Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:12 AM - fuselage step (John and Susan)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: fuselage step (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 08:14 AM - the Fisherman (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 08:18 AM - cockpit steps (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: cockpit steps (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: the Fisherman (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 10:40 AM - change of email address (Brants)
8. 01:13 PM - well, some of his pages are still around..... (Jim Markle)
9. 02:17 PM - Fisherman (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
10. 02:41 PM - How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (walter evans)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the (Michael D Cuy)
12. 03:26 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
13. 03:30 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (John McNarry)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: well, some of his pages are still around..... (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 04:18 PM - Re: well, some of his pages are still around..... (walter evans)
16. 05:23 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (Graham Hansen)
17. 05:27 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (Michael Conkling)
18. 05:47 PM - Repost of Corona query (ADonJr@aol.com)
19. 05:54 PM - Mud bugs, casinos, tail draggers....... (Jim Markle)
20. 07:44 PM - Details, details (Ted Brousseau)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: Fisherman (Jeffrey Wilcox)
22. 08:14 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (Alex Sloan)
23. 08:36 PM - Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? (John McNarry)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John and Susan" <sjficklen@mchsi.com>
HI Guys; I'm new to this group. I'm building a long fuselage, 3 piece wing,split
axle,Cont A75 powered Aircamper so ya,ll will here me whining from time to
time.I am about50-60% there. Need some ideas about a fuselage step to get my tired
ass in the seat. I'm in the Fla. panhandle
Cheers;
John Ficklen
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage step |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
New Pieter,
I installed a "step" to assist ingressing the pit. It is a 5/8 4130 tube
about 12" inside the fuse lieing on the ash member under the seat. A hole
drilled in the ply. Two holes drilled to accept bolting to ash. About 6
inches of pipe is exposed for the foot. Two washers are welded to position
the foot. A simpleminded man can devise a simple solution.
Don't forget those extra wing tanks and ping pong balls for distance and
floatation if you want to join out crusade in 04.
Corky in La triming the borders of his charts
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Walt was wondering how the Fisherman's project was coming along. I went
back through the archives to find websites where he had posted progress
photos and info, but none of the links work.
Looks like he may have gone back to Belize...
Oscar Zuniga (do not archive)
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
John asks about a step to help get into and out of the cockpit. There are
some pictures of Ernie Moreno's Piet on my website, at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html and especially the photo at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine01.jpg that show the little step that
Ernie's plane has. This one places all the load on the gear leg and not the
fuselage structure. I think Corky's plane also has a step of some sort (was
it a section of tube that pulls out, Corky?)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit steps |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
It's a section of tube but it doesn't pull. Just sticks out for a good step
and some added drag.
Corky in La calculating drag, floatation and fuel consumptation above 12K.
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| Subject: | Re: the Fisherman |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
The crusaders will inquire about him as we go through in 04 and make a report
to the net.
Corky in La installing a shoulder harness in the front pit.
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"Tim Brant" <timbrant@rocketmail.com>,
"Scott Ripley" <captainpirahna@yahoo.com>,
"Ron Becwar" <becwar75@yahoo.com>, "Ron & Kim Becwar" <kimb@alpinecom.net>,
pietenpol-list@matronics.com, mtwirth@attbi.com,
"Mom and Dad Brant" <rmbrant@uschristian.net>,
"Kevin P. Olson" <kpo@centerlineflight.com>, jmripley@genesiscc.org,
"Jill White" <jillybean135@juno.com>,
"Jennifer S Ripley" <jennrip@regent.edu>,
"Jamison Cockerham" <jcockerham@thedoor.org>,
"Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@startribune.com>,
"Dave Brant" <dbrant@mn.rr.com>, "Daniel Kallberg" <dkallberg@msn.com>,
"Dan Brant" <dpbrant@speakeasy.net>,
"connie walker" <connieinwi@hotmail.com>,
"...annette" <brissebunch@earthlink.net>
| Subject: | change of email address |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brants" <tmbrant@uswest.net>
Everyone:
we have changed our email address to tmbrant@usfamily.net
please update your address books.
thanks,
Tom and Michelle
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| Subject: | well, some of his pages are still around..... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
the fisherman, that is....
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/retired/pietpage5.html
I'm not saying you SHOULD access this particular web page, hey, enter at your
own risk!! :-)
Too bad Corky's Piet isn't here.....he and I could fly to Austin together
tomorrow (and Thursday) for the day (would that be fun, or what?) instead of
me having to RENT a plane.....arghhhh.....
Jim in Plano....
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Please don't encourage this guy or he will be back. Let the Home Depot
lawyers check his web sight. Leon S. Do not archive.
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| Subject: | How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
My winter project was going to be putting a compass( which I already have), airspeed
and altimeter in the front hole. But I'm torn both ways. Do the people
you take for rides get a kick out of , or really use, the instruments?
If the plane is used for your BFR, should you have these in? Do you HAVE to have
them in?
Either way I'll put in the compass.
Guess what I asking, is for the guys that have been flying the Piet for years,
Do you have them, or would you consider them completely useless.
thanks
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
ps maybe best to put my money into ping-pong balls
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front hole?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Walt---my CFI gives me a BFR with NO instruments in the front
cockpit. Even the F-18 pilot I took for a ride last September said it was
refreshing to just use the horizon and airplane for visual reference. When
I let people fly from the front (once leveled off in cruise) they are
having too much fun to care about instruments. (except the IFR
guys:) Personally I to have instruments in the front you are paying to
carry added weight for 95% of the time for nothing.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Walt,
Are you hinting you might sign on as another crusader??????????????????????
Corky, you know where, w/o snowballs
Do not archive
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| Subject: | How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Been thinking about cockpit layout lately. I can read my tach and Airspeed
indicator easily form where I'm sitting, they are on the shelf about five
feet away. Why not mount the basic instruments at either side of the front
cockpit in small nacelle type blisters so they can be seen from both
cockpits. Then my bifocals wouldn't matter either;-)
John
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walter
evans
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you have instruments in the front
hole?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
My winter project was going to be putting a compass( which I already have),
airspeed and altimeter in the front hole. But I'm torn both ways. Do the
people you take for rides get a kick out of , or really use, the
instruments?
If the plane is used for your BFR, should you have these in? Do you HAVE to
have them in?
Either way I'll put in the compass.
Guess what I asking, is for the guys that have been flying the Piet for
years, Do you have them, or would you consider them completely useless.
thanks
walt
NX140DL
(north N.J.)
ps maybe best to put my money into ping-pong balls
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| Subject: | Re: well, some of his pages are still around..... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
Jim,
Why don't you hop a cassino bus to Shv $10, give me your eta, we'll go to
Lucien, check you out on 41CC, bring your Memphis, Houston, Dal-FtW and San
Ant sectionals and take a heading. Then you won't have to rent anything.
Can't beat a deal like that. Only available to Pieters.
Corky looking for some old National Geographic maps of the western hemi.
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| Subject: | Re: well, some of his pages are still around..... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Hey Jim,
Sound like a great deal to me!
Now for eats,,,I smell Gumbo.
Mud Bugs are your friend.
walt
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: well, some of his pages are still around.....
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Jim,
> Why don't you hop a cassino bus to Shv $10, give me your eta, we'll go to
> Lucien, check you out on 41CC, bring your Memphis, Houston, Dal-FtW and
San
> Ant sectionals and take a heading. Then you won't have to rent anything.
> Can't beat a deal like that. Only available to Pieters.
> Corky looking for some old National Geographic maps of the western hemi.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
John,
Some old airplanes had instruments mounted in blisters, as you suggest. One
could place the blisters forward on the underside of the center section,
where they can be seen from both pits. Sure, they will add some drag---but
then a Pietenpol isn't exactly streamlined, either.
And some old aircraft (Fokker and Ford airplanes?) with three engines had
engine gauges mounted on the inboard side of the wing-mounted engine
nacelles. This shortened lines, etc. and simplified things.
My Piet has instruments in the rear panel only. For a time I had a vane type
ASI (similar to the one used on DH Moths) mounted on the left forward
jury strut for anyone flying from the front. It worked fine.
Graham Hansen (CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" <hpvs@southwind.net>
Walt,
I seem to remember my instructor being able to cover up the airspeed &
altimeter with his hands in the Cub -- the A/S was left of center & the
altimeter was on the right side of the panel. Should be easier to fly by
sound in a Piet -- more wires whistling in the wind!!
Ernst Udet had a his instruments mounted in a windshield shaped panel
(outside of the cockpit) so he didn't need to look in the cockpit of his
1931 U-12 "Flamingo"!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you have instruments in the front hole?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> My winter project was going to be putting a compass( which I already
have), airspeed and altimeter in the front hole. But I'm torn both ways.
Do the people you take for rides get a kick out of , or really use, the
instruments?
> If the plane is used for your BFR, should you have these in? Do you HAVE
to have them in?
> Either way I'll put in the compass.
> Guess what I asking, is for the guys that have been flying the Piet for
years, Do you have them, or would you consider them completely useless.
> thanks
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
> ps maybe best to put my money into ping-pong balls
>
>
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| Subject: | Repost of Corona query |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ADonJr@aol.com
Group,
A few years ago, 1999, I think, there was a Piet fly-in at Corona
sometime in April. Is there one on for this year? California Piet
enthusiasts are curious.
Thanx, Don Cooley
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| Subject: | Mud bugs, casinos, tail draggers....... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Good grief!!! Sounds like a great deal to me too!!!!!OK, I lived in Southern Louisiana
for a while so I'm checked out on mud bugs (I know where the good stuff
is and will GLADLY suck it out)....I'm checked out in Casinos (just so this
message won't be off topic, when I started to go to the Benton Fly in a few months
ago, the weather turned miserable so I stopped at a Casino in Tulsa for a
few hours, came out about $600 ahead......)But I'm not checked out in Tail Draggers!!!!!
I may just go do it before summer.....I've printed out Corky's offer
and will keep it for when I AM checked out in tail draggers.....Only available
for Pieters? I'll think I'll stay a Pieter!Messages like this make me want
to run out into the garage and get to work!!!Jim in Plano......(just finished
brazing up some fluting pliers, FINALLY decided on a fuel tank design and fuel
line routing/valve location (which means the one I put together with 26ga
galv sheet metal is scrap but it's a quick build, just figured out how I want
to do the front cabane/firewall diagonal brace and generally having more fun than
should be allowed)--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Hey Jim,
Sound like a great deal to me!
Now for eats,,,I smell Gumbo.
Mud Bugs are your friend.
walt
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <Isablcorky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: well, some of his pages are still around.....
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com
>
> Jim,
> Why don't you hop a cassino bus to Shv $10, give me your eta, we'll go to
> Lucien, check you out on 41CC, bring your Memphis, Houston, Dal-FtW and
San
> Ant sectionals and take a heading. Then you won't have to rent anything.
> Can't beat a deal like that. Only available to Pieters.
> Corky looking for some old National Geographic maps of the western hemi.
>
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| Subject: | Details, details |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I was wondering how those of you who put the about 1 inch wide curved
stiffener on the panels on top of the fuselage (did I describe that
correctly?) did it?
It looks from the pics that the stiffener is attached to the back of the
panel but it looks so perfectly round. I don't think I could get it that
nicely aligned while the glue dried without a hint as how it is done. Jigs?
Thanks, Ted
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Wilcox" <craigwilcox@peoplepc.com>
I still hear from him from time to time, mostly rambling on.
In his last msg to me, he stated he had bought a cheap MIG unit from Home
Depot, and was using it to weld up his steel parts. Don't know what he
plans to do about normalizing . . . .
His "airframe" is still sitting under the mango tree, getting ripe.
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| Subject: | Re: How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Graham,
I am curious in asking why you removed the vane type "ASI".
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you have instruments in the front
hole?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen"
<grhans@cable-lynx.net>
>
> John,
>
> Some old airplanes had instruments mounted in blisters, as you suggest.
One
> could place the blisters forward on the underside of the center section,
> where they can be seen from both pits. Sure, they will add some drag---but
> then a Pietenpol isn't exactly streamlined, either.
>
> And some old aircraft (Fokker and Ford airplanes?) with three engines had
> engine gauges mounted on the inboard side of the wing-mounted engine
> nacelles. This shortened lines, etc. and simplified things.
>
> My Piet has instruments in the rear panel only. For a time I had a vane
type
> ASI (similar to the one used on DH Moths) mounted on the left forward
> jury strut for anyone flying from the front. It worked fine.
>
> Graham Hansen (CF-AUN)
>
>
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| Subject: | How many of you have instruments in the front hole? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Mike
Another idea might be to close in the front pit and zip up a tonneau cover
to your flying togs.
Would keep the wind right out and with the instruments outside behind their
own little windshield
you could tolerate flying in colder weather.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Conkling
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How many of you have instruments in the
front hole?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling"
<hpvs@southwind.net>
Walt,
I seem to remember my instructor being able to cover up the airspeed &
altimeter with his hands in the Cub -- the A/S was left of center & the
altimeter was on the right side of the panel. Should be easier to fly by
sound in a Piet -- more wires whistling in the wind!!
Ernst Udet had a his instruments mounted in a windshield shaped panel
(outside of the cockpit) so he didn't need to look in the cockpit of his
1931 U-12 "Flamingo"!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: "walter evans" <wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How many of you have instruments in the front hole?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans"
<wbeevans@worldnet.att.net>
>
> My winter project was going to be putting a compass( which I already
have), airspeed and altimeter in the front hole. But I'm torn both ways.
Do the people you take for rides get a kick out of , or really use, the
instruments?
> If the plane is used for your BFR, should you have these in? Do you HAVE
to have them in?
> Either way I'll put in the compass.
> Guess what I asking, is for the guys that have been flying the Piet for
years, Do you have them, or would you consider them completely useless.
> thanks
> walt
> NX140DL
> (north N.J.)
> ps maybe best to put my money into ping-pong balls
>
>
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