---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/11/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:30 AM - Re: Rib Diagonal (walter evans) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: Continental 65 (Jack Phillips) 3. 08:19 AM - Vertical stabilizer (TomTravis@aol.com) 4. 11:31 AM - Re: Vertical stabilizer (walter evans) 5. 02:11 PM - Re: Continental 65 (Les Schubert) 6. 02:53 PM - Re: Wicker seats (D.Dale Johnson) 7. 03:11 PM - Phase I Completed. (Isablcorky@aol.com) 8. 03:26 PM - Re: Phase I Completed. (Christian Bobka) 9. 05:03 PM - Re: Phase I Completed. (TomTravis@aol.com) 10. 07:04 PM - Re: Phase I Completed. (Cy Galley) 11. 07:26 PM - Re: Phase I Completed. (walter evans) 12. 08:00 PM - Re: Phase I Completed. (Alex Sloan) 13. 08:37 PM - Re: Vertical stabilizer (John Dilatush) 14. 10:36 PM - White Ash (rod wooller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:03 AM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Diagonal --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Rick, Yes, the brace is in two pieces, and after setting both (top and bottom) , all gusseted including the cross, it's as if the one goes through the other. Least thats how I did mine. walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Diagonal > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Schreiber > > Received my plans set from Don Pietenpol as a Christmas present from my > wife, and have placed my first wood order with Aircraft Spruce. I plan > on starting with the wing ribs. I have one question about the extra > diagonal brace at the rear of the outboard ribs. The plans show this > extra brace crossing the existing brace. Is this brace in two pieces > above and below the last diagonal brace? If so does it get plywood > gussets for strength. > > Thanks, > > Rick > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:18 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental 65 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Hi Les, I'm sure it could have been done cheaper, but my costs were as follows: Basic Engine (rebuildable Core) $1,500 Millenium Cylinders (original cylinders were worn beyond the limits) $3,350 (New cylinders come with new pistons, rings, valves, valve seats, rocker shafts and piston pins) Overhauled crankcase $575 Overhauled crankshaft, connecting rods, rocker arms, oil pump $975 (crank was reground .010 undersize and magnafluxed) New camshaft, cam followers $750 New Slick Magnetos, after rebate $835 Total $7,985 A boatload of money, but then I have essentially a brand new engine to show for it. I expect to get at least 1800 hours out of this engine. The Millenium cylinders are better than the originals in a number of ways, such as improved heat rejection (better fin design), choked bore, better steel, etc. I weighed all the reciprocating parts before assembly and mixed and matched them to make the weights as even as possible between the cylinders and found that the Millenium pistons all weighed within 0.5 grams of each other. The Continental pistons were within about 2 grams each. I considered having the old cylinders re-worked, but they were made in 1945 and I have no logs on the engine, so I have no idea how many hours they had on them. They were not in real bad shape, but they were worn to the point that any honing would take them past the limits. I decided that I would rather bite the bullet and buy new cylinders rather than put a lot of money into 58 year old parts. Jack -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert I am curious as to how much some of these A65 continental overhauls have cost I am just getting started on a Piet project and am trying to figure what the engine is going to cost to get it right. I assume that the guys who have done these overhauls recently can give the rest of a idea of the cost. Chuck and the rest of you: one thing about the hard chrome cylinders you should know. Hard Chrome is porous and provides NO additional corrosion protection. The fact is in some circumstances it is worse for corrosion resistance. So keep your cylinders oiled and if you are storing in a humid climate (relative humidity over 50% average) then take special fogging precautions over the winter. For those of us who live in a arid climate we don't generally have this problem. Les form sunny dry Alberta ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:08 AM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stabilizer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com Has anyone offset their vertical stabilizer or are you just aligning it with the certerline of the fuselage? Thanks, Tom Travis ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:48 AM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stabilizer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Tom, I built mine right in the center (long fuselage with A-65), and in my few hours flown so far (3.5), seems to fly beautifully hands off without any bad roll or yaw. walt evans ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stabilizer > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com > > Has anyone offset their vertical stabilizer or are you just aligning it with > the certerline of the fuselage? > > Thanks, > > Tom Travis > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:51 PM PST US From: Les Schubert Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental 65 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert Jack I appreciate the candid response. It agrees with the numbers I had been by some people but those were just off the cuff numbers. Yours at least are real. Again thank you for the info. Les At 07:37 AM 11/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > >Hi Les, > >I'm sure it could have been done cheaper, but my costs were as follows: > >Basic Engine (rebuildable >Core) >$1,500 >Millenium Cylinders (original cylinders were worn beyond the limits) >$3,350 > (New cylinders come with new pistons, rings, valves, valve seats, > rocker >shafts and piston pins) >Overhauled >crankcase >$575 >Overhauled crankshaft, connecting rods, rocker arms, oil >pump $975 > (crank was reground .010 undersize and magnafluxed) >New camshaft, cam >followers >$750 >New Slick Magnetos, after >rebate >$835 > >Total >$7,985 > >A boatload of money, but then I have essentially a brand new engine to show >for it. I expect to get at least 1800 hours out of this engine. The >Millenium cylinders are better than the originals in a number of ways, such >as improved heat rejection (better fin design), choked bore, better steel, >etc. I weighed all the reciprocating parts before assembly and mixed and >matched them to make the weights as even as possible between the cylinders >and found that the Millenium pistons all weighed within 0.5 grams of each >other. The Continental pistons were within about 2 grams each. > >I considered having the old cylinders re-worked, but they were made in 1945 >and I have no logs on the engine, so I have no idea how many hours they had >on them. They were not in real bad shape, but they were worn to the point >that any honing would take them past the limits. I decided that I would >rather bite the bullet and buy new cylinders rather than put a lot of money >into 58 year old parts. > >Jack > > > -----Original Message----- >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert > >I am curious as to how much some of these A65 continental overhauls have >cost >I am just getting started on a Piet project and am trying to figure what >the engine >is going to cost to get it right. I assume that the guys who have done these >overhauls recently can give the rest of a idea of the cost. >Chuck and the rest of you: one thing about the hard chrome cylinders you >should >know. Hard Chrome is porous and provides NO additional corrosion protection. >The fact is in some circumstances it is worse for corrosion resistance. So >keep your >cylinders oiled and if you are storing in a humid climate (relative >humidity over 50% >average) then take special fogging precautions over the winter. For those >of us who >live in a arid climate we don't generally have this problem. >Les form sunny dry Alberta > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wicker seats From: "D.Dale Johnson" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "D.Dale Johnson" Hi Don I made wicker back rest in our Pete. Got the book & material from the Woodworker's Supply. It was fun and looks good. Give it a try. Dale. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:28 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, My test pilot, Mr Edwin Johnson, completed the 25 hrs today at 4:15 CDT. Talk about a fridgid digit, he was one. They are forcasting snow flurries here tonight. I think he was up there looking for some. Ole 41CC now has logged 25:06 minutes of trouble free time. Tomorrow we are changing props from a metal McCaully 71 48 to a Flotrop wood 74 50. Does anyone have a torque figure for tightening prop bolts on wooden props? We think the climb and cruise will improve on the A-65. Corky in La with the heat ON ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:35 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" Corky, Try poking around at http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/install/installation.html The theory is there. How is Isabelle? Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com Pieters, My test pilot, Mr Edwin Johnson, completed the 25 hrs today at 4:15 CDT. Talk about a fridgid digit, he was one. They are forcasting snow flurries here tonight. I think he was up there looking for some. Ole 41CC now has logged 25:06 minutes of trouble free time. Tomorrow we are changing props from a metal McCaully 71 48 to a Flotrop wood 74 50. Does anyone have a torque figure for tightening prop bolts on wooden props? We think the climb and cruise will improve on the A-65. Corky in La with the heat ON ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:08 PM PST US From: TomTravis@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com Corky, Congratulations on the 25 hours! Hope you stay warm over there in SHV. Tom ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:50 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Go to the Sensenich prop site http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/install/installation.html For full instructions. Note that if your use a torque wrench the specs are in INCH/pounds and depends on the bolt diameter. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Pieters, > My test pilot, Mr Edwin Johnson, completed the 25 hrs today at 4:15 CDT. Talk > about a fridgid digit, he was one. They are forcasting snow flurries here > tonight. I think he was up there looking for some. Ole 41CC now has logged > 25:06 minutes of trouble free time. > Tomorrow we are changing props from a metal McCaully 71 48 to a Flotrop wood > 74 50. Does anyone have a torque figure for tightening prop bolts on wooden > props? We think the climb and cruise will improve on the A-65. > Corky in La with the heat ON > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:23 PM PST US From: "walter evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walter evans" Corky, Great!!! Guess we're both going to get to phase II in the spring of '03. Just that your spring is about 3 months ahead of our spring. Sport Pilot AND spring is just around the corner. Corky,,,All the best to you and yours. walt evans sitting here looking at the short red line. That only comes up to 18 deg F on mister thermometer, with 5 inches of residual snow in the area. but I did visit my Piet, and it's still as snug as a bug. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Pieters, > My test pilot, Mr Edwin Johnson, completed the 25 hrs today at 4:15 CDT. Talk > about a fridgid digit, he was one. They are forcasting snow flurries here > tonight. I think he was up there looking for some. Ole 41CC now has logged > 25:06 minutes of trouble free time. > Tomorrow we are changing props from a metal McCaully 71 48 to a Flotrop wood > 74 50. Does anyone have a torque figure for tightening prop bolts on wooden > props? We think the climb and cruise will improve on the A-65. > Corky in La with the heat ON > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:04 PM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" Corky, I use 14-16 ft. lbs. on my Aymar-Demuth as per their directions. Just be sure to not crush it. Track and shim with paper shims as necessary. My bolts are 3/8" Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase I Completed. > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Isablcorky@aol.com > > Pieters, > My test pilot, Mr Edwin Johnson, completed the 25 hrs today at 4:15 CDT. Talk > about a fridgid digit, he was one. They are forcasting snow flurries here > tonight. I think he was up there looking for some. Ole 41CC now has logged > 25:06 minutes of trouble free time. > Tomorrow we are changing props from a metal McCaully 71 48 to a Flotrop wood > 74 50. Does anyone have a torque figure for tightening prop bolts on wooden > props? We think the climb and cruise will improve on the A-65. > Corky in La with the heat ON > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:35 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stabilizer --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stabilizer ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tom, I offset the leading edge of my vertical fin 1" to the left. This combined with a down and right thrust of the engine of about 1" worked out just right. Going to see Herb this next monday or tue of next week. John +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TomTravis@aol.com > > Has anyone offset their vertical stabilizer or are you just aligning it with > the certerline of the fuselage? > > Thanks, > > Tom Travis > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:06 PM PST US From: "rod wooller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" Group, I am nearly ready to join the two fuselage sides together and note that the plans call for two floor cross-braces of white ash where the landing gear locates. ( I will be using the cub style gear ). I can't find a supplier of white ash locally and was wondering if there are alternatives that can be used successfully. ( I can get oak and native hardwoods). Thanks, Rod Wooller Chidlow Australia The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*