up the weights of various Pietenpol components which I have around here somewhere. Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN in sunny Alberta, Canada)


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    Time: 10:26:01 PM PST US
    From: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood fuse. vs. tube fuse.
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net> Graham Whereabouts in Sunny Alberta do you live? I would like to see your Piet. Les in Calgary At 10:25 PM 05/01/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> > >Alex, > >Fifty-three pounds for the basic fuselage frame sounds reasonable. >Likely the extended fuselage wouldn't weigh much more than the >standard short one because the extra wood doesn't weigh much. > >A friend here has a standard fuselage complete with turtledeck and >side fairing strips. Controls and fittings are removed. I'll see if we >can weigh it and give the group some more information. > >Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can dig up the weights of various >Pietenpol components which I have around here somewhere. > >Graham (Pietenpol CF-AUN in sunny Alberta, Canada) > >




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